Michelle Young. Murdered Pregnant Mom, NC Part 13

[caffeinatd]

Hi Caffeinatd. Thanks for thinking of us. There was an interesting conversation around post #65, in case you missed it.

Sorry, I hadn't seen this already posted., Does anyone know how far behind SBI really is?

 

[scandi]

Hi Cafeinatd,

Thanks for the link sweetie. I was amazed that this quite small dept has gone to the effort to have such a sophisticated web site. My opera singing brother just had a gig in Raleigh {think I posted about this before ;} but he was very impressed with the city and of course the campus of Duke where they had a concert in their cathedral. I guess the church is absolutely special, so it goes without saying this whole area does spark hard working people into great things.

I believe I read that SBI is 7 months behind. But someone posted somewhere that they do put rapes, murders, etc as a priority before other cases.


PS: Did you notice that electrostatic print analyzer on your link Cafeinatd. I think it must be an exceptional tool, and wonder if they used that in analyzing the adult footprints that there must have been at the scene.

Sorry to digress here, but I just think there are a couple of things forensics found at the crime scene that were evidence of JY's presence there. None of them on their own are either conclusive enough to warrant an arrest, but when everything is added up together, don't you think they should be right about there in having a solid airtight case?

 

[close_enough]

It seems very odd that he would be going to his parents on a big game weekend when his friends are arriving on the Friday to stay with them. To help me figure out how this murder went down it would help me to know when he let his parents know that he was coming.
If he phoned his parents a few days beforehand then I think he planned the whole thing (to murder her). What better time than this particular weekend with his friends coming.
If he phoned his parents Thurs nite or Friday morning then I agree with RCs theory.

yes, yes......& i'd like to know the actual time this 'document' was printed "from the computer in the home"....the document was found on the printer, right?...it didn't state IN the printer...ugh :doh: i can't remember, but i think i'm right......

 

[close_enough]

Sorry, I hadn't seen this already posted., Does anyone know how far behind SBI really is?

i don't.....it's been 16 weeks, today...

 

[jilly]

yes, yes......& i'd like to know the actual time this 'document' was printed "from the computer in the home"....the document was found on the printer, right?...it didn't state IN the printer...ugh :doh: i can't remember, but i think i'm right......

Hiya Close! I don't remember either!! I should have kept a notebook! I think it's just fantastic that RPD got the Hotel!! LOL - 2 1/2 hr head start!

I think they're going to solve this case!!

 

[close_enough]

Hiya Close! I don't remember either!! I should have kept a notebook! I think it's just fantastic that RPD got the Hotel!! LOL - 2 1/2 hr head start!
I think they're going to solve this case!!

...pretty much what we all figured...not far away....thanks so much for responding to me Jilly...i didn't know that!!

 

[strach304]

Strach,

I tend to think that Michelle did somehow find out about MM, but I just don't know about this pregnancy thing. No thoughts on it really as I tend to see it as outside the "box" of this case - don't know why I think that, just do. What I project is a young woman who really wanted family and lost a baby sometime in June - the emotions of that have to be overwhelming. Then quickly gets pregnant again so another layer of emotions is added on top of that. Then the husband decides to foot the bill for himself and three others, maybe more, for a vacation from one side of the country to the other against the best wishes of the young woman - another layer.

Then the husband takes another job which allows him great distance and travel away from home when his wife needs his emotional support, he starts some kind of relationship with a woman who is conveniently in another state (this makes zero sense to me in terms of calling it a serious relationship by either party). I don't know, but I see a lot of things being thrown at Michelle very quickly and while I am not a big fan of therapy - I can see how she might have needed help at some point to deal with all of it, especially if she felt JY was going outside the marriage.

As you know - I never saw the trip to Brevard as a matter of convenience but rather necessity. I think it was either arranged Thursday evening or Friday morning. I also don't believe there was a conventional meeting scheduled - maybe drop bys to visit but not really meetings. Not sure it was part of a murder plan as much as a need to be away from Michelle until the company arrived. Returning home on Saturday for the big game and with company already at the house - JY could minimize any potential contact and/or confrontation with Michelle. See where I'm going, I'm still not sure he concocted some big plan over time to kill his wife.

I do think there was some form of confrontation that spurred him to return to Raleigh the night Michelle was killed, perhaps a phone call. He was only 2.5 hours away - if he told her his plans she may well have told him not to return period. If I was 2.5 hours from my wife and she was po'd with me during a phone call - I 'd go home to try and resolve the problem...just saying.

Trying to catch up here RC, that's all stuff that would upset Michelle more so than Jason and even the threat of leaving him over an affair shouldn't push things to the extreme that resulted imo. In my mind there's more. I've never thought it was premeditated since too much looks like it wasn't. If Jason didn't know he got MM pregnant but MM called Michelle that night that would've totally blindsided him I am also now of the opinion that Michelle told the therapist of instances where Jason slapped her, minimum and maybe it was progressing just not at the point she'd be sporting black eyes to work. That's not something most women confide in friends and family if you aren't prepared to leave right then or say you're afraid your father will kill them and he'd be in jail.

We have heard he didn't want to be married therefore I don't see him wigging out over the divorce and Cassidy because even as a proven adulterer he could still get joint custody. How would that change if he was known as a physical abuser? I can tell you but I think we know. If that came out his family and friends would then know too. Cops said he wasn't a nice guy so to me that fits more with domestic violence than cheating. A poster on the ctv board brought up Michelle recording her therapy sessions which made me wonder if that's what the cassette tape was listed in the search warrant.

We've been told MM is pregnant but also that her and her husband have been trying for awhile. Could be the excuse she gave her husband for the affair, she wanted a baby. Don't know just saying, nothing would surprise me. The phone call and fight could've been about this. Even the affair alone with everything else coming her way I would've been totally done with him, yet she's the one in therapy?

 

[caffeinatd]

Hi Cafeinatd,

Thanks for the link sweetie. I was amazed that this quite small dept has gone to the effort to have such a sophisticated web site. My opera singing brother just had a gig in Raleigh {think I posted about this before ;} but he was very impressed with the city and of course the campus of Duke where they had a concert in their cathedral. I guess the church is absolutely special, so it goes without saying this whole area does spark hard working people into great things.

I believe I read that SBI is 7 months behind. But someone posted somewhere that they do put rapes, murders, etc as a priority before other cases.


PS: Did you notice that electrostatic print analyzer on your link Cafeinatd. I think it must be an exceptional tool, and wonder if they used that in analyzing the adult footprints that there must have been at the scene.

Sorry to digress here, but I just think there are a couple of things forensics found at the crime scene that were evidence of JY's presence there. None of them on their own are either conclusive enough to warrant an arrest, but when everything is added up together, don't you think they should be right about there in having a solid airtight case?

YW, Duke Chapel is beautiful, I live in Durham, and have attended a few times, it is overwhelming for my kids, since our church is small. Christmas Eve is wonderful there.
Yes, I saw that machine...I really think it will be a link to JY. Hence...the foot castings they did of him,. But, I was unsure if it detected bloody footprints different than regular. I would assume he would have foot prints in the room b/c he lived there. JMOO

 

[fran]

Thanks to all who've contributed information. So much LE has to work with. Wow!

I still think this was a premeditated murder, just like any of the other 'pregnant wife - husband did its' we've seen before.

Each one of the cases we've watched and studied had their own dynamics. This one does too. But it doesn't change the end result, IMHO, $$, unwanted pregnancy by the husband, adultry, wife planning a divorce, wife ends up dead or missing.

In the end, it's all about CONTROL.

JMHO
fran

 

[raisincharlie]

Trying to catch up here RC, that's all stuff that would upset Michelle more so than Jason and even the threat of leaving him over an affair shouldn't push things to the extreme that resulted imo. In my mind there's more. I've never thought it was premeditated since too much looks like it wasn't. If Jason didn't know he got MM pregnant but MM called Michelle that night that would've totally blindsided him I am also now of the opinion that Michelle told the therapist of instances where Jason slapped her, minimum and maybe it was progressing just not at the point she'd be sporting black eyes to work. That's not something most women confide in friends and family if you aren't prepared to leave right then or say you're afraid your father will kill them and he'd be in jail.

We have heard he didn't want to be married therefore I don't see him wigging out over the divorce and Cassidy because even as a proven adulterer he could still get joint custody. How would that change if he was known as a physical abuser? I can tell you but I think we know. If that came out his family and friends would then know too. Cops said he wasn't a nice guy so to me that fits more with domestic violence than cheating. A poster on the ctv board brought up Michelle recording her therapy sessions which made me wonder if that's what the cassette tape was listed in the search warrant.

We've been told MM is pregnant but also that her and her husband have been trying for awhile. Could be the excuse she gave her husband for the affair, she wanted a baby. Don't know just saying, nothing would surprise me. The phone call and fight could've been about this. Even the affair alone with everything else coming her way I would've been totally done with him, yet she's the one in therapy?

Not knowing a lot - but realizing that JY grew up surrounded by women, who I tend to believe catered to him as the only male in the family - I can invision any lack or percieved lack of waiting on him hand and foot may draw a physical reaction after a while. It would not surprise me if he was both mentally and physically abusive. His actions that we do know of do not in my mind reach toward respect for women. JMO.

 

[jilly]

Strach Very interesting. Good point about the cassette tape because who has cassette tapes handy these days?
So did I miss something? Is it rumor that MM is pregnant with JYs baby??

 

[nanandjim]

This is why I love the fact that LE is keeping everything close to the vest. These people are more hungrier for information than we are to the point of exasperation and nervous wrecks. We can see that because everytime they're up against the wall another boulder is hurled at Meredith.

As each day goes by it gives me pleasure to think that JY has sweated out another one. That "crying towel" must be pretty wet by now!!

I think that police could have used luminol and know what the killer did in the home. There could be JY's footprints leading to Cassidy's bedroom door. What if Cassidy remained asleep and he checked on her before he got into the shower and before he left the house. Or, what if JY did take Cassidy into the bathroom to clean her feet and then return her to her bed? Following the steps of the killer will help police narrow down the suspects. Were the killer's footsteps deliberate as if he were familiar with the house or were they random walking everywhere because he was unfamiliar? (Saw something similar on CTV )

I wonder if JY has called the police to see if they have any leads on finding the killer or is he staying away like Scott Peterson did? It has to be driving him crazy if he has not called. I would think that a family member would question his not calling the police. I guess that they will rationalize it, saying that he wants to call but didn't do so because of his attorney's advice or because the police suspect him. If it were I, I would be helping the police and calling. Heck, they probably would "block" my number.

If the police did suspect me after the initial elimination of the inside circle, I probably would hire an attorney for advice. However, I would have also taken a lie detector test and answered any and all questions. A person who has nothing to hide hides nothing.

I read some posts that say that JY paid for a vacation to CA for several people. He actually picked up the tab??!! Did MY go on the trip??!! I think that we all know that young people just do not have the resources to pick up anyone's tab.

My husband and I pick up the vacation tabs for our children until they finish college. After that, we pay for dinners, but we don't normally pay for an entire vacation for the grown children who are married, out of school and/or working.

I can tell you that I would be more than mad if my husband took a vacation (was it w/o MY?) and also paid for his friends. This would be the final straw for me. It would show me the writing on the wall. Goodbye and good riddance!!

 

[jilly]

I think that police could have used luminol and know what the killer did in the home. There could be JY's footprints leading to Cassidy's bedroom door. What if Cassidy remained asleep and he checked on her before he got into the shower and before he left the house. Or, what if JY did take Cassidy into the bathroom to clean her feet and then return her to her bed? Following the steps of the killer will help police narrow down the suspects. Were the killer's footsteps deliberate as if he were familiar with the house or were they random walking everywhere because he was unfamiliar? (Saw something similar on CTV )

I wonder if JY has called the police to see if they have any leads on finding the killer or is he staying away like Scott Peterson did? It has to be driving him crazy if he has not called. I would think that a family member would question his not calling the police. I guess that they will rationalize it, saying that he wants to call but didn't do so because of his attorney's advice or because the police suspect him. If it were I, I would be helping the police and calling. Heck, they probably would "block" my number.

If the police did suspect me after the initial elimination of the inside circle, I probably would hire an attorney for advice. However, I would have also taken a lie detector test and answered any and all questions. A person who has nothing to hide hides nothing.

I read some posts that say that JY paid for a vacation to CA for several people. He actually picked up the tab??!! Did MY go on the trip??!! I think that we all know that young people just do not have the resources to pick up anyone's tab.

My husband and I pick up the vacation tabs for our children until they finish college. After that, we pay for dinners, but we don't normally pay for an entire vacation for the grown children who are married, out of school and/or working.

I can tell you that I would be more than mad if my husband took a vacation (was it w/o MY?) and also paid for his friends. This would be the final straw for me. It would show me the writing on the wall. Goodbye and good riddance!!

That is a very interesting point about deliberate/random footprints. Never would have thought of that.

Yes, JY did apparently pick up the tab for this Ca trip (his mother, sister & brother-in-law) and that's what apparently irked Michelle not the fact that he just went away with them. She had just spent 2 wks with her mother in NY and a supposed insider is saying she had no vacation time left to go with him.

I don't know what to think about this family but in general, I don't think any family wants to believe that their son/brother had anything to do with this horrible murder. I think they might be content, at the present time, (it's some comfort to them) to leave it at that. I would imagine that they are very scared too. One poster at CTV has said that JYs family is an honest family. I'm not at the point yet to compare them with the Petersons'. JYs mother is a teacher and I have a gut feeling that she will be able to put 2+2 together when more info comes out. Looks like she may have problems with her blood pressure too, so I hope she is going to be ok.

 

[nanandjim]

Something like this?? about halfway down the page

http://www.crimeandclues.com/news.htm

I think that LE used some type of laser device (perhaps, this one) to obtain a bloody fingerprint of Paul Cortez, the guy that was convicted of murdering the exotic dancer from Ohio, Catherine Woods. His defense tried to argue that this laser evidence wasn't reliable or something like that. I believe that this fingerprint was under blood and couldn't even be seen with conventional standards.

 

[nanandjim]

...I just don't picture an intruder taking the drawers, one would think he would just stuff the jewelry (if it was even taken) in his pockets and leave.

I agree. A burglar turned vicious murderer would want to make his "load" as light as possible (I would think). I guess that taking the drawers meant that he put them in some type of bag and carried them to his vehicle. I've just never heard of a thief taking jewelry box drawers.

 

[panthera]

I agree. A burglar turned vicious murderer would want to make his "load" as light as possible (I would think). I guess that taking the drawers meant that he put them in some type of bag and carried them to his vehicle. I've just never heard of a thief taking jewelry box drawers.

I don't in any way believe this was a burglary gone bad. If the drawers to the jewelry chest are missing then it seems it would be more because the killers hands may have had blood on them and he didn't want to touch the jewelry, if there was anything of value there to begin with. This really looks more like a cover-up for the murder to give LE the impression there was another motive.

It's sad that LE doesn't have enough evidence to make an arrest yet.

 

[caffeinatd]

I don't in any way believe this was a burglary gone bad. If the drawers to the jewelry chest are missing then it seems it would be more because the killers hands may have had blood on them and he didn't want to touch the jewelry, if there was anything of value there to begin with. This really looks more like a cover-up for the murder to give LE the impression there was another motive.

It's sad that LE doesn't have enough evidence to make an arrest yet.

I wonder if after review of the transcribed notes of the therapist, if it will make it to a gj this week? HOPE SO JMOO

 

[panthera]

I wonder if after review of the transcribed notes of the therapist, if it will make it to a gj this week? HOPE SO JMOO

I would hope that there's enough to get a grand jury indictment.

 

[Kadie]

WOW.....is it gettin' crazy over at CTV! :doh:

 

[Samiya]

WOW.....is it gettin' crazy over at CTV! :doh:

LMAO it's always crazy over at ctv.

Makes for a good soapie though...sure beats Days of our lives, but you have to sort through the rubbish to find the good posters.


Sami