MI - Updates On Stanley Case-2008

[the bumblebug]

Chicogirl36.
Certainly if they had sex that evening it would go a long way towards dispelling any notion that Erin and James were not getting a long. I don't thing most people kill their partners after sex...we are not praying mantises you know. Additionally, had Erin actually died outside the room and somehow made it back to bed there might have been some DNA or other items like fibers etc. that might have transferred to the bottom sheet. Remember, Erin had a contusion on the side of her head as well as evidence that she had been strangled. Someone could have smacked her in such a way that she fell and hit her head on a piece of furniture etc. and died and then picked her up and placed her in the bed next to a sleeping James. In this case all types of things might have transferred. Let's not forget it's believe the Stanleys either threw out the blanket and top sheet or burned them. They also took the top mattress to the local dump about a month after her death. Needless the say the police did not ask them to preserve the mattress. I wondered if they looked at furniture in the house or molding etc. to see if their were blood spots. There is a lot more that I haven't posted but that it for now. This might end up being my last post for some time. It is probable that I may have the enter the hospital later this week and be out for an unknown period of time. Needless to say I hope someone will keep posting keeping an objective point of view and looking at the evidence. I did notice on the Paladium Item site that there was a post essentially saying they those either one or both of the parents were involved. I wasn't there so I can't say but I find it interesting that a comment like that has finally come out. Thanks for all the support on this site and keep me in your prayers over the next few days or weeks. Take care

 

[Chicogirl36]

Thanks for the clarification BB- I need to go back and read up- I dont remember anything about a cotusion on her head- i just remember the strangulation marks and bruising- My bad- I apologize for any confusion-

That does shed a different light- I was thinking even if they didnt have sex that night, they have in th past obviously,and we have learned from the Stiles case that DNA can stay on sheets after having been laundered. Let me back to your orig question after I re-read some posts from the beginning (I thought I knew all the details,...lol)

 

[the bumblebug]

Chicogirl36
There was a lot said in the bond hearing that never made it into the paper. I believe I either heard it or saw it somewhere where they did have sex that night. Assuming that were true, how would that affect your feeling about the case.

 

[Chicogirl36]

Chicogirl36
There was a lot said in the bond hearing that never made it into the paper. I believe I either heard it or saw it somewhere where they did have sex that night. Assuming that were true, how would that affect your feeling about the case.

If that is the prosecuting atty , I would say that they had rough sex, did that passing out/choking thing that people do during sex (sorry, dont know the name of it- but fairly popular, sadly), and it went too far. Ahh- I thinks its auto-erotic something? Anyways, I would say that maybe they got carried away during that and it went wrong- Mom and dad admittingly had quite a few drinks each that night and didnt hear a thing. IMHO, they were probably sleeping pretty well during it- also, the dog didnt bark, so that wouldnt set off any alarms- I know when my hubby and I were first married, when visiting my parents, we waited till they were good and sleepy till we did it, and I can still remember how scared I was to get caught...lol).

With that said, it sounds quite plausible that this could have happened. I was going to post a defense side, but I will probably do so in my closing sentences. The more I think about what I just said, it very well could be true. I did go back and couldnt find anything in the threads, but I couldnt find the autopsy report. I admit, i was a lil/lot dazed after looking thru this whole freaking forum, but I didnt see it. I swear, I wouldnt be surprised if that was mis-handled also.
As for defending it, I know its probably not legal, but maybe can argue down to manslaughter and say that it was sexually related. Im not sure how many cases like this have been tried/won, and wouldnt know the first place to look either, but Im sure there have been some, if not quite a few. Regardless the time of sex, the sheet WILL contain both of their DNA even if they didnt have sex THAT night- it would explain all the loose ends IMO (everyone getting along, parents 'passed out' from heavy drinking-didnt hear the sex btw, Erin prob didnt scream due to having sex next to parents room and waking the baby, no struggle (except if head contusion is correct,and with this PD, NOTHING surprises me any longer), dog not barking, no sign of outside intruder (who would NOT go into her room and be able to strangle her w/o James waking), etc,etc,etc.......
You know, it bothers me very much that this young man is jailed and CHARGED with such crime with the lack of evidence, and the evidence they do have, is so flimsy, Im surprised it has stood up this long-but is pretty much paper thin.
When you really think about it, as we have, its a travesty to both sides involved- I think its not right to charge him with what they have with what evidence they don't have. Dont need to repeat it all, we all are aware-unfortunately.
I think its sad for her family to have lost half of their family in less than a week. Poor baby Alexis will have learn about mommy and auntie from her grandparents- God bless her heart-Mom and Dad seemed to do well raising two nice girls who people had nothing but nice things to say about both of them. This whole case is horrible no matter which side of the fence you are on. I know James has a pretty rough past, but i hope he someone in his corner when/if he is ever released?

BB- I was just thinking- Is the bond hearing over yet? I havent heard, but at the same time, cant fathom the PI boards, and havent read there unless you direct me to a certain post :blowkiss: I want to also thank you for keeping this case going- There were so many people on it in the beginning, as we were all interested in this tragedy. You have devoted a lot of time and dedication, and I thank you for that- I appreciate you keeping us non-locals up to date on the local news/case details. Good luck on your project- Do you start now, or after the trial is over, btw- I understand if you cant answer/too personal- I apologize in advance, if so.

 

[the bumblebug]

Chicogirl36
1. I would recommend that you look at the last few days of posts in the Pal Item under forums which I think is now under comments and opinions.
2. There are no winners in this case. I found it very interesting thsat in the bond hearing neither Mr. or Mrs. Stanley had anything particularly bad to say about James. They said that they had talked with him earlier about making sure he had a job and could support his family. They even testified that the following evening that they were going to lend him their car so he could report to a new job he had just landed just across the line in Ohio. For this reason I don't think they would have been upsat about his job situation since he had just landed a new job.
3. Like you I am concerned about the charge. I think this was truly a rush to judgment because the prosecutor was getting heat from the public to arrest somebody. Regardless of what happened that night I feel pretty sure that he is either completely innocent or at least he has been charged with the wrong offense. If it were rough sex or an accident I would thing negligent homicide would have been the appropriate charge. If that had been the charge I image that he would have already been out of jail for time served. Since he is fighting the charge and still saying he is innocent, I can only presume that he didn't do it. I got a few day respect and don't have to go in for my heart cath until Monday. Take Care and I try to back with everyone after I get over whatever they are going to do to me.

 

[the bumblebug]

Chicogirl36. Yes the bond hearing is over. I will have to wait until I have heart surgery probably sometime this week or next before I can continue on the case study. While I am recuperating I hope to have a lot of time to examine the case from several different perspectives.

 

[Taximom]

bumblebug, I will keep you in my prayers! I hope everything goes well. Thank you for all the updates, especially with what you have going on in your personal life. :blowkiss:

 

[the bumblebug]

Thanks for the prayers. I'll try to keep up on the case as soon as I get home from the hospital. This case deserves a lot of attention especially with respect the the facts or lack thereof. I think it is quite telling that the Stanleys didn't have anything particularly bad to say about James. I also have a very difficult time believe Kelly's death was a result of seizures. I wonder if the police checked the house to see if the small contusion on Erin's head left a mark that could be matched to a particular piece of furniture in the household. I understand that jury selection starts June 11th but I doubt I will be able to attend so close to the time I expect to be out of the hospital. I would appreciate it if HAWG or some other local resident would attend so they could keep us all up to date. Hope to see you soon

 

[HAWG]

I am going to try to make it to the jury trial but I have alot of extras going on right now and I will try to keep everyone informed as much as possible, You are right this case deserves alot of attention especially since they have not done a good job so far.
Bumblebug, I wish you well and a speedy recovery. I will let Ashley know what is going on Im sure she will send her prayers. See you soon!!!

 

[the bumblebug]

HAWG
Thanks so much for posting the above comment. The surgery will be in about two weeks because they want me to participate in a very important clinical study that few people fit the parameters for. I don't know whether the 14 day wait is good or bad but if it will help someone later and I am in a position to do it since I am semi-retired then I guess I should do it Thanks for telling Ashley and I hope she and her new family are doing well. Someday, I would like to see a picture of Haley if you can post one. The last time I saw her she was between the twilight zone and a nap. I think you know that all in all I have tried to be fair with my post but of course I am concerned about James getting a fair deal. Local law enforcement's inability to collect evidence, test it, process it or accurately report it has me more than confused. I just hope something shows up that clearly demonstrates what happened either way. HAWG what is your sense of the mood in Richmond, Centerville, Cambridge City and Wayne
County in general. Is pretty much everyone getting tired of this case. I know I am.
Take Care and I'll try to learn as much as I can within the next two weeks and get it posted. thanks Again

 

[HAWG]

bumblebug
I was involved in a drunk driving accident in Richmond in 91 and the drunk driver only served 6 hours in jail and was released he was sentenced to 8 months on house arrest and it was a vehicular man slaughter. It was a good friend of mine and I dont think justice was served at all. I moved away in 2000 and I really dont go home much because of gas prices and not much left there for me other than family on the holidays. From what I have gathered it hasent changed much. LOL I think the people are some what angery about it and the way it was investigated. My Mom had told me that alot of people have commented on the way it was handeld.
Best wishes to you and to James. I will see what I can do about the pictures.

 

[the bumblebug]

Thanks for you kind response. I fully understand that you would not want to post pictures of Haley on the net. I hope I didn't leave that impression that I wanted you to post them. I suppose for the next 14 days I will be trying to understand this case better. Often, I ask myself how we got here. I do not want anything but justice in this matter. If someone commits a crime I think they should be convicted on evidence and not a hunch. Also if they did something wrong I think it is reasonable to expect that the individual be tried for the right crime. I believe James was arrest and charged for strangling Erin when many still believed that two sisters and been killed within six days of each other and a serial killer was on the loose. In reality, as it has turned out we don't have two sisters dead from similar causes as the papers said early on. We have one young woman dead and I believe most most people feel there is a lot of doubt as to what happened. This whole matter needs to be reexamined in a different light. I think only then will be get at the truth.

 

[Chicogirl36]

Bumblebug-
Please do all you can to try and forget this case for the next couple weeks and concentrate on your recovery. I didnt realize it was so soon. I wish you well my friend :blowkiss:. I know you have a lot of time invested in this case, but you have even more invested in yourself.

You will have all the time in the world to contemplate the facts later-

Take care of yourself- God Bless

Chicogirl36

 

[pooky169]

Best wishes to you Bumblebug on your surgery and recovery. You are doing a great service here and trying to help this case.
You take care of yourself and we can handle it til you return!!!!
Prayers for you!!!

 

[Littledeer]

Bumblebug:

Adding my prayers also for a successful surgery and a rapid recovery!!! Right now, you are the most important.

I'm sure HAWG can keep us updated and pooky and others will see that this case does not die away.

Take care and wishing you the best!!! :blowkiss:

 

[the bumblebug]

Thanks to all for the kind words and best wishes. Actually, when one finds himself with ill health a lot of things come into better perspective. My first battle with ill health was 19 years ago. There is an old saying that "there is something wrong in Denmark" (I suspect from Hamlet) that truly applies to this case. The lead investigator said the defendant was arrested because it was just common sense. It just might turn out that "common sense" as applied to the nature and magnitude of the investigation might set the defendant free. The uneven treatment of the defendant in this case as compared to other potential suspects might reveal a bias so great that a true defense is being denied to the defendant. Just another thought for everyone to ponder. If Kelly thought James killed Erin why is there no documentation of an interview with her that validates her beliefs as to who killed Erin. This leads me to believe that Kelly did not believe Erin was killed by the defendant. I suspect that Kelly told someone that she thought James was not responsible and that there is evidence out there that confirms her belief. I think I see a Perry Mason moment coming here. Tune in again...same bat time....same bat place

 

[miss_vegemite]

bumblebug - i want to wish you the very best of luck for your upcoming surgery and good health afterwards.

Also, thanks for keeping us updated regularly.

 

[the bumblebug]

Because of the study I mentioned earlier, the surgery is now scheduled for June 3rd. Any thoughts on my comments in my last posting. If the rationale is faulty please let me know. I am willing to examine any and all ideas about this case. Take care and I'll keep digging for the next week or so.

 

[SewingDeb]

Bumblebug, wishing you a successful surgery and speedy recovery.

This case is still a mystery to me. You made a good point about there being no statements from Kelly saying she believed he killed her sister.

 

[the bumblebug]

SewingDeb

It makes you wonder about what other potential pieces of evidence might have been missed or pitched. During an investigation, it is just standard practice to document every interview in case the witness later has an accident or just passes away. Thanks for your well wishes also.