Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 18

[harleysnana]

another question I have, is this something that can be "retraced" if the body is exhumed ( sp ) ?
sami???

I'm not sami... but after reading this in the article...
"Investigators, however, do have other methods of obtaining the evidence."
...I think it could be retraced.

I would also bet that Michelle’s family would gladly exhume the body
for the testing.

 

[scandi]

Hi Charlie, I did ask that question once of Jake and he responded, saying he thought it was a beige plush.

Scandi

 

[scandi]

I'm not sami... but after reading this in the article...
"Investigators, however, do have other methods of obtaining the evidence."
...I think it could be retraced.

I would also bet that Michelle’s family would gladly exhume the body
for the testing.

Hi Harleysnana, If there were no swabs taken and her panties showed nothing, then I wonder what other ways, besides exhumatioin, would give the correct answer?

A little thought here upon my reflection of this situation that now is with the case. Thinking of the future victims which will undoubtedly face the knife of the autopsy specialist in Wake County, I hope this aggregious problem in the ME's office will be addressed and changed as to how they do things.

I really admire Hawthorne for going out on a limb to point out the difference between this autopsy report and that of Mrs Peterson.

 

[Samiya]

I'm sure it can be misread. Did you notice the color of the carpeting ?

yeah

I got an email from Sarah. Her article will be out either tomorrow or the weekend.

Sami.

 

[april4sky]

I find this case very disturbing. Such a brutal murder and yet nothing seems to be happening. The police sounded so confinent in the beginning that they would solve it. There seems to be a lack of publicity too. I'm surprised the press are not all over it. Jason's strange behaviour, from his total lack of concern for his wife, to his refusal to cooperate with the police make him sound like Scott Peterson 2. I do hope there will be justice for Michelle soon.

 

[scandi]

Good Morning,

In the last link posted, in the comment section that follows, I found this comment which is most interesting. It sounds like this person is very knowledgable:

"One of the biggest problems is this... Wake CO SO is investigating the case and CCBI is collecting evidence. If the same LE Agency was handling all of this, this would not have been overlooked. As commented before, the investigator would have attended the autopsy and make sure evidence was collected. CCBI has made LEOs in Wake County very lazy and very unaware of how to properly treat a crime scene. However, I am curious why a Dr. would overrule a request for the collection of evidence. Even if there are no immediate signs of sexual assault, that tissue could always be used in other tests.


MadSkills
May 4, 2007 6:14 a.m."

http://wral.com/news/local/story/1381989/

 

[strach304]

Has anyone here seen the warrant that listed the condoms LE took? If not I'm wondering why we haven't seen it. Not returned, under seal, what? Did I miss something? I know the recent source of this info here.

What concerns me is if that info proves to be correct then possibly the sheets, etc. were not taken from the crime scene as that same source told us. It's safe to assume that Jason's attorney hired an investigator who did take them and have them tested. Even if those tests revealed nothing conclusive.

We're pretty sure Jason hasn't been back to the house so he personally couldn't plant evidence like the fragment of tooth. I did consider at one time a sexual assault because there was a supposed insider that claimed Michelle was found nude so that is what LE originally assumed. After the AR we know that's not true. She wouldn't have to have actually been assaulted for that to be the motive or staged to look like that. LE has said there was a struggle and they believe the perp may have been injured. I've read several opinions based on the defensive wounds as to how hard Michelle fought her attacker but we just can't know if she hit them with something. I have the impression they haven't found the murder weapon therefore if it has blood or other dna other than Michelle's that's no help to LE.

If unidentified fingerprints or dna of any kind was found LE cannot be sure imo until they find that person or persons that it belongs to in ruling Jason out entirely. I've often wondered in this day and age where dna is relied on so heavily how many criminals have actually planted dna.

 

[strach304]

Another thought I had last night as a possibility is that Ms. Holt was preparing her case and came across this and looked into it. This is the first time she's made any comment on this case to the media. We know she's the one who went directly to the crime scene. Many are speculating about the timing and relevance of this latest info released so maybe an arrest is near.

 

[jake]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney Fife
Jake,

One your former students, Tennisbuff, is really on your case over at CTV. Bottom line is she does not believe a thing you say.

Thanks, Barney. I can tell you're trying to make me feel good.

What can I say? She can write. She can read. She's a professional. She thinks for herself. I did my job.

--Jake

I am reposting this just to remind the board that I don't mind being called a liar. People think what they want to think. The downright rude posters I simply put on ignore.

Some of us-- me, Hawthorne, jtf, gojo, etc.-- questioned from the beginning what we saw as an INCOMPLETE autopsy report. I reposted Hawthorne's report maybe twice over the last six months, just to remind people.

I also have on file another poster's repudiation of Hawthorne's report, and I have also reposted that, just to be fair.

Maybe we were wrong. Maybe we did see a COMPLETE autopsy report. That's scary.

--Jake

 

[jake]

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Has anyone here seen the warrant that listed the condoms LE took? If not I'm wondering why we haven't seen it. Not returned, under seal, what? Did I miss something? I know the recent source of this info here.

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I'm curious, too, as to why that information is not listed in a warrant available to us. That's not where I got the information. I don't know why the item was taken, what significance it has. Maybe none.

But I agree with you, Strach. Always consider the source.

--Jake

 

[scandi]

Another thought I had last night as a possibility is that Ms. Holt was preparing her case and came across this and looked into it. This is the first time she's made any comment on this case to the media. We know she's the one who went directly to the crime scene. Many are speculating about the timing and relevance of this latest info released so maybe an arrest is near.

I still think it is just too coincidental that we were given a one-upance here about news to break in the case within a day or two and then bingo, the can of worms about the no rape kit testing is out. Actually I'm glad that info came to light so something will be done to rectify it. If it means the difference in a death penalty qualified case, then whatever they have to do will be done I am sure. I'm glad to see Becky is still on the case. I do feel for Michelle's family if they have to go thru a disinternment.

I still can't get past the thought of someone having the gaul to take something from a crime scene, even if it has been cleared, and not giving the item over to LE. It's just not right. We don't know why they took the item and can only speculate. To me it is almost like walking up to a statue symbolizing justice, and slapping her in the face.

Scandi

 

[spring]

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I still can't get past the thought of someone having the gaul to take something from a crime scene, even if it has been cleared, and not giving the item over to LE. It's just not right. We don't know why they took the item and can only speculate. To me it is almost like walking up to a statue symbolizing justice, and slapping her in the face.

Scandi

i agree. it doesn't surprise me from that source. i just really believe in things coming full circle.

 

[scandi]

I'm optimistic they will Spring. Eventually I think the perp will pay for a few moments lost in a hot rage, one that has affected the lives of so many people.

So I wonder whatever was done with the bloody socks and sheets? That is such a puzzle to me as I can't see CCBI just leaving bloody material behind that might have fibres or DNA attached. I wonder if LE was called about that and retreived them. Of course they would be contaminated evidence if touched by someone other than LE. What a pickle of fish this is!

Scandi

 

[jake]

I still think it is just too coincidental that we were given a one-upance here about news to break in the case within a day or two and then bingo, the can of worms about the no rape kit testing is out. Actually I'm glad that info came to light so something will be done to rectify it. If it means the difference in a death penalty qualified case, then whatever they have to do will be done I am sure. I'm glad to see Becky is still on the case. I do feel for Michelle's family if they have to go thru a disinternment.

I still can't get past the thought of someone having the gaul to take something from a crime scene, even if it has been cleared, and not giving the item over to LE. It's just not right. We don't know why they took the item and can only speculate. To me it is almost like walking up to a statue symbolizing justice, and slapping her in the face.

Scandi

That would be presumptuous of you, Scandi. It would be a slap in the face of LE for you to offer what you think is evidence. An insult. Why not just give it to your lawyer?

--Jake

 

[spring]

I'm optimistic they will Spring. Eventually I think the perp will pay for a few moments lost in a hot rage, one that has affected the lives of so many people.

So I wonder whatever was done with the bloody socks and sheets? That is such a puzzle to me as I can't see CCBI just leaving bloody material behind that might have fibres or DNA attached. I wonder if LE was called about that and retreived them. Of course they would be contaminated evidence if touched by someone other than LE. What a pickle of fish this is!

Scandi

i wonder if there is a presumptive test for blood type that could have been done on it that showed it was her blood? and fibers taken from the scene? surely there is a method to the madness on this case!

 

[scandi]

Hi Spring, The first post here tells about strips used at the scene as presumptive tests:

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=297080

Maybe they did this and they came back negative for sperm so thaqt is why they didn't do the rape kit tests after all. It will all come out.


Hi Jake, The deal is that it is up to LE to solve the crime even if they have made a mistake. The job of the lawyer is to make sure his client gets a fair trial. I think the days of our friend Matlock are over, with the expectations of the lawyer going out and discovering the truth to set his client free.

Gosh, it is a sad comment to say, but I don't think lawyers really care about justice for the victim in a case when they represent the defense. Their legal concern is simply proper justice for their client!

 

[jake]

ME and LE are both in CYA mode. LE says it checked the paper asking for the sex test. ME says that doesn't mean the check mark was seen or the action performed.

I think both are at fault. Before the body was released, LE should have studied the AR to see if it contained the information they needed. Why wasn't that done? They knew who killed Michelle.

I have also heard the embarrassment is only going to get worse for LE. That's just my opinion, of course, and all that jazz.

Another opinion: LE will soon apologize to the Young family. LE's treatment of Mrs. Young and her family has been unbelievably rude.

--Jake

 

[jake]

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Hi Jake, The deal is that it is up to LE to solve the crime even if they have made a mistake. The job of the lawyer is to make sure his client gets a fair trial. I think the days of our friend Matlock are over, with the expectations of the lawyer going out and discovering the truth to set his client free.

Gosh, it is a sad comment to say, but I don't think lawyers really care about justice for the victim in a case when they represent the defense. Their legal concern is simply proper justice for their client!

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And it should be....what?

--Jake

 

[BarnGoddess]

ME and LE are both in CYA mode. LE says it checked the paper asking for the sex test. ME says that doesn't mean the check mark was seen or the action performed.

I think both are at fault. Before the body was released, LE should have studied the AR to see if it contained the information they needed. Why wasn't that done? They knew who killed Michelle.

I have also heard the embarrassment is only going to get worse for LE. That's just my opinion, of course, and all that jazz.

Another opinion: LE will soon apologize to the Young family. LE's treatment of Mrs. Young and her family has been unbelievably rude.

--Jake

How can you say that LE's treatment of Mrs. Young and her family has been rude? Which Mrs. Young are you referring to here? The deceased? JY's mother? If JY hasn't responded to LE's request, how can there be rudeness? It appears as if there is no communication at all. LE isn't saying anything to the media other than he hasn't cooperated. What more is there you aren't telling us. Do they call obsessively and hassle the family? Do tell, please.

I would imagine if she were raped and the perp then redressed her body he wouldn't have bothered to clean her up. I would assume that LE or the ME still has her underwear and could get a clue from them if a rape occured.

 

[strach304]

I still think it is just too coincidental that we were given a one-upance here about news to break in the case within a day or two and then bingo, the can of worms about the no rape kit testing is out. Actually I'm glad that info came to light so something will be done to rectify it. If it means the difference in a death penalty qualified case, then whatever they have to do will be done I am sure. I'm glad to see Becky is still on the case. I do feel for Michelle's family if they have to go thru a disinternment.

I still can't get past the thought of someone having the gaul to take something from a crime scene, even if it has been cleared, and not giving the item over to LE. It's just not right. We don't know why they took the item and can only speculate. To me it is almost like walking up to a statue symbolizing justice, and slapping her in the face.

Scandi

My hope is that if anything was found and tested or examined for evidence that they felt LE overlooked they would turn it over to LE in the name of justice.

I personally have no stake in this case or who the perp turns out to be even if that is Jason. I will however be very upset if there never is justice for Michelle and to know that the perp of this horrendous crime is still out there.