Found Deceased MI - Venus Stewart, 32, Colon, 28 April 2010 - # 5 *D. Stewart guilty*

[Cubby]

Why in the world would you NOT try to find the neighbor who saw this man???

or make a public plea for anyone in the neighborhood who may have seen him to contact LE? Unless he did and I missed that?

 

[believe09]

:grouphug:

I appreciate everyone who is putting such time, effort and thought into this situation. It is a truly compelling case...

 

[Calliope]

Hmmmmm. I don't think a child would make reference to size. Why would they? It's not as if they have anything for comparison purposes.

Also, by the time my son was 3 and in preschool I had already talked to him about good touch bad touch. Considering a lot of parents do not choose to send their kids to 3 yr old preschool ( at least in my immediate area) I would venture to guess those parents who do go ahead and choose to send their children to both 3 & 4 yr old preschool would be of the mind to have age appropriate discussions with their kids about good touch bad touch.

Ugh what a mess. Bottom line is Venus is missing and likely dead. Sadly, this case reminds me of the Peterson Stebic cases.. I can only hope Venus is found and this case doesn't go cold like Stacy's or Lisa's.

JMO

BBM

I agree.

I'm trying to be delicate here....

For a child that little, I don't see them describing it as ___ and small, no matter how poorly endowed he is.

God, I hope that passes muster...

 

[thinkaboutthis]

or make a public plea for anyone in the neighborhood who may have seen him to contact LE? Unless he did and I missed that?

If my daughter was missing, you better believe I'd be knocking on every door in the area and talking to everyone I could to find out what they saw or heard or knew...good point.

 

[mommame]

I agree wholeheartedly with your statements. It would seem that at some point in 2008 after the DV arrest...the children were living with DS and she was living with her parents in Colon, because in DS's PPO from 2008 it said something to the effect of that she threatened to kill him for taking her children away from her. That leads me to think he had custody of them on his own for some period of time and she had left the household. I'm sure this info could be verified rather easily by LE.

Whatever criminal allegation was made against the father of VS, was in 2009. This leads me to think that they must have been seperated again as a result of said allegation...(more PPO's, more divorce filings) and depending on what the criminal allegation against LM was...possibly the children with DS having custody again and her living at home with her parents. This would be easy to prove by learning where the PPO and divorce proceedings were filed.

The million dollar question is...after your husband accuses your own father of doing something criminal...how do you end up back with him and relocating halfway accross the country with someone you claim to know is abusive, controlling, and dangerous to your own well-being? Especially, when you were already clearly separated and in the safety and care of your own parent's home?

JMO..but in answer to the Million Dollar ??......I have read of this happening time and again.....The abuser is always going to try, it won't happen again....He loves her, ect..ect

 

[Calliope]

Venus' daughter told her about the molestation in February. Venus immediately reported it, picked up the kids and left Doug, and got a protection order against him.

http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/sw_mich/Dad-finds-handwritten-letter-from-Venus

Also reference pufnstuf's timeline and case notes approximately the 2nd or 3rd post in this thread.

Also please note in puffy's timeline and case notes that Venus' abuse of Doug and his protection orders against her were years ago, and that what is recent and current, is that a judge found that Doug was threatening towards Venus, as evidence by the granting of a protection order against him in February, which was still in effect at the time of Venus abduction.

This is the documented information I'm currently going by. If you have other information, I'd appreciate the source references. I'm particularly interested in any indications, should they exist, that Venus was violent against Doug in the past year, as well as any indications that Venus did not take action as soon as her daughter told her about the allegations of molestation.

Thanks Cubby.

BeanE

BBM

Where were Venus and Doug when this was filed and granted? Was this filed after she got back to MI? Was he still in VA at the time? If so, I wouldn't place too much on this as proof he was violent toward her. I could go to a judge here and file for a PPO against my ex living half-way across the country. If he's not present to give his side, or isn't represented by someone local who can, the judge can only go by what I've told him... and I could likely have one granted.

 

[blackdog]

What is the objective of this site?

 

[Cubby]

BBM

I agree.

I'm trying to be delicate here....

For a child that little, I don't see them describing it as ___ and small, no matter how poorly endowed he is.

God, I hope that passes muster...

We are all adults here. I think your post was fine.

I would like to add, generally speaking. Think about the times children discuss questions or comments about body parts and how they describe them. They do so innocently, most often, and sometimes so bold that some of their questions or comments make adults laugh hysterically. I can think of a few questions my son asked my family.... and they shared the story about how they busted out laughing and couldn't help themself.... mostly because as adults we would know to ask that privately. The reason for the initial laughter went completely over my sons head.

That alone makes it very difficult for me to comprehend how some of these comments are spoken directly from a 3 yr old.

JMO

 

[Cubby]

What is the objective of this site?

In relation to what?

This is the description of this forum, the missing/located discussion forum:

This is the place for case discussion and opinion regarding all cases on the Missing/Located Forums.

Does that help?

 

[Calliope]

What is the objective of this site?

Cookies. As a new poster, you're required to bake us all cookies. I prefer chocolate chip, soft, not crunchy. TIA.

It's spam's turn to bring the drinks tho'.

 

[RubyRed]

dear wetman,

sorry to inconvenience your fully clothed evening swimming and cigarette bumming time, we hope you know where you are because you had to ask when you came out of the woods at adams lake a few weeks back, but we can't seem to find you. We know that you are most likely just a local boy with nothing to do with the case, but we'd like to chat with you. We only want to question you regarding a possible abduction/murder case we have open, and you are not a suspect or person of interest...but fyi because we don't believe you have any involvement, we went ahead and did exhaustive searches at adams lake on 3 seperate occasions including once with side-scanning sonar and we plan to go back again when the water levels come down.

Again, all of that searching we did, is not because we have any reason to suspect you, or your behavior as remotely suspicious. We just want to catch up.

Thanks in advance for your consideration. We appreciate your creepy patronage of our private properties here in michigan.

Yours truly,

msp

lmao, lol lol

 

[spamelope]

What is the objective of this site?

LOL Um, anyone? Anyone? Anyone?

We're here to solve crimes and be noticed by the American Idol judges. lol

 

[Cubby]

BBM

Where were Venus and Doug when this was filed and granted? Was this filed after she got back to MI? Was he still in VA at the time? If so, I wouldn't place too much on this as proof he was violent toward her. I could go to a judge here and file for a PPO against my ex living half-way across the country. If he's not present to give his side, or isn't represented by someone local who can, the judge can only go by what I've told him... and I could likely have one granted.

True. I hope to have answers to these questions as well.

 

[Calliope]

We are all adults here. I think your post was fine.

I would like to add, generally speaking. Think about the times children discuss questions or comments about body parts and how they describe them. They do so innocently, most often, and sometimes so bold that some of their questions or comments make adults laugh hysterically. I can think of a few questions my son asked my family.... and they shared the story about how they busted out laughing and couldn't help themself.... mostly because as adults we would know to ask that privately. The reason for the initial laughter went completely over my sons head.

That alone makes it very difficult for me to comprehend how some of these comments are spoken directly from a 3 yr old.

JMO

ITA

And you're right. Kids that age just blurt it out no matter who's around. Makes for some interesting times, for sure lol.

It took me a long time before I realized what my grandson meant by 'tentacles'

 

[spamelope]

Cookies. As a new poster, you're required to bake us all cookies. I prefer chocolate chip, soft, not crunchy. TIA.

It's spam's turn to bring the drinks tho'.

LOL You picked me cuz I know you think by my behavior that I would bring the hard stuff. In reality, I would bring coffee and Dr. Pepper lol.
Thanks for the plug for cookies. I could go for a cookie right about now!

 

[spamelope]

Personally, since DS filed for divorce 3 times, I don't think he was doing the begging if there was any to be done. JMOO

 

[Calliope]

LOL You picked me cuz I know you think by my behavior that I would bring the hard stuff. In reality, I would bring coffee and Dr. Pepper lol.
Thanks for the plug for cookies. I could go for a cookie right about now!

Well, it was worth a shot.

 

[Cubby]

ITA

And you're right. Kids that age just blurt it out no matter who's around. Makes for some interesting times, for sure lol.

It took me a long time before I realized what my grandson meant by 'tentacles'

Yep. Mine thinks tampons are the white mouse, lol. At least that is how he describes them.

When I hear and read these accusations with children using descriptions only an adult would understand I personally have a hard time taking those allegations as fact.

OT- my son is in 1st. I told him if he ever had questions about sex I would prefer he asked me, rather than learning from his friends - because kids his age often have the facts/info mixed up. Imagine my shock when my sons first question was "So mom, just exactly when did you and my dad have sex? Because you are not at all the sexual type and my dad CERTAINLY is not the sexual type". I was not at ALL prepared for that question, but at least I know he is comfortable enough to ask. And I understand this is his sorting out in his mind my relationship with his dad because we were never married.

Those types of things make me question the description some parents claim their very young children use.

end of OT.

JMO

 

[Cubby]

Personally, since DS filed for divorce 3 times, I don't think he was doing the begging if there was any to be done. JMOO

It could have been a passive agressive thing.... if I don't get my way, or I can't get you to.... I will do X. Perhaps for some time Venus was the one with more interest in working on the relationship until she had enough and realized any attempts at compromise were futile. Usually when someone who is a control freak - and I assume Doug to be one in this situation - they are even more frantic when they begin to lose the control they have over another. Could it be he 'snapped' as a result of losing that control?

Unfortunately, I think there is a type of man who has his idea's of what his life, marraige and career should be. Very inflexible, and they will go to any and all lengths to maintain that image. From what I have read, Doug strikes me as that type more than the type to not want to give up his money and half of what he earned kind of thing.

JMO

 

[blackdog]

LOL Um, anyone? Anyone? Anyone?

We're here to solve crimes and be noticed by the American Idol judges. lol

I'm new. What doe's everyone think is taking so long for an arrest, again.