Michelle Young. Murdered Pregnant Mom, NC Part 11

[jilly]

I'm kinda interested to see where everyone is standing at this point so I'll go first. Guess the choices will be Jy did it alone, hired someone, or not involved in the slightest. I'll go first......

I have a hard time beleiving that he is not involved at all. Either he is involved in some way or this kid is the unluckiest guy alive. I think we all know the reasons surrounding the circumstantial evidence so I won't rehash.

Not sure I'm buying the hit either. Not that it doesn't happen but from a logical standpoint, JY had a good group of friends. Most were fairly well to do and stayed in close contact. A lot like my group of friends, and I'm not exactly sure where I could stop and ask someone to off my spouse. Also the overkill involved, this was a personal crime, imo. I thought from the very first day that it was either JY or someone who knew them very well. For example, nothing was done to the body to indicate sexual assault or mutilation or anything over the top, they just wanted her dead. I don't buy the missing jewelry theory as floated by some others. Sure, it may be gone, but that was not the reason that someone came in the house, imo.

I guess I would fall into the acted alone category. Too many things stand out. Opportunity being away, brutality, blood on the outside of his car and in the backseat, they wanted the photographs of him shortly after to look for distinguishing marks, and the one that stands out to me is the foot impressions. Jy has got some big da&^ feet and LE is not going to be mistaking his feet for those of MF. Personally, I don't think that forensic evidence is back and I'm not a concerned about the length of time as some others. People starting to assume that he didn't do it. The da in this case has got one shot to prosecute him. The guys over in Durham have set a good example of how not to go about it so I think that LE is being very methodical with this one. Crossing the t's and dotting the i's.

All jmo, of course.....

Great Post PacFan. I'm with you.

I know I was robbed once and the burglar took a suitcase out of my closet and dumped the jewellry from the drawers in the case. He didn't take the drawers!! He took anything else of value such as electronics as well.

Nothing else was taken apparently at the Youngs'.

 

[raisincharlie]

Awww, RC - not to worry - you could never tick me off - it's just not in your nature!!!

See, this is what it's come to because of no information!!! :crazy: You're being subjected to my ESP.

Uh oh - my wife has that ESP stuff too - it scares me Can't get away with anything at all ! Back at ya!

 

[scandi]

I'm up and rising Charlie, so better! lol

Hi Pack Fan, I'm right there with you. Keeping it simple. Conspiracy, hit men, someone doing it to have JY all to their own , give me big fat break

There must be something that hit JY in the face, WHAM, posing such a threat he could not live with it. Motive, yuppers. Opportunity, loads of time if there really was no meeting, and time enough if he did. He'd just be a bit tired for it. Means, Big strapping athletic guy who knows the basics about sleeper holds and go for the head to disable first, down to how to keep little girls busy when thay have to wait too long.

One question I have is what makes Harrison think the perp sustained a wound? Any ideas Pack Fan?

 

[jilly]

I agree RC there was something askew with MF & JY. Maybe he tried to make a pass at her and she told her sister. Something has definitely happened because that 'camp' has come out swinging so hard against her. Even the fact that he was trying to set her up. She told the 911 operator she'd never been asked to do anything like this before.

 

[pack_fan]

I'm up and rising Charlie, so better! lol

Hi Pack Fan, I'm right there with you. Keeping it simple. Conspiracy, hit men, someone doing it to have JY all to their own , give me big fat break

There must be something that hit JY in the face, WHAM, posing such a threat he could not live with it. Motive, yuppers. Opportunity, loads of time if there really was no meeting, and time enough if he did. He'd just be a bit tired for it. Means, Big strapping athletic guy who knows the basics about sleeper holds and go for the head to disable first, down to how to keep little girls busy when thay have to wait too long.

One question I have is what makes Harrison think the perp sustained a wound? Any ideas Pack Fan?

I've just heard that it was one heck of a struggle from a friend of mine that was interviewed by LE. The AR tells of defensive wounds so many assume that she was overtaken and killed immediately. I would tend to beleive that she did her best to protect herself and Cassidy. From the 911 call mf states that this place does not look like it normally does. I think the room is in disarray. Pictures thrown, anything she could get her hands on. Apparently there was a FAILED strangulation attempt so I would beleive that she was kicking and scratching or biting anything she could get close to. IMO, there will be dna evidence under the fingernails. My opinion is that LE stated that they may have been a wound by the mess in the bedroom but pure speculation on my part of course.

 

[raisincharlie]

I've just heard that it was one heck of a struggle from a friend of mine that was interviewed by LE. The AR tells of defensive wounds so many assume that she was overtaken and killed immediately. I would tend to beleive that she did her best to protect herself and Cassidy. From the 911 call mf states that this place does not look like it normally does. I think the room is in disarray. Pictures thrown, anything she could get her hands on. Apparently there was a FAILED strangulation attempt so I would beleive that she was kicking and scratching or biting anything she could get close to. IMO, there will be dna evidence under the fingernails. My opinion is that LE stated that they may have been a wound by the mess in the bedroom but pure speculation on my part of course.

I hate to say this but I was wondering about the possiblity that she bit him - thus the blow to the face...sorry to say that. Check pm please.

 

[pack_fan]

I hate to say this but I was wondering about the possiblity that she bit him - thus the blow to the face...sorry to say that. Check pm please.

Got it, replyed, thanks for the heads up.....

 

[raisincharlie]

Got it, replyed, thanks for the heads up.....

Good deal. You know, I have really studied on that NTO and I notice the foot impressions being taken as well. There has to be, in my mind anyway, a really good reason behind that. Shoe prints could have been checked against shoes in the closet, at least for size. I am still studying on that foot impression ordeal. There are a couple of reasons I can think of, a non distinct foot print perhaps in the bathroom or else the killer changed clothes and accidentally stepped in blood or something while barefoot. Can't figure that out but I know there has to be a reason for it.

 

[pack_fan]

I hate to say this but I was wondering about the possiblity that she bit him - thus the blow to the face...sorry to say that. Check pm please.

I think there will be quite a bit of forensic evidence with blood in his car and I also supect that the hair on her hand is his which none of this had been returned to LE, imo. My problem lies with the defense claiming that since he lived in the house, she has been in the car no telling how many time, etc, etc, etc, that the defense can cast resonable doubt. I would think this is more of the reason for delay while putting all the pieces together and make sure there won't be any suprises at trial.

 

[pack_fan]

Good deal. You know, I have really studied on that NTO and I notice the foot impressions being taken as well. There has to be, in my mind anyway, a really good reason behind that. Shoe prints could have been checked against shoes in the closet, at least for size. I am still studying on that foot impression ordeal. There are a couple of reasons I can think of, a non distinct foot print perhaps in the bathroom or else the killer changed clothes and accidentally stepped in blood or something while barefoot. Can't figure that out but I know there has to be a reason for it.

That stood out to me immediately but I wonder if it falls in the same category as the fingerprints meaning that it would be standard information taken. I would tend to think not. Obviously he would have to give fingerprints. With sign of struggle, they would want body photos. The voice mail would be reason for the voice data. I would just tend to think that this impression is being used for comparison purposes rather than just SOP.

 

[jilly]

I thought it was interesting that he had to give palm prints too.

 

[raisincharlie]

I think there will be quite a bit of forensic evidence with blood in his car and I also supect that the hair on her hand is his which none of this had been returned to LE, imo. My problem lies with the defense claiming that since he lived in the house, she has been in the car no telling how many time, etc, etc, etc, that the defense can cast resonable doubt. I would think this is more of the reason for delay while putting all the pieces together and make sure there won't be any suprises at trial.

I hope you are correct. I agree if the hair turns out to be Jys, the defense can indeed claim because JY lives in the home, it should be expected. Depends on some things though - if the root is present and how it was found to be positioned with respect to the hand. But if Michelle did manage to injure him and he bled and there is his blood on her body or clothes - it will be pretty difficult for the defense to overcome. So the best thing that could exist is actually his blood on her clothes or body. I pray she injuried him and drew blood.

I noticed also in the NTO that LE took samples for skin cells - this is telling as well. If for example the only skin cells found belong to JY and no one else it will be a hard sell for the defense to overcome. They will have to have some way to convince a jury an intruder was completely covered and left zero evidence of his presence - not impossible but difficult. Sometimes the lack of evidence is also evidence.

 

[raisincharlie]

I thought it was interesting that he had to give palm prints too.

I think LE took everything that they could think of - but I also think some of it may be for comparison to things found in the hotel room ( if there is one). You know they tore that room apart looking for JYs finger prints, palm prints, footprints, or anything that could show he was or wasn't in that room. :crazy:

 

[jilly]

I think LE took everything that they could think of - but I also think some of it may be for comparison to things found in the hotel room ( if there is one). You know they tore that room apart looking for JYs finger prints, palm prints, footprints, or anything that could show he was or wasn't in that room. :crazy:

Yes they did take everything and now that we've heard from PacFan that there indeed was a big struggle I would bet it's for comparison.

Just thinking about the hair. The fact that it was on the hand makes me think Michelle didn't grab it therefore there will be no root.

 

[raisincharlie]

I've just heard that it was one heck of a struggle from a friend of mine that was interviewed by LE. The AR tells of defensive wounds so many assume that she was overtaken and killed immediately. I would tend to beleive that she did her best to protect herself and Cassidy. From the 911 call mf states that this place does not look like it normally does. I think the room is in disarray. Pictures thrown, anything she could get her hands on. Apparently there was a FAILED strangulation attempt so I would beleive that she was kicking and scratching or biting anything she could get close to. IMO, there will be dna evidence under the fingernails. My opinion is that LE stated that they may have been a wound by the mess in the bedroom but pure speculation on my part of course.

pack_fan,

This post caused me to study most of the evening and first thing this morning. It has led me to think if indeed the room was in disarray and there were things disturbed, over turned or broken, then Michelle was either up or at least awake and alerted to the fact someone entered the home. This would tend to be supported by the way she was clothed as well as what she did not have on - socks & shoes.

For me, if this is true - it pushes the hitman theory very far from my mind and pulls it very much closer to the opinion that Michelle knew her attacker and was able to inflict some damage in some form. It also makes it stronger in my mind that the murderer is indeed JY as no hitman is going to put up with it, or be so unprepared as to resort to bludgeoning, or arrive at a time when she may well be up. Now that my brain is fried for the rest of the day...:silenced:

 

[pack_fan]

Yes they did take everything and now that we've heard from PacFan that there indeed was a big struggle I would bet it's for comparison.

Just thinking about the hair. The fact that it was on the hand makes me think Michelle didn't grab it therefore there will be no root.

Just to clarify, neither I or anyone else (other than the perp) really knows what went on in that house. This opinion was formed strictly from the questions and statements that were made in the interview with LE by a friend. No specific details were given so anything that stated here is pure speculation on my part.

 

[close_enough]

I'm kinda interested to see where everyone is standing at this point so I'll go first. Guess the choices will be Jy did it alone, hired someone, or not involved in the slightest. I'll go first......

I have a hard time beleiving that he is not involved at all. Either he is involved in some way or this kid is the unluckiest guy alive. I think we all know the reasons surrounding the circumstantial evidence so I won't rehash.

Not sure I'm buying the hit either. Not that it doesn't happen but from a logical standpoint, JY had a good group of friends. Most were fairly well to do and stayed in close contact. A lot like my group of friends, and I'm not exactly sure where I could stop and ask someone to off my spouse. Also the overkill involved, this was a personal crime, imo. I thought from the very first day that it was either JY or someone who knew them very well. For example, nothing was done to the body to indicate sexual assault or mutilation or anything over the top, they just wanted her dead. I don't buy the missing jewelry theory as floated by some others. Sure, it may be gone, but that was not the reason that someone came in the house, imo.

I guess I would fall into the acted alone category. Too many things stand out. Opportunity being away, brutality, blood on the outside of his car and in the backseat, they wanted the photographs of him shortly after to look for distinguishing marks, and the one that stands out to me is the foot impressions. Jy has got some big da&^ feet and LE is not going to be mistaking his feet for those of MF. Personally, I don't think that forensic evidence is back and I'm not a concerned about the length of time as some others. People starting to assume that he didn't do it. The da in this case has got one shot to prosecute him. The guys over in Durham have set a good example of how not to go about it so I think that LE is being very methodical with this one. Crossing the t's and dotting the i's.

All jmo, of course.....

JY did this alone...that's where i'm still standing ...

 

[close_enough]

I've just heard that it was one heck of a struggle from a friend of mine that was interviewed by LE. The AR tells of defensive wounds so many assume that she was overtaken and killed immediately. I would tend to beleive that she did her best to protect herself and Cassidy. From the 911 call mf states that this place does not look like it normally does. I think the room is in disarray. Pictures thrown, anything she could get her hands on. Apparently there was a FAILED strangulation attempt so I would beleive that she was kicking and scratching or biting anything she could get close to. IMO, there will be dna evidence under the fingernails. My opinion is that LE stated that they may have been a wound by the mess in the bedroom but pure speculation on my part of course.

that makes sense to me.....

 

[raisincharlie]

Just to clarify, neither I or anyone else (other than the perp) really knows what went on in that house. This opinion was formed strictly from the questions and statements that were made in the interview with LE by a friend. No specific details were given so anything that stated here is pure speculation on my part.

I understand that pack, it just jogged me back to two statements and two givens that are known - Meredith in the 911 call regarding the way the room looks and Sheriff Harrison saying there was a struggle and he would stop at that, and the AR report of what Michelle was wearing and not wearing as well as a failed attempt at strangulation. Did not take your statement as fact - just a jog to my brain. Just rambling along here...and speculating away. :waitasec:

 

[close_enough]

I hate to say this but I was wondering about the possiblity that she bit him - thus the blow to the face...sorry to say that. Check pm please.

hmmm, it's possible!!!...i hadn't even thought of that..