Found Deceased MI - Venus Stewart, 32, Colon, 28 April 2010 - # 5 *D. Stewart guilty*

[cluciano63]

I cannot see a child a describing a penis in that way, by any stretch of imagination...that really stands out to me...not even good coaching, if coached. Or it is so off the wall, it must be true...one or the other...

 

[spamelope]

I'm going to town for paint. I know many of the officials in the case. If I run into the judge or the prosecuting attorney, what would everyone like me to ask them?

LOL Blackdog! Ask them who is on the WalMart tape!!!!!!! And what exactly is Doug's alibi? I have more questions, but I don't want to keep you all day long lol.

 

[believe09]

I'm going to town for paint. I know many of the officials in the case. If I run into the judge or the prosecuting attorney, what would everyone like me to ask them?

I would like to know what time they spoke to DS in the "late evening" lol...

 

[Cubby]

Hmmmmm. I don't think a child would make reference to size. Why would they? It's not as if they have anything for comparison purposes.

Also, by the time my son was 3 and in preschool I had already talked to him about good touch bad touch. Considering a lot of parents do not choose to send their kids to 3 yr old preschool ( at least in my immediate area) I would venture to guess those parents who do go ahead and choose to send their children to both 3 & 4 yr old preschool would be of the mind to have age appropriate discussions with their kids about good touch bad touch.

Ugh what a mess. Bottom line is Venus is missing and likely dead. Sadly, this case reminds me of the Peterson Stebic cases.. I can only hope Venus is found and this case doesn't go cold like Stacy's or Lisa's.

JMO

 

[BeanE]

While we won't, I'm not going to make the assumption the allegations were true and dropped for lack of evidence. If too much time goes by before a parent reports that raises my hinky meter. What parent wouldn't immediately go to the police and wait months?

Venus' daughter told her about the molestation in February. Venus immediately reported it, picked up the kids and left Doug, and got a protection order against him.

http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/Dad-finds-handwritten-letter-from-Venus

Also reference pufnstuf's timeline and case notes approximately the 2nd or 3rd post in this thread.

Also please note in puffy's timeline and case notes that Venus' abuse of Doug and his protection orders against her were years ago, and that what is recent and current, is that a judge found that Doug was threatening towards Venus, as evidence by the granting of a protection order against him in February, which was still in effect at the time of Venus abduction.

This is the documented information I'm currently going by. If you have other information, I'd appreciate the source references. I'm particularly interested in any indications, should they exist, that Venus was violent against Doug in the past year, as well as any indications that Venus did not take action as soon as her daughter told her about the allegations of molestation.

Thanks Cubby.

BeanE

 

[mommame]

The fact that she is missing lends no credibility to her sexual abuse allegations, sorry. Whether or not they are true or false does not change, regardless of where she is, or what has happened to her. I think Cubby is saying, it would be a shame "IF" she had made a false accusation against DS and it was that allegation that was enough to send him over the edge and actually cause him to harm her.

While I do agree it doesn't lend any credibility, it is a fact.she is not here to defend herself or her accusations......thats what I meant and still think.......

 

[cluciano63]

I wish new info would come out on the abduction case...evidence coming back, etc...I am not wanting to debate the alleged abuse charges at this point, personally...I know they are relevant to a point but not in the search phase, IMO. I guess it could play to motive, but it sounds as if this couple had nothing but motive and anger toward one another...

 

[thinkaboutthis]

Doesn't anybody else find it a little odd that DS has not tried to defend himself even once by casting a single aspersion against or blaming her, dragging her name through the mud, letting any skeletons out of her closet? It would have been SUPER easy for him to do. We only know what we know about her because it's a matter of public record, not because he or any of his family are offering it up to the media. Seems odd to me.

 

[spamelope]

What makes little to no sense is VS kidnapping herself. If she was going to walk away from her children, there were many other ways to do it. Unless of course you believe that she was the pathologically controlling spouse. She does not ring that way for me....there is a tremendous amount of organization and planning...hauling off and bloodying his nose makes me think that she does not have the same level of control. Again, JMO.
BB and SBM
Word. Tiffany Tehan.
Just sayin' it has happened before. Recently even.

 

[Cubby]

Venus' daughter told her about the molestation in February. Venus immediately reported it, picked up the kids and left Doug, and got a protection order against him.

http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/Dad-finds-handwritten-letter-from-Venus

Also reference pufnstuf's timeline and case notes approximately the 2nd or 3rd post in this thread.

Also please note in puffy's timeline and case notes that Venus' abuse of Doug and his protection orders against her were years ago, and that what is recent and current, is that a judge found that Doug was threatening towards Venus, as evidence by the granting of a protection order against him in February, which was still in effect at the time of Venus abduction.

This is the documented information I'm currently going by. If you have other information, I'd appreciate the source references. I'm particularly interested in any indications, should they exist, that Venus was violent against Doug in the past year, as well as any indications that Venus did not take action as soon as her daughter told her about the allegations of molestation.

Thanks Cubby.

BeanE

For clarification purposes. Please note, I did not specify 'Venus' - when I said "a parent" I was speaking in generalities. I've also referenced more than once I have not read every single post in all of the threads regarding Venus. hence, some of my posts are either my opinion or generally speaking as indicated.

HTH

 

[Cubby]

Thanks. That is what I thought...... Unfortunately, and I mean no disrespect to Venus as she is the victim here, but so often allegations of sexual abuse are used as a weapon in bitter custody battles. It makes me wonder if perhaps that was part of what made Doug snap. Granted, it is not an excuse or reason to excuse is behavior as I have seen other fathers falsely accused and able to maintain their composure and fight the allegations - and then end up with full custody-. And sometimes the mothers continue on and on with the false allegations and end up having their parental rights revoked depending on how long the nonsense goes on. In those cases it is usually several years.... but that is getting OT so I will end here.

I have some articles saved regarding such. If anyone wishes copies please send me a pm and I will send you the link. This thread is not the place for them.

BBM. Sorry to quote myself but I felt I should further clarify. The two articles I have are non case related. They are two articles about two mothers who have lost their parental rights based on continued false allegations of child molestation against their ex's.

I mention them for reference purpose ONLY and in no way intend for them to be relative to indicate the accuracy or inaccuracy of any allegations made by Venus against her husband.

If anyone is interested in reading them, I would be happy to share them via PM but because they have NO relation to this case I will not link them in the thread.

 

[thinkaboutthis]

BBM. Sorry to quote myself but I felt I should further clarify. The two articles I have are non case related. They are two articles about two mothers who have lost their parental rights based on continued false allegations of child molestation against their ex's.

I mention them for reference purpose ONLY and in no way intend for them to be relative to indicate the accuracy or inaccuracy of any allegations made by Venus against her husband.

If anyone is interested in reading them, I would be happy to share them via PM but because they have NO relation to this case I will not link them in the thread.

I'm always up for a good read...if you wouldn't mind messaging them along to me. And thanks for all you do Cubby.

 

[Cubby]

While I do agree it doesn't lend any credibility, it is a fact.she is not here to defend herself or her accusations......thats what I meant and still think.......

With all due respect, and I mean that. I think people may be getting hyper sensitive with respect to what is ones opinion versus interpreting what someone is posting as fact.

I never meant to indicate Venus's allegations against her husband were false as FACT. Hence my speaking in general based on my experience as an SP.

I'm not here to choose which parent was right and which was wrong, it was simply a theory based on what I know of MANY fathers who have been falsely accused of molesting their children. Some who have won the custody fight and proving the allegations were false, and others who were not so lucky.

*IF* the allegations were false, and that is what sent Doug over the edge it is very unfortunate. That is all I was saying.

HTH

 

[Natal]

For DS to be the guilty party here for me, he would have to fall in line with the kind of spouse I am familiar with who is pathologically controlling. Her attempt to run away and start a new life without him would be sufficient to make him throw common sense to the wind and destroy her in some shape or form....in this case to take her and possibly harm her.

She must have left before. They both requested and were granted PPOs in July-August 2008, which means that they couldn't have been living together at that time. Likewise the 2009 PPO application implies they were apart at that time.

So her leaving in February wasn't something new. If there was a trigger it must have had something to do with more recent events, since they would have been through all this separation stuff at least twice before.

 

[Natal]

I cannot see a child a describing a penis in that way, by any stretch of imagination...that really stands out to me...not even good coaching, if coached. Or it is so off the wall, it must be true...one or the other...

It wasn't the child describing it, it was Venus's account. And one would assume that she had seen her husbands penis before, so any description of it in itself wouldn't carry weight, no matter how accurate or off the wall.

If the child described it to member of LE or a therapist, then there would be more grounds for the allegation, but if it something that only Venus said, it would carry no weight (and therefor no charges).

 

[mommame]

With all due respect, and I mean that. I think people may be getting hyper sensitive with respect to what is ones opinion versus interpreting what someone is posting as fact.

I never meant to indicate Venus's allegations against her husband were false as FACT. Hence my speaking in general based on my experience as an SP.

I'm not here to choose which parent was right and which was wrong, it was simply a theory based on what I know of MANY fathers who have been falsely accused of molesting their children. Some who have won the custody fight and proving the allegations were false, and others who were not so lucky.

*IF* the allegations were false, and that is what sent Doug over the edge it is very unfortunate. That is all I was saying.

HTH

I understand and agree totally.....I misunderstood your first post. I also agree that it does happen unfortunately where father's get wrongly accused of such things. I was simply saying that in this case ( sorry your post just happened to be where I had a chance (ok bad time to take that chance) to state my opinions on these accusations as I had seen this brought up in the past)

 

[Calliope]

Thank you puf, for that transcription. I think. Someday that little girl will google this case, and find this. I hope she has a good therapist. It was sick to put this out for public consumption. The media should have taken the high road and declined to publish this.

Absolutely.

 

[Calliope]

LARRY MCCOMB: I`m as sure that he took her as I am of my name. That`s all there is to it, Nancy. I`m positive. This other fellow they run the sketch around, lady at the Dollar Store says he`s a local boy. I think these conversations have gotten confused or exaggerated. I don`t know. Doug Stewart is the man that took my daughter.

Good morning, believe. Here you go.

GRACE: And another thing, Mr. McComb, Larry, this guy that was at the lake does not seem to bear a resemblance to whoever was parked across from your house the morning she was taken.

THERESE MCCOMB: No.

LARRY MCCOMB: That`s right, Nancy. That`s because he wasn`t the man.

GRACE: Larry, have you talked to the neighbor that saw the pick-up in the field?

LARRY MCCOMB: No, I haven`t. I don`t know if it was a neighbor close or just somebody going to work that lives in the neighborhood. The police aren`t telling me.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1005/07/ng.01.html

Why in the world would you NOT try to find the neighbor who saw this man???

 

[Cubby]

I understand and agree totally.....I misunderstood your first post. I also agree that it does happen unfortunately where father's get wrongly accused of such things. I was simply saying that in this case ( sorry your post just happened to be where I had a chance (ok bad time to take that chance) to state my opinions on these accusations as I had seen this brought up in the past)

Thank you and I understand. I'm not always great at being very clear with what I write. I know what I mean, but I'm not sure I always communicate it in writing as I wish. I welcome any questions for clarification purposes.

:blowkiss:

 

[thinkaboutthis]

She must have left before. They both requested and were granted PPOs in July-August 2008, which means that they couldn't have been living together at that time. Likewise the 2009 PPO application implies they were apart at that time.

So her leaving in February wasn't something new. If there was a trigger it must have had something to do with more recent events, since they would have been through all this separation stuff at least twice before.

I agree wholeheartedly with your statements. It would seem that at some point in 2008 after the DV arrest...the children were living with DS and she was living with her parents in Colon, because in DS's PPO from 2008 it said something to the effect of that she threatened to kill him for taking her children away from her. That leads me to think he had custody of them on his own for some period of time and she had left the household. I'm sure this info could be verified rather easily by LE.

Whatever criminal allegation was made against the father of VS, was in 2009. This leads me to think that they must have been seperated again as a result of said allegation...(more PPO's, more divorce filings) and depending on what the criminal allegation against LM was...possibly the children with DS having custody again and her living at home with her parents. This would be easy to prove by learning where the PPO and divorce proceedings were filed.

The million dollar question is...after your husband accuses your own father of doing something criminal...how do you end up back with him and relocating halfway accross the country with someone you claim to know is abusive, controlling, and dangerous to your own well-being? Especially, when you were already clearly separated and in the safety and care of your own parent's home?