Found Deceased MI - Venus Stewart, 32, Colon, 28 April 2010 - # 8 *D. Stewart guilty*

[Kimberlyd125]

We know very little, but we know nothing about any evidence his defense attorney has put together.

Whoever abducted her had to have left some sort of shoe impressions behind. Whether he dumped the shoes later or not, matching the size would be yet another piece of circumstantial evidence in their case.

If I were gonna abduct someone, I would not wear my shoe size. Just sayin.
I'd be sure to squeeze my feet into a smaller shoe/boot or tie some really big ones really tight.
But, DS is not the brightest bulb in the bunch, so he most likely wore the shoes he wore to court the other day.

Even if you wear your size, how many people wear that same size?

IMO not much evidence in shoe tracks unless you have a pair of shoes to match them to.
MSP would take photos and impressions of shoe tracks in hopes to find the shoes those tracks belong to. But, if they can't find the shoes, oh well - won't help.

I think that's why we've heard nothing about shoe tracks.

JMO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Were there any prints left at the scene, besides Venus' and Larry's (since he admitted to have gone outside before calling police)?

I'm sure there were other prints. And I'm sure casts were made of those prints. But, like I've said a few times, they are of no value to MSP without the shoes to compare them to.

Of course Larry went outside before calling 911. Why would you call 911 before looking outside to see if VS was out there. I'm sure his shoe tracks have been ruled out as the abductors. IMO

 

[spamelope]

IIRC, Venus's slipper prints were not visible to the naked eye-they only showed up after the dusting for fingerprints. But with all the rain just a few hours earlier, they should have been. There should have been muddy prints on the propane tank if she had kicked it, or at least a smudge. I just looked at the original search warrants, and they didn't ask for any shoes, so I guess there were no discernible prints at the scene. IMO if there were, they would have grabbed all of his shoes to find a match.

 

[Calliope]

If I were gonna abduct someone, I would not wear my shoe size. Just sayin.
I'd be sure to squeeze my feet into a smaller shoe/boot or tie some really big ones really tight.
But, DS is not the brightest bulb in the bunch, so he most likely wore the shoes he wore to court the other day.

Even if you wear your size, how many people wear that same size?

IMO not much evidence in shoe tracks unless you have a pair of shoes to match them to.
MSP would take photos and impressions of shoe tracks in hopes to find the shoes those tracks belong to. But, if they can't find the shoes, oh well - won't help.

I think that's why we've heard nothing about shoe tracks.

JMO

That's why I said it would be just another piece of indirect evidence.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

IIRC, Venus's slipper prints were not visible to the naked eye-they only showed up after the dusting for fingerprints. But with all the rain just a few hours earlier, they should have been. There should have been muddy prints on the propane tank if she had kicked it, or at least a smudge. I just looked at the original search warrants, and they didn't ask for any shoes, so I guess there were no discernible prints at the scene. IMO if there were, they would have grabbed all of his shoes to find a match.

Wasn't the struggle in the gravel? If so there would be no mud on her slippers IMO.
If her entire walk to the mailbox (if she made it to the mailbox) was gravel, her slippers would be clean. IMO

I disagree about the shoes, I think they were looking for a certain type of shoe to match the prints and they were not there.

IMO those shoes are somewhere between Colon MI and NN VA.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

That's why I said it would be just another piece of indirect evidence.

It may be. But you were asking if there were other prints or if we have heard anything about other prints.
My opinion is we don't know because at this point, MSP has not said anything about it. My opinion of why they have not said anything about it is because they don't have the shoes to match. They are not throwing every little bit of info out to us so we can discuss it. They are only letting us know bits and pieces of what they have.
I'm sure they have casts and photos. I'm sure there were prints by where the truck was parked. I'm also sure there were none where he grabbed VS because they were in gravel.

 

[spamelope]

You can see the dirt under the gravel that was disturbed in the pictures. I'm sure it was mud when it happened. Plus, there is grass there also.
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/...enus Stewart/?action=view&current=scuffle.jpg

 

[Calliope]

It may be. But you were asking if there were other prints or if we have heard anything about other prints.
My opinion is we don't know because at this point, MSP has not said anything about it. My opinion of why they have not said anything about it is because they don't have the shoes to match. They are not throwing every little bit of info out to us so we can discuss it. They are only letting us know bits and pieces of what they have.
I'm sure they have casts and photos. I'm sure there were prints by where the truck was parked. I'm also sure there were none where he grabbed VS because they were in gravel.

Gravel on top of dirt. Wet dirt.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Ok Spam, I looked and I see what you are talking about. "Maybe" and IMO that's a big maybe, her slippers were muddy enough that they would leave a print.
We just don't know. Maybe the print on the tank was from early on in the struggle and the slippers were not muddy yet. Maybe it was before the indentions were made in the gravel that would have gotten down to the dirt/mud. Maybe when he grabbed her, she pressed against the tank with her feet trying to get away. Maybe those deep ruts in the gravel were from his feet, not hers. Her slippers could have stayed clean. Either is possible.

We just don't know.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Gravel on top of dirt. Wet dirt.

You can walk on gravel on top of dirt/mud without getting your shoes/slippers muddy. I do it all the time. To get your shoes muddy you would have to get down to that dirt/mud.

See my above response to Spam as to how I think her slippers could have stayed clean during the struggle.

JMO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/...enus Stewart/?action=view&current=scuffle.jpg

It would be hard to get good shoe prints from these indentions IMO.

 

[spamelope]

another reason to transport the truck via car transport is to collect any kind of vegatation under the fenders/wheel wells and under carriage that may match the field or area where he possibly dumped her. JMO

Yes, I would think they would have done this immediately since finding Venus should be the number one priority.
A lot can be told by the types of plants that would be on the undercarriage. Especially since there's a huge difference between the fauna of MI and VA.

 

[spamelope]

I wonder if these are the pajama bottoms she was wearing when she disappeared? They would go well with the grey tee shirt.
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/...ewart/?action=view&current=venusstewart_1.jpg

 

[BeanE]

Now I understand why they can't yet say it was one and only one imposter. They have at least three distinct pieces of evidence of an imposter, but don't yet have, or are not yet willing to publicize, that they can definitively say it's all the same person.

The embedded numbers are mine:

1) A man resembling Stewart paid a bill for Stewart at a Newport News law office on April 26, the day Venus disappeared. 2) Also, video recordings show a man resembling Stewart at his apartment complex on that day and 3) a Stewart look-a-like appears on other video recordings in other locations, according to Risko.

http://www.threeriversnews.com/articles/2010/06/03/news/local_news/doc4c07b51d1dccc423171244.txt

 

[BeanE]

I wonder if these are the pajama bottoms she was wearing when she disappeared? They would go well with the grey tee shirt.
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/...ewart/?action=view&current=venusstewart_1.jpg

What grey tee shirt?

ETA: never mind. senior moment.

 

[BeanE]

Criteria for the impostinator:
- must look very similar to Doug
- must be willing to help create this alibi/cover for Doug
- must be willing to take the risk of prosecution for the crime
- must be trustworthy to draw funds
- must be trustworthy have possession of personal documents
- must be willing to keep their mouth shut

The criteria really narrows the playing field. You could almost think it would be someone he would hire or a friend, except for the amount of trust necessary for the person to 1) draw funds, and 2) have possession of Doug's personal documents, and 3) necessity to look like Doug.

It's interesting to me that LE publicized this so soon after the search of Doug's parents' house. That search warrant was executed on May 21.

I wonder if they do actually have some evidence of who the impostinator was.

Doug's father is sort of the elephant in the room to me as far as the impostinator goes. Does he work? I wonder if he's got an... alibi...

 

[grayjay]

I remember there was a pair of black Brahma shoes. It was on the search warrant. At the time I couldn't guess why shoes and a hat, but now the shoes make more sense to me, and the hat purchased in the kit might have just been for protection from light rain.

 

[thinkaboutthis]

I'm sure there were other prints. And I'm sure casts were made of those prints. But, like I've said a few times, they are of no value to MSP without the shoes to compare them to.

Of course Larry went outside before calling 911. Why would you call 911 before looking outside to see if VS was out there. I'm sure his shoe tracks have been ruled out as the abductors. IMO

Wasn't somebody piping in earlier about a pair of Brahma Boots found in the truck? Did LE take those? I would guess they could leave some sort of foot print.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Now that y'all mention that I do remember something about the boots because it was mentioned WalMart sells that brand.
I don't think they were on the receipt found but there could have been more than 1 walmart transaction and only 1 receipt was found.
Maybe he threw away 1 receipt and thought he threw away 2.

JMO

 

[grayjay]

The search warrant for the dodge also says there is a Brahma shoe box on the rear seat. It says shoes, not boots.