Michelle Young. Murdered Pregnant Mom, NC Part 12

[Jess]

Updated: 11 minutes ago
Durham — Police investigators spent the past week in Salt Lake City working with the FBI on a nearly 2-year-old unsolved homicide case involving a pregnant Durham mother.

Investigators would not say much about their work in Utah but said an FBI agent interviewed Raven Abaroa on Thursday.

He moved to Utah shortly after his wife, Janet, was killed in April 2005. The 25-year-old was found stabbed to death in a bedroom of her west Durham home.

Janet Abaroa was pregnant with her second child when she died. The couple's 6-month-old son was found unharmed nearby.

I didn't know where else to put this. LE is still working on this case 22 months after the murder !

oops -- forgot the link !!

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1198742/Updated: 11 minutes ago

 

[scandi]

Thanks Jess, That is wonderful news! Sami started a thread here comparing Michelle, Laci and Janet's murders. They talked a lot about Janet there, and it would be a great place to put the link.


Well, yes it a deep subject I've been thinking we know really a lot about the players in the case now, the kind of things they did and how they lived their lives.

One thing we haven't really talked much about is whether or not premeditation was a factor in this whole scenario that lies before us, if indeed JY did kill Michelle.

With Scott we had it worked out to almost the hour that he decided to get rid of Laci. I'd like to see if there are any thoughts on this. It isn't time yet for a thread of its own as there has not been an arrest.

 

[raisincharlie]

Sami,


An interesting read at CTV - Hawthorn's thread Autopsy - What's Missing. You prbably have figured this all out by now but it is an interesting read and more of what I expected.

I think a very sanitized version was issued for public consumption.

 

[BarnGoddess]

Updated: 11 minutes ago
Durham — Police investigators spent the past week in Salt Lake City working with the FBI on a nearly 2-year-old unsolved homicide case involving a pregnant Durham mother.

Investigators would not say much about their work in Utah but said an FBI agent interviewed Raven Abaroa on Thursday.

He moved to Utah shortly after his wife, Janet, was killed in April 2005. The 25-year-old was found stabbed to death in a bedroom of her west Durham home.

Janet Abaroa was pregnant with her second child when she died. The couple's 6-month-old son was found unharmed nearby.

I didn't know where else to put this. LE is still working on this case 22 months after the murder !

oops -- forgot the link !!

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1198742/Updated: 11 minutes ago

Excellent news. I also follow this forum. Thanks Jess. Let's hope we can solve MY's case a lot quicker.

 

[jilly]

Makes me wonder who gojo really is? How would he know these very private details about MM at this point ?? After all this is JY's friend from Brevard.

No kidding. Yes - how would s/he know? This isn't usually something pregnant couples like to broadcast when they are "barely" pregnant. I have no clue which friend this is - speaking of which - how many friends do these people have??

 

[crimeq]

No kidding. Yes - how would s/he know? This isn't usually something pregnant couples like to broadcast when they are "barely" pregnant. I have no clue which friend this is - speaking of which - how many friends do these people have??

Possibly MM and JY still have some contact, and MM told JY, who then told Gojo. If so, Gojo is close to JY, I would think.

 

[jilly]

Possibly MM and JY still have some contact, and MM told JY, who then told Gojo. If so, Gojo is close to JY, I would think.

That's what I initially thought too but I think an "insider" told us that there's been no contact between them since the funeral. Can't remember how this was phrased exactly - do you?

I do agree - gojo is close to JY.

 

[Bobbisangel]

I would love to know what LE has on this case. Do they think that Jason murdered Michelle? Do they have any kind of evidence? Anything that they sent to a lab should be back by now I would think. There had to be some evidence in that house. I suppose it is a problem when the accused lives in the house too. Much different then when it is a stranger that commits the murder. I would also think that LE has checked out every single thing that Jason told them. If he has a solid alibi then LE should be able to follow his travels...where he stayed...his meeting...and should be able to account for where he was that whole time.

It is so frustrating when it seems that nothing is happening. I believe that Jason murdered Michelle. Him calling his sister-in-law and asking her to go over to the house and pick up a fax is so bogus. I believe that he wanted to make sure that Michelle's body was found and that someone took the baby out of there after the poor little thing had been there all night and day with her mother's body. If he is the killer I hope and pray that he doesn't get away with it.

 

[jilly]

RC Read your post over at CTV about JY wasting time in Duffied. Very good! Makes perfect sense.

I'm wondering why though JY wouldn't just keep phoning MF. Do you suppose he thought that by simply checking voice mails one cannot be tracked? Big mistake on his part if this is so.

I just get so sick thinking about this. Darn rights he couldn't show up at his parents until he knew Meredith got to the house. He must have been in quite a state. She must have left him a message letting him know when she would be going there. This was sooo planned.

 

[jilly]

I would love to know what LE has on this case. Do they think that Jason murdered Michelle? Do they have any kind of evidence? Anything that they sent to a lab should be back by now I would think. There had to be some evidence in that house. I suppose it is a problem when the accused lives in the house too. Much different then when it is a stranger that commits the murder. I would also think that LE has checked out every single thing that Jason told them. If he has a solid alibi then LE should be able to follow his travels...where he stayed...his meeting...and should be able to account for where he was that whole time.

It is so frustrating when it seems that nothing is happening. I believe that Jason murdered Michelle. Him calling his sister-in-law and asking her to go over to the house and pick up a fax is so bogus. I believe that he wanted to make sure that Michelle's body was found and that someone took the baby out of there after the poor little thing had been there all night and day with her mother's body. If he is the killer I hope and pray that he doesn't get away with it.

It is frustrating and we don't know what LE has. A perfect crime couldn't be this simple, could it?

It doesn't appear that he has a solid alibi. LE has said "we know he was at certain places at certain times". Big deal. JY can't prove that he slept in that hotel bed and of course he doesn't have to. I'm just hoping there is surveillance tape of his activity.

What upsets me too is that not only did he arrange for Meredith to find her sister dead but it now appears he wants to put the blame on her for the murder. Unbelievable.

 

[raisincharlie]

RC Read your post over at CTV about JY wasting time in Duffied. Very good! Makes perfect sense.

I'm wondering why though JY wouldn't just keep phoning MF. Do you suppose he thought that by simply checking voice mails one cannot be tracked? Big mistake on his part if this is so.

I just get so sick thinking about this. Darn rights he couldn't show up at his parents until he knew Meredith got to the house. He must have been in quite a state. She must have left him a message letting him know when she would be going there. This was sooo planned.

Jilly,

You know - seriously I really can't reach a conclusion about whether this was planned or not. Depends on what day we talk, maybe even what hour. Let me drop a thought here because I have really studied on some aspects of this case as some points make me nuts. This is nothing more than PURE SPECULATION but...

First one is why did LE go back and check into the accident in May ?

Having brainwaves here. Thinking that somehow the accident in May was indeed tied into this murder in a fashion. Having read Scout's blog about the disgusting ring swallowing event and then watching other posters comments that JY was a prankster - what if he was messing around playing while driving and the accident occurred as a result ?

Michelle would have been tremendously upset first by the accident and second a few weeks later by the loss of the baby. What if she just really let JY have it over this and refused to forgive it to a certain extent. True she got pregnant very quickly after but then JY changed jobs. Seems to me this accident may have been a divisive point in the marriage if nothing else. (Also makes me wonder if Michelle didn't talk about this with her sister and Mom which is a later point to discuss - but what Michelle's family knew may be why LE revisited this accident)

3 months before Michelle's murder, JY makes a change of jobs which supposedly keeps him away from home 3 to 4 days per week. Had been with previous employer for a rumored 7 years. This job change gives him a chance to withdraw from married life to an extent. ALso 3 months before her murder JY starts this pursuit of MM. Perhaps Michelle noticed some changes and figured something was up (all indications are that the relationship with MM was not the first time JY fooled around on Michelle) and talked or attempted to talk to JY about it ? Jy was known to have been gone almost a week in September, almost a week in October during the time period that would have been their anniversary and now RPD is claiming the physical affair was in October - JY wasn't home much in October if this is true. Scandi may well be right on the money that Michelle figured it out, maybe the who, maybe not. Maybe Michelle did indeed tell him to hit the road and she would keep Cassidy - maybe this pushed him over the edge. The baby was left unharmed - the killer cared about the baby. Just a few thoughts. Have more about what MF and LF knew and why they may have suspected JY from the very begining.

Okay, tell me I'm crazy and to re-think...

RC

 

[Samiya]

RC,


I did read Hawthorn's post about the AR.

I'll add my bit when I've gone through it

Sami

 

[pack_fan]

Jilly,

You know - seriously I really can't reach a conclusion about whether this was planned or not. Depends on what day we talk, maybe even what hour. Let me drop a thought here because I have really studied on some aspects of this case as some points make me nuts. This is nothing more than PURE SPECULATION but...

First one is why did LE go back and check into the accident in May ?

Having brainwaves here. Thinking that somehow the accident in May was indeed tied into this murder in a fashion. Having read Scout's blog about the disgusting ring swallowing event and then watching other posters comments that JY was a prankster - what if he was messing around playing while driving and the accident occurred as a result ?

Michelle would have been tremendously upset first by the accident and second a few weeks later by the loss of the baby. What if she just really let JY have it over this and refused to forgive it to a certain extent. True she got pregnant very quickly after but then JY changed jobs. Seems to me this accident may have been a divisive point in the marriage if nothing else. (Also makes me wonder if Michelle didn't talk about this with her sister and Mom which is a later point to discuss - but what Michelle's family knew may be why LE revisited this accident)

3 months before Michelle's murder, JY makes a change of jobs which supposedly keeps him away from home 3 to 4 days per week. Had been with previous employer for a rumored 7 years. This job change gives him a chance to withdraw from married life to an extent. ALso 3 months before her murder JY starts this pursuit of MM. Perhaps Michelle noticed some changes and figured something was up (all indications are that the relationship with MM was not the first time JY fooled around on Michelle) and talked or attempted to talk to JY about it ? Jy was known to have been gone almost a week in September, almost a week in October during the time period that would have been their anniversary and now RPD is claiming the physical affair was in October - JY wasn't home much in October if this is true. Scandi may well be right on the money that Michelle figured it out, maybe the who, maybe not. Maybe Michelle did indeed tell him to hit the road and she would keep Cassidy - maybe this pushed him over the edge. The baby was left unharmed - the killer cared about the baby. Just a few thoughts. Have more about what MF and LF knew and why they may have suspected JY from the very begining.

Okay, tell me I'm crazy and to re-think...

RC

Well let me go crazy with you for a few moments......

There IS a reason, imo, that this accident was looked at again. I don't think that LE would go back and check JY's driving record as part of a murder investigation so....... someone brought it to their attention (jmo, moo, imo, etc.)

I don't know anything factual about the relationship between MF and MY but I don't think they were that close. I would suspect that it worked out to be a good situation on both sides since MY got someone to watch Cassidy and MF got to get away from home and start her own life away from the nest. I don't see them being best of friends but that too is jmo.

On the other hand, I think MY and her mother were very close and Michelle could have shared lots of information with her, possibly more than she would have shared with friends. What I do know is this, LE immediately made accusations to friends of JY and MY in interviews the week of the funeral. Someone put them on that track imo. I doubt that LF and JY had the best of relationships and I suspect it was because of things that LF and MY had discussed.

Just a side note but I have seen horrible tragedies such as this one bring people closer together. Family members who didn't have the best of relationships can move along and grieve with one another since both sides loved the victim very much and put aside their differences for the common good of finding the killer. Not the case here at all. Immediately both sides went to their corner and drew the line down the middle.

Just an opinion, and a poor one at that.......

 

[raisincharlie]

Well let me go crazy with you for a few moments......

There IS a reason, imo, that this accident was looked at again. I don't think that LE would go back and check JY's driving record as part of a murder investigation so....... someone brought it to their attention (jmo, moo, imo, etc.)

I don't know anything factual about the relationship between MF and MY but I don't think they were that close. I would suspect that it worked out to be a good situation on both sides since MY got someone to watch Cassidy and MF got to get away from home and start her own life away from the nest. I don't see them being best of friends but that too is jmo.

On the other hand, I think MY and her mother were very close and Michelle could have shared lots of information with her, possibly more than she would have shared with friends. What I do know is this, LE immediately made accusations to friends of JY and MY in interviews the week of the funeral. Someone put them on that track imo. I doubt that LF and JY had the best of relationships and I suspect it was because of things that LF and MY had discussed.

Just a side note but I have seen horrible tragedies such as this one bring people closer together. Family members who didn't have the best of relationships can move along and grieve with one another since both sides loved the victim very much and put aside their differences for the common good of finding the killer. Not the case here at all. Immediately both sides went to their corner and drew the line down the middle.

Just an opinion, and a poor one at that.......

I don't think this is a poor opinion at all - it may well be spot on. I agree tragedies can bring people together and I will also agree the battle lines were clearly drawn. All one has to do is watch the footage that WRAL posted to form the opinion that there was considerable distance, no matter what side of the fence one is on.

I also agree, this accident was pointed out to LE, it wasn't something LE was searching for, too many other things to look for than driving records. What that tells me is yes someone viewed that accident as, at minimum, a preventable accident. Who that came from is up in the air but back to the distance 1 + 1 = 2 in my brain.

As to the accusations of JY by LE in interviews, basic tactic when they suspect someone but I do think as the interviews continued some accusations may have been confirmed, some dispelled, and others may have arisen which were used in later interviews. I imagine questions were raised about this accident as well - just my opinion on that, but I strongly believe there is a connection between the accident and later events. Thanks for the thoughts.

 

[crimeq]

That's what I initially thought too but I think an "insider" told us that there's been no contact between them since the funeral. Can't remember how this was phrased exactly - do you?

I do agree - gojo is close to JY.

Of course the insider may not know. I don't know if they would be stupid enough to call or email, but there is still snail mail -- also possible somone else told JY. I'm sure he's not completely out of the loop of "friends". If two of his friends met him at MF's when he arrived with his parents, it's likely he's still in contact with some of his old gang.

 

[raisincharlie]

Of course the insider may not know. I don't know if they would be stupid enough to call or email, but there is still snail mail -- also possible somone else told JY. I'm sure he's not completely out of the loop of "friends". If two of his friends met him at MF's when he arrived with his parents, it's likely he's still in contact with some of his old gang.

Crimeq,

I'm not quite buying the two friends waiting at Meredith's house, maybe two police officers, but not two friends unless they were waiting in a parked car outside and being watched at a minimum by LE. Given the short time span after finding the body I suspect LE would have kept Meredith quite seperate from others until they were pretty well done with interviewing her - integrity of the investigation and the witness is rather important, not to mention the matter of both MF and Cassidy's safety. Just a thought.

 

[Barney Fife]

gojo is on CTV talking about rereading "silence of the Lambs". This character is quite a case indeed. I guess he wants us to assume he is RF with his cryptic clues.....geez

 

[jilly]

Jilly,

Okay, tell me I'm crazy and to re-think...

RC

No. Not gonna do that. You've got more energy than me on this case right now and I appreciate all your thoughts. I'm starting to wear down. Don't know what to think anymore.

 

[jilly]

gojo is on CTV talking about rereading "silence of the Lambs". This character is quite a case indeed. I guess he wants us to assume he is RF with his cryptic clues.....geez

Imo - he threw that scrap out about MM being pregnant to gain credibility. Now that he has it - he's toying - thinks he's smarter than everyone. Only a smart a$$ imo.

By the way Barney - see you spent the nite at the Hampton. Did you look for security cameras at all - front entrance & exits?

 

[Barney Fife]

IMO -
By the way Barney - see you spent the nite at the Hampton. Did you look for security cameras at all - front entrance & exits?

Jilly

Many of the Hampton Inn's are Franchise owned. I know I have stayed in the 'nicer' ones that had cameras. I also know I have stayed in some that did not.

If JY premeditated this and drove back, I would guess he chose one with no cameras and had plenty of cash for a gas stop.