Michelle Young. Murdered Pregnant Mom, NC Part 13

[Dominique]

Hi Dominique,

Hmmmmm I wonder if this machine would be used by the ME's forensic investigative team or a county criminalist? I could see it both ways, but probably the ME's office, right?

We do have an 'in' with that office in our Barney! I bet he could call them to ask about the machine and who would be the agency to develop footprints and map them out in the crime scene. Like Charlie, I think they will be very important. They will not be conclusive enough to maybe put him at the scene, but we don't know that.

Say if the carpet is Berber, there wouldn't be much indentation and definition of the foot. But if his feet were wet and had blood on them, they would leave marks to test. How many people could have been barefoot in the house to leave squishy foorprints with possible blood? Haa Haa Haa I don't think an intruder would take off his shoes, do you?

Think he'll try? LOLOLOL

The TracEr is is used primarily for trace evidence and seem to be esp. suited to picking up latent fingerprint (footprints?). I wonder if they fumed the Young household w/anything?

I do wonder what they found...rrrrr...the questions!

 

[panthera]

exactly RC.....

hoping one of these mornings i'm going to wake up, get online, check in here, & there will be a thread titled "an arrest has been made".....

I've been away a few days and come back and still no arrest ~ and I'd really been hoping the same thing as you.

The latest thing over the weekend was an article about what would've been Michelle's 30th birthday.

 

[panthera]

Scandi,

This is the kind of scenario I think of when thinking of that machine that was brought in. I think they were able to track the footsteps of the killer and most likely can come up with a size and characteristics of the killer's feet.

I think the same thing. I saw that on CTV also and certainly there have to be some footprints on the carpet with the amount of blood at the crime scene. I wonder if it's Jason if he had his shoes on or off.

 

[scandi]

Hi Panthera, I saw your post earlier, but didn't answer it because I didn't know the proper name for the physical exam JY was given by LE.

One of the things done to him was a special king of mold made of his barefeet, without shoes. We don't know why of course, but the general consensus was there must have been adult sized prints in the carpet that were visible but hard to discern at a forensic level. Scandi

 

[raisincharlie]

Something like this?? about halfway down the page

http://www.crimeandclues.com/news.htm

Interesting find Chico so I went on a search and found this:

http://www.coherentinc.com/Downloads/EFP%206%20Prf%201%20web.pdf

On the last page there are a couple of photos to demonstrate - very interesting.


Here is a link to CCBI - shows some of their technologies - ultraviolet and electrostatic dust lifters are mentioned but no laser technologies. You may be right on the ball there Chico !

http://www.wakegov.com/ccbi/investigations/duties.htm

 

[strach304]

I really like the idea that this tracer is "the" machine we all speculated about when we first heard they brought in a special machine. At the time I wondered what machine they would need that they didn't already have. This is new so that's they didn't have it? Makes sense to me especially if you consider this particular crime scene.

I still maintain my opinion that there was evidence apparent of an attempted clean up that LE focused on right away. Indicates one of the reasons they felt it wasn't random right away. That area for me also would include taking and disposing of the murder weapon and other various items including valuables for the purpose of staging. Just felt like it was worth another mention and look at by my fellow posters.

 

[raisincharlie]

I really like the idea that this tracer is "the" machine we all speculated about when we first heard they brought in a special machine. At the time I wondered what machine they would need that they didn't already have. This is new so that's they didn't have it? Makes sense to me especially if you consider this particular crime scene.

I still maintain my opinion that there was evidence apparent of an attempted clean up that LE focused on right away. Indicates one of the reasons they felt it wasn't random right away. That area for me also would include taking and disposing of the murder weapon and other various items including valuables for the purpose of staging. Just felt like it was worth another mention and look at by my fellow posters.

Strach,

I agree with you as I believe the killer cleaned up both himself and something about the scene itself. To the trained eye something was very obvious, I suspect cleaning up of the scene would be noticed quickly. If something was taken from the scene such as jewelry or money, it was an after thought as the killer forgot to show some form of forced entry to enhance the thought of an intruder. If it is true the drawers themselves were gone from the jewelry box - well that says a lot. Kind of messed up that angle IMO.

 

[jilly]

Wow. Thank you Chico & RC for this very interesting info. I think I can now understand why this is taking so long - so much involved here. I think these cops were really on the ball here.

I have a question RC since you mentioned the jewellry box drawers. If in fact he did take the drawers, do you suppose that was because he knew his finger prints were on them? If this is the case, then of course he wasn't wearing gloves!!

Also, it makes sense why they wanted his palm print in the NTO.

You may be right RC that they are focusing on the motive right now (not that they have to) to pad their circumstantial case.

 

[raisincharlie]

Wow. Thank you Chico & RC for this very interesting info. I think I can now understand why this is taking so long - so much involved here. I think these cops were really on the ball here.

I have a question RC since you mentioned the jewellry box drawers. If in fact he did take the drawers, do you suppose that was because he knew his finger prints were on them? If this is the case, then of course he wasn't wearing gloves!!

Also, it makes sense why they wanted his palm print in the NTO.

You may be right RC that they are focusing on the motive right now (not that they have to) to pad their circumstantial case.

Hello Jilly !

I'm thinking if JYs prints were on the jewelry box - it shouldn't matter as he lived in the home. If there was a bloody print I could see wiping it off or taking the drawers possibly but it makes no sense to me if it is true. The only thing I can think is someone defintiely wanted LE to think robbery - again if this is true but I seriously doubt it is. I just don't picture an intruder taking the drawers, one would think he would just stuff the jewelry (if it was even taken) in his pockets and leave.

 

[jilly]

Hello Jilly !

I'm thinking if JYs prints were on the jewelry box - it shouldn't matter as he lived in the home. If there was a bloody print I could see wiping it off or taking the drawers possibly but it makes no sense to me if it is true. The only thing I can think is someone defintiely wanted LE to think robbery - again if this is true but I seriously doubt it is. I just don't picture an intruder taking the drawers, one would think he would just stuff the jewelry (if it was even taken) in his pockets and leave.

Yes I was thinking of bloody prints - I would think that the hand he used to beat her with would be covered in blood (shudder) and that afterwards he was in a panic state, shaking and just grabbed the drawers so as not to risk leaving bloody fingerprints in or on the drawers. I agree it doesn't make sense but this guy wasn't thinking right at this point imo. I mean the adrenelin would really be pumping you'd think.
I agree no intruder is going to take the drawers.

Hope you're having fun in Fla. I'm packing it in for tonite. See ya tomorrow!

 

[scandi]

Gees, wouldn't you think he'd remember if he laid a bloody palm on something? For them to take a palm print do you think it would have to be bloody? That would be the only way to know it was put there during the crime, right?

 

[AlfaGal]

Yes, that is exactly what I thought too Scandi. Either blood and or evidence detected with that machine of the palm print being wiped.

 

[strach304]

Considering the source big if here but if true that the drawers were missing wouldn't that be more in line with being done deliberately to call attention to the jewelry being taken to LE? Doesn't seem like Michelle was wearing her rings since it's not in the AR. Possibly a few reasons for the jewelry to be taken but who at that point was gonna know jewelry was gone? Jason isn't talking to LE and the wedding rings being gone would be obvious, no? I'm pretty sure my family and friends would notice my jewelry that I wear every day being gone but other valuable jewelry in my jewelry box they couldn't say. The idea with taking the drawers looks staged imo but the idea was to make LE assume a burglary right away.

Of other interest to note, in the Robb case and the other murder last week in NC. LE searched the area for stuff disposed of from those murders. Now we know they didn't find anything in the Robb case but the other one they did and close by at that. I personally don't see the killer covering himself to avoid blood but rather he just disposed of those clothes and weapon.

Another thought that bothers me is Jason taking a shower at whatever hotel he was at. The room would've already been cleaned by the time LE got there. Hotels use many disinfectants and bleach.

 

[nohat]

Maybe he was looking for her rings to put them back on her finger (didn't want it to look like there were any problems). Got prints on the drawers in the process & had to take them with him...

 

[5bigfish5]

Maybe he was looking for her rings to put them back on her finger (didn't want it to look like there were any problems). Got prints on the drawers in the process & had to take them with him...

Hi nohat,

(Cute nic)

I hope Michelle hocked them, but I guess that is too much to hope for.

Cheers!

 

[jilly]

Considering the source big if here but if true that the drawers were missing wouldn't that be more in line with being done deliberately to call attention to the jewelry being taken to LE? Doesn't seem like Michelle was wearing her rings since it's not in the AR. Possibly a few reasons for the jewelry to be taken but who at that point was gonna know jewelry was gone? Jason isn't talking to LE and the wedding rings being gone would be obvious, no? I'm pretty sure my family and friends would notice my jewelry that I wear every day being gone but other valuable jewelry in my jewelry box they couldn't say. The idea with taking the drawers looks staged imo but the idea was to make LE assume a burglary right away.

Of other interest to note, in the Robb case and the other murder last week in NC. LE searched the area for stuff disposed of from those murders. Now we know they didn't find anything in the Robb case but the other one they did and close by at that. I personally don't see the killer covering himself to avoid blood but rather he just disposed of those clothes and weapon.

Another thought that bothers me is Jason taking a shower at whatever hotel he was at. The room would've already been cleaned by the time LE got there. Hotels use many disinfectants and bleach.

Hi Strach! I can only draw from my personal experience with a burglary. The guy emptied our jewellry drawers and then threw them back on the dresser. That got my attention that our jewellry was gone.

It makes sense that he did not cover up and just disposed of everything along that Appalachian Trail as RC suggested.

The hotel is of no help imo - I don't think they knew of that until they searched his vehicle. JY wasn't talking from day 1.

On a side note, poster frenchbroad posted yesterday at CTV that JY was telling people up to 30 days prior to the murder that JY was telling people that Michelle kept calling him when he was out of town & saying that she could hear noises like someone breaking in.

Sounds like staging here to me. Premed. They had an alarm system that was not hooked up and a garage door that wasn't working. Seems that either Michelle or JY would have done something about it.

 

[scandi]

I agree with you Jill, and would further say I think this info put out by Frenchbroad {an insider with an agenda as she has thrown out other things too} is a big fat Red Herring! JTF had brought this up mud Nov when she first started posting.

Alarm not connected, garage door not functioning properly - both simple things to fix if they were concerned for safety. Also JY was gone a lot during Sept and Oct, either on the road working or on a couple of trips.

If Michelle really was concerned she would have just taken care of these two simple things. I work for ADT, and any dealer will get you going on service for $99 activation fee and $34.99 a month! Almost nothing.

 

[jilly]

I agree with you Jill, and would further say I think this info put out by Frenchbroad {an insider with an agenda as she has thrown out other things too} is a big fat Red Herring! JTF had brought this up mud Nov when she first started posting.

Alarm not connected, garage door not functioning properly - both simple things to fix if they were concerned for safety. Also JY was gone a lot during Sept and Oct, either on the road working or on a couple of trips.

If Michelle really was concerned she would have just taken care of these two simple things. I work for ADT, and any dealer will get you going on service for $99 activation fee and $34.99 a month! Almost nothing.

So are you saying that FB is a fraud? Today, s/he's brought up that he was complaining to female co-workers about his sx life. Said he told people at a trades convention. I thought that was a little suspect - way too similar to SP.

 

[curious1]

Maybe he was complaining about his sex life and that part is true and maybe he was saying the other things about MY being scared of someone breaking in and this was false. I can see how he could tell the truth about one thing and lie about something else. Not such a stretch. You know?

 

[jilly]

Maybe he was complaining about his sex life and that part is true and maybe he was saying the other things about MY being scared of someone breaking in and this was false. I can see how he could tell the truth about one thing and lie about something else. Not such a stretch. You know?

What gave me a little step back on that comment was the Trades Convention. We all knew about SP and what he did at his convention (HB). There are so many similarities in this case but this is really eerie if this did in fact happen imo.

But I get your point about lying and telling the truth. Actually I can see that he was having a problem with his sx life - he pursued MM.