Found Deceased MI - Venus Stewart, 32, Colon, 28 April 2010 - # 2 *D. Stewart guilty*

[thinkaboutthis]

Well, I think it would be pretty easy to trace the phone records from where the call was placed whether by landline or mobile phone.

That's why I asked the question. The parents said he ALWAYS called, NEVER MISSED A CALL, until the night she disappeared and that he always called at 8pm.

So if it can be proven he was calling from Virginia on Sunday night at 8pm, that makes the timeline that was available for this to happen extremely unlikely.

So the scenario is he hangs up with his kids at say 8:30pm on Sunday night, drives 10-11 hours conservatively (after likely being awake all day on Sunday) just in time to arrive at the parent's home, she walks out five minutes later to mail a letter, he grabs her, does whatever he does with her, puts her somewhere that nobody can find, and drives 10-11 hours home all under the radar?[/QUOTE]

BBM. I guess we need to know if the call on Sunday was from his home phone or from a cell phone. If it was from his cell, he could have been 5 minutes away from Venus's home.

And if he was on a cell phone 5 minutes from Venus' house don't you think LE would have known that within hours of this investigation beginning? Nor would they be reporting that he has 2 solid alibi witnesses in Virginia. The cell phone pings would cancel out the witnesses. IMO

 

[cluciano63]

ps- not another case like Ron Cummings when no one will say when/if he was at work...please...

 

[panthera]

I was thinking payphone , they still exist in some places ...lol

Few and far between and he'd need a lot of change but then again, the call wouldn't be on his cell phone records and he'd have to explain that to LE and prove he wasn't on his way to Michigan! MOO

 

[Searchfortruth]

And if he was on a cell phone 5 minutes from Venus' house don't you think LE would have known that within hours of this investigation beginning? Nor would they be reporting that he has 2 solid alibi witnesses in Virginia. The cell phone pings would cancel out the witnesses. IMO

IIRC, LE has said that he is a POI and that his alibi witnesses check out for now. Doug said his alibi witnesses were "solid" when he spoke to a reporter. LE doesn't usually classify someone as a POI lightly.

Doug could have used a throw away phone to use in Michigan (to call on Sunday) and left his cell phone at home in VA.

 

[Natal]

In CA, LE had the DNA matched in the Chelsea King case before they even found her body...I would think they could get a handle on tire tracks, etc pretty quickly in a kidnapping case, and maybe we have not heard because they have not found anything useful. I can't imagine it being anyone except the ex in this particular case, but will be interested to see how he actually managed it, if he did. He could not have allowed any time for mishaps, if he was at home when he made the call the night before and then home again in the evening when LE located him.
I agree with poster who stated that if somehow, someone else did this, ex will likely keep kids away from grandparents as much as possible once he gets custody back. Their attorneys should have advised them to be careful of what they say (or someone should have, if no attorneys.)

I think it is fairly safe to say that if hubby's alibi holds up the grandparents can kiss those kids goodbye forever.

 

[panthera]

I guess we need to know if the call on Sunday was from his home phone or from a cell phone. If it was from his cell, he could have been 5 minutes away from Venus's home.

And wouldn't it register as being placed from there? In fact, if he went to Michigan and took his own cell phone, it would be all over the map, right? MOO

 

[panthera]

Well, I think it would be pretty easy to trace the phone records from where the call was placed whether by landline or mobile phone.

That's why I asked the question. The parents said he ALWAYS called, NEVER MISSED A CALL, until the night she disappeared and that he always called at 8pm.

So if it can be proven he was calling from Virginia on Sunday night at 8pm, that makes the timeline that was available for this to happen extremely unlikely.

So the scenario is he hangs up with his kids at say 8:30pm on Sunday night, drives 10-11 hours conservatively (after likely being awake all day on Sunday) just in time to arrive at the parent's home, she walks out five minutes later to mail a letter, he grabs her, does whatever he does with her, puts her somewhere that nobody can find, and drives 10-11 hours home all under the radar?

And ~ how would he know that LE wouldn't come looking for him hours before he got back to Virginia? Very risky indeed! MOO

 

[Searchfortruth]

And wouldn't it register as being placed from there? In fact, if he went to Michigan and took his own cell phone, it would be all over the map, right? MOO

Yes, if he took his own cell phone. I would be surprised to find out that he had his own cell when he was in Michigan (IF he was in Michigan).

 

[panthera]

IIRC, LE has said that he is a POI and that his alibi witnesses check out for now. Doug said his alibi witnesses were "solid" when he spoke to a reporter. LE doesn't usually classify someone as a POI lightly.

Doug could have used a throw away phone to use in Michigan (to call on Sunday) and left his cell phone at home in VA.

Now I wonder if he called the kids on Venus' parents' landline or cell phone, and if landline if they have caller ID? In other words, what number registered for the incoming call? :waitasec:

 

[Searchfortruth]

And ~ how would he know that LE wouldn't come looking for him hours before he got back to Virginia? Very risky indeed! MOO

But, how risky are all of the other husbands that kill their wives out of anger and rage ? Scott P, OJ, they all knew LE would be coming for them and they all (in the heat of anger) made mistakes.

 

[Natal]

IIRC, LE has said that he is a POI and that his alibi witnesses check out for now. Doug said his alibi witnesses were "solid" when he spoke to a reporter. LE doesn't usually classify someone as a POI lightly.

It just means they have nothing else to go on. It didn't sound as though they had any evidence that he was involved other than the grandparents suspicions and the stormy nature of the marriage.

But whatever, IMO by early next week they will either arrest him or drop him as a POI. If they can link him to being there they will arrest him, if they can't and his alibi holds then there will be no reason for him to continue being a POI.

 

[Beyond Belief]

I would like to know where they found the letter she was mailing. Was it in the box, on the ground, etc.

 

[Searchfortruth]

Now I wonder if he called the kids on Venus' parents' landline or cell phone, and if landline if they have caller ID? In other words, what number registered for the incoming call? :waitasec:

Right, did they even have caller ID ? I would assume that LE has their phone records by now though.

 

[cluciano63]

Risky behavior, true, but also lots of planning, if he did this. Still, the call the night before has to show on his cell or his landline unless he wants to explain why, where he made the call from and can prove it. I feel certain that would have been checked out right away and maybe that call did come from Virginia, which would help his alibi hold up "for now." If that call was placed from any other state, he would not even have a temporary alibi.

 

[panthera]

But, how risky are all of the other husbands that kill their wives out of anger and rage ? Scott P, OJ, they all knew LE would be coming for them and they all (in the heat of anger) made mistakes.

You're right, but in this case, if Doug did it, he had at least 10 hours to think about it.....before he got to her doorstep.

 

[KeenEyes]

Do we know what she had to mail so urgently? Was it still in post box? I assume LE retrieved it (apologies if this has been previously discussed). Any chance that it had something to do with Doug or mutual business like court/attorney paperwork and she assured him during the Sunday evening call that she would put in in the mail first thing the next morning?

ETA: Wow! Apparently while I was writing this post, others were contemplating the same.

 

[panthera]

I would like to know where they found the letter she was mailing. Was it in the box, on the ground, etc.

Good question! From what I heard tonight, it seems she could've been attacked before she even got to the mailbox. Although I'd also think it would've been mentioned if no outgoing mail was in that box, since her reason for going out was to mail a letter.

 

[cluciano63]

I think they had early mail pick-up? It does not sound to me as though they were on terms where they would have spoken about her mailing something the next morning...

 

[Natal]

But, how risky are all of the other husbands that kill their wives out of anger and rage ? Scott P, OJ, they all knew LE would be coming for them and they all (in the heat of anger) made mistakes.

Actually, in the Peterson case there was no actual evidence directly linking him to the wife's death, it was all circumstantial and the fact that he was a jerk didnt help him - he clearly did not get the benefit of the doubt as he is supposed to. In OJ's case there was direct evidence linking him. He was aquited mainly because of doubt raised by issues not directly related to the case.

The two cases were not at all similar from an evidentiary point of view.

 

[Searchfortruth]

You're right, but in this case, if Doug did it, he had at least 10 hours to think about it.....before he got to her doorstep.

Yes, he did have time (if he did it). I guess my point was that in most cases where husbands kill their wives, there is often a previous history of abuse or allegations of such. So, these husbands have to know that they are going to be the first person LE looks at. That fact alone would scare most people away from committing a crime, but in the abusive husband cases, it doesn't. Their rage often outweighs their reason.