Michelle Young: Pregnant Mom, NC. part 8

[scandi]

Good Morning. Yes it was Fussell. Good work guys!~

What I noticed is that one thing on that Dell was correspondence with insurance co's. That rules out then what we've been thinking, that he fudged an insurance doc, right?

The article Sami posted on the Warrant thread doesn't mention that JY stopped in Brevard and picked up his 3 family members before driving back to Raleigh. Maybe that's not imp[ortant.

And Sami, thanks for that insight on the autopsy. Hope they don't seal it. Last night I watched a Daryl Himnan crime show, and the mother had been violently murdered like Michelle with hits to the back of the head and her face. In drawing up her profile, Daryl said this was someone very close to the woman as the scene showed a violent rage. Turns out it was the ex hubby! They showed the scene with blood everywhere, and I could not believe the mess.

My shoulder is killing me - I am sure a nerve is suppressed in my socket as my hand keeps tingling. So I probably won't post a whole lot today, but I'll be here reading. OMG, I'm now thinking I have spent too much time on the computer lately with my arm in that one position!

Scandi

 

[raisincharlie]

Good Morning. Yes it was Fussell. Good work guys!~

What I noticed is that one thing on that Dell was correspondence with insurance co's. That rules out then what we've been thinking, that he fudged an insurance doc, right?

The article Sami posted on the Warrant thread doesn't mention that JY stopped in Brevard and picked up his 3 family members before driving back to Raleigh. Maybe that's not imp[ortant.

And Sami, thanks for that insight on the autopsy. Hope they don't seal it. Last night I watched a Daryl Himnan crime show, and the mother had been violently murdered like Michelle with hits to the back of the head and her face. In drawing up her profile, Daryl said this was someone very close to the woman as the scene showed a violent rage. Turns out it was the ex hubby! They showed the scene with blood everywhere, and I could not believe the mess.

My shoulder is killing me - I am sure a nerve is suppressed in my socket as my hand keeps tingling. So I probably won't post a whole lot today, but I'll be here reading. OMG, I'm now thinking I have spent too much time on the computer lately with my arm in that one position!

Scandi

Its magic ! Have been thinking of you (good thoughts I promise) and here you are !

 

[strach304]

RC, from what I remember it was the bil, sister and mother. No father. That info in the warrant on the laptop where it states corroboration with evidence and witnesses, etc. may be in line with the fax. Since we're also on the subject of that cell phone with all the whistles and bells just wanted to remind everyone that my daughter told me you can fax from these new phones.

 

[strach304]

Sami, there was a case I was recently reading about where a drowning took place but the toxicology that did show drugs took over 2 months, almost 3 for the results.

I personally think in this case LE doesn't have the forensics back at least not everything. Seems like there would be a lot in this case anyway with such a bloody crime scene.

Anyone ever think the reason LE knew it wasn't random from the get-go is because there was evidence of an attempted clean up in the home? As well as the weapon missing.

 

[raisincharlie]

Sami, there was a case I was recently reading about where a drowning took place but the toxicology that did show drugs took over 2 months, almost 3 for the results.

I personally think in this case LE doesn't have the forensics back at least not everything. Seems like there would be a lot in this case anyway with such a bloody crime scene.

Anyone ever think the reason LE knew it wasn't random from the get-go is because there was evidence of an attempted clean up in the home? As well as the weapon missing.

Strach,

This random -vs- non-random issue is puzzling. I think back to Dyleski and he did make an attempt to clean some things related to the crime before he left the scene, no specific weapon was found for the blows which actually killed PV and the knife found in Dyleski's belongings was never clearly identified as being the knife involved in the stabbing and carving. Defintely a rageful, personal type of killing but the CCCo sheriff never called this a non-random crime.

I'm not sure but I suspect there must have been several reasons for LE to say this was a non-random crime or, there was only one reason and it was not a material, physical, reason. JMO

 

[Samiya]

And Sami, thanks for that insight on the autopsy. Hope they don't seal it. Last night I watched a Daryl Himnan crime show, and the mother had been violently murdered like Michelle with hits to the back of the head and her face. In drawing up her profile, Daryl said this was someone very close to the woman as the scene showed a violent rage. Turns out it was the ex hubby! They showed the scene with blood everywhere, and I could not believe the mess.

Scandi

You're welcome Scandi re the AR. I also hope they don't seal it!

As for Mr Fussell..........

If he has said that there was a specific amount of luggage that Jason TOOK with him, the I certainly have at least 5 questions I'd like answered........

FriendS over to watch GA.....
1 Was he one of the 'friends' over for GA?
2 Did Jason leave while they were there?
3 If not, how does Mr Fussell KNOW how much Jason took?

FrienD of to watch GA.......
4 Did Mr Fussell get that information from the 'friend' (if only one person to watch GA) who was there?
5 Did Jason leave while the 'friend' was there with Michelle?

It certainly doesn't seem like something that would've been casually discussed at a funeral......as in "oh and I took exey amount of luggage"

Curious now
Sami

 

[scandi]

That is what he said though, that JY had talked to him at the funeral!

Sami, did you find Fussell's exact quote over at CTV? I thought he said he took several suitcases with him. It wasn't bags, but when I read it it implied to me the standard size suitcase.

 

[raisincharlie]

That is what he said though, that JY had talked to him at the funeral!

I recall Fussell saying JY told him things at the funeral - and I got to say, it seems to me to be more an awareness of guilt thing to me - why the heck, if one is so distraught over loosing their wife and falling to their knees, plumb to their knees, would they be telling this guy at a funeral that he left Thursday nite to get a headstart on a trip to Virginia ? Crazy and certainly not overly distraught IMO - more like CYA conversation - JMO.

 

[strach304]

Ok call me slow but I'm not getting the one reason, not physical clue?
I don't think it would be out of the ordinary for a stranger to clean themselves up from such a horrific crime and even take the weapon with them in case of forensics. In the event there had been a fight with things thrown and busted before the actual murder I can see that person wanting to cover it up. Specifically wedding photos and or wedding rings that would indicate a very specific person. The lamp as the weapon would show a higher probability of a known assailant rather than say a hammer taken from the garage. In the Harvey case they came in with guns but used a hammer from the victims home that they left at the crime scene.

 

[strach304]

I recall Fussell saying JY told him things at the funeral - and I got to say, it seems to me to be more an awareness of guilt thing to me - why the heck, if one is so distraught over loosing their wife and falling to their knees, plumb to their knees, would they be telling this guy at a funeral that he left Thursday nite to get a headstart on a trip to Virginia ? Crazy and certainly not overly distraught IMO - more like CYA conversation - JMO.

Very good point and remember exactly how the paper quoted him in saying "he snuck out for a business trip"?
That wording struck all of us as odd at the time and I still think until I know otherwise that Fussel was repeating what was said to him and not his own twist. More indicative at the time Jason was going for a business meeting and coming right back like he wouldn't be gone long enough to even be missed and then he suddenly ends up visiting family in Brevard from there? Haven't seen one person acknowledge the trip to Brevard being pre-planned. Only reason Meredith knew was because of the voicemail imo.

 

[raisincharlie]

Ok call me slow but I'm not getting the one reason, not physical clue?
I don't think it would be out of the ordinary for a stranger to clean themselves up from such a horrific crime and even take the weapon with them in case of forensics. In the event there had been a fight with things thrown and busted before the actual murder I can see that person wanting to cover it up. Specifically wedding photos and or wedding rings that would indicate a very specific person. The lamp as the weapon would show a higher probability of a known assailant rather than say a hammer taken from the garage. In the Harvey case they came in with guns but used a hammer from the victims home that they left at the crime scene.

Cassidy - at her age, she does not know what a lie is let alone be able to form one.

I don't think a certain amount of cleanup would be indicative of a known person or stranger either. In this case we do know from the first warrant - three wedding photos were collected as evidence.

 

[raisincharlie]

Very good point and remember exactly how the paper quoted him in saying "he snuck out for a business trip"?
That wording struck all of us as odd at the time and I still think until I know otherwise that Fussel was repeating what was said to him and not his own twist. More indicative at the time Jason was going for a business meeting and coming right back like he wouldn't be gone long enough to even be missed and then he suddenly ends up visiting family in Brevard from there? Haven't seen one person acknowledge the trip to Brevard being pre-planned. Only reason Meredith knew was because of the voicemail imo.

Spot on Strach ! If JY was actually in VA for business - he didn't swing by his folks because it was close. I am of the opinion this trip to Brevard was more a spur of the moment thing or maybe the day before at the earliest - but nothing planned well in advanced. None of the insiders that I recall indicated it was a planned trip or even broached the subject of some special family event at the time that would warrant a drive from VA to Brevard.

 

[BarnGoddess]

In this line of thinking, would the trip to Brevard an impromtu thought? Let's say the trip to his parent's not planned originially. Could there have been an argument, he left for the meeting, but drove around getting angrier and angrier, went back to confront her, killed her, then had to do some planning. Cover tracks, let's say. Find a "gift" on the net, maybe at a motel that had free wireless, fax it back, call MF the next day, then panic sets in and he goes to his comfort zone. That I would guess be his parents. I mean, after all his step father was really quick to get him a lawyer.

Help me here, if we know now he came back to Raleigh on the 3rd, was the attorney engaged before he made the trip back or before he left Brevard?

 

[strach304]

BG, because of the way the first reports came out it was worded that he was out of town on business and visiting family in Brevard so that's where so much of the convenience theory came from until it was known his business was in Va. Many of us intially mapped out all kinds of Virginia locations to try and get close to Brevard but since then haven't come up with anything that would make that visit fall in line with the business. There was also a game scheduled for Saturday that he surely would've wanted to attend. I know the original reports stated he was going to visit his parents for the weekend. What pieces are there do not make sense and the only people who can say for sure when Jason arranged a visit will probably not talk. Much of what you are asking is how I see it could've happened but even if it was a premeditated plan it looks like something went wrong in much the same way as the SP case where he had to change alibi's.

 

[strach304]

Be back later, Happy New Year everyone :blowkiss:

 

[BarnGoddess]

BG, because of the way the first reports came out it was worded that he was out of town on business and visiting family in Brevard so that's where so much of the convenience theory came from until it was known his business was in Va. Many of us intially mapped out all kinds of Virginia locations to try and get close to Brevard but since then haven't come up with anything that would make that visit fall in line with the business. There was also a game scheduled for Saturday that he surely would've wanted to attend. I know the original reports stated he was going to visit his parents for the weekend. What pieces are there do not make sense and the only people who can say for sure when Jason arranged a visit will probably not talk. Much of what you are asking is how I see it could've happened but even if it was a premeditated plan it looks like something went wrong in much the same way as the SP case where he had to change alibi's.

I just threw out another scenario. My original one was much more devious. Having him come back after checking in to a motel in the nearest mid size town over the border and returning. I just thought that if the visit to his parent's wasn't planned, then he went to his parent's in a panic. You are right, I did think that since the game was such a big weekend with all of his and Michelle's friends, he would not have planned a weekend stopover with his parents. Still think he planned it, though.

 

[raisincharlie]

I just threw out another scenario. My original one was much more devious. Having him come back after checking in to a motel in the nearest mid size town over the border and returning. I just thought that if the visit to his parent's wasn't planned, then he went to his parent's in a panic. You are right, I did think that since the game was such a big weekend with all of his and Michelle's friends, he would not have planned a weekend stopover with his parents. Still think he planned it, though.

BarnGoddess,

Happy New Year to you and the Barn God - hope you are well and able to get around okay !

As to JY's travels, I think there is a possibility that the trip to Brevard was not planned but made up as time progressed. By that I mean that maybe Michelle was supposed to be at work on Friday, maybe Jy thought someone would try to reach her when she did not show and maybe someone would go check about her if they could not reach her.

I think it is possible that JY thought once his business meeting was over, there might be a voicemail for him concerning his wife. When he checked and it wasn't so - he could have called MM and asked her to send the fax whatever - this would give him a reason to send MF over or he sent the fax himself - with all the computers siezed - I have little doubt LE will determine both the source of this document and the time it was sent.

I think it is possible that JY might have gone into panic mode the second he checked his voicemail after that meeting and there was no message concerning Michelle. Seems to me if he killed his wife he would want to be highly visible so he could use others to vouch for him. So I suspect his whereabouts on 3 December would be such - credit card usages to document he was away etc. I understand from the warrants that JY actually left MF a voicemail to pick up the fax. He had no idea what time she would go to get it so therefore he could not return to Raleigh, at least until he knew his wife had been found. I'm sure LE has a time line of every call he made and everytime he checked voicemail. The good thing about that - they will also be able to create a map of his location at each of those times. LE will know if he called his folks a few days before, one day before or the same day his wife was found murdered. I think it is possible he may have called the very mornig his wife lay dead. JMO.

I think it will be difficult to get his family members to say much and they are only going to say something if forced to do so. Again JMO but phone records should confirm conversations with Brevard phones.

One thing I noted in the December 8th article on WRAL = Where is Jason Young? (check post 23 in links) Amanda Lamb flat out asks Joe, JYs brother in law, where JY is and Joe says to his knowledge JY is in Raleigh. Amanda notes that MY's car is in his garage. Either it was a lie or JY is running about in a vehicle less known by friends and as I imagine , he hopes less known to LE. Just a thought...

 

[BarnGoddess]

Thanks Charlie, maybe Strach misunderstood my post. We are definitely all speculating here.

Looked like you may have gotten some rain today.

Happy New Year and hope the New Year finds an arrest.

 

[raisincharlie]

Thanks Charlie, maybe Strach misunderstood my post. We are definitely all speculating here.

Looked like you may have gotten some rain today.

Happy New Year and hope the New Year finds an arrest.

No rain today luv - it came yesterday but today was grim and windy. No fun hacking today but got it done.

So what do you think - JY out and about in a relative's vehicle ?

 

[BarnGoddess]

Found the link. Ok, he came back to Raleigh in his SUV, left again for Brevard in his wife's car. It's in the garage at his brother's. He's back in Raleigh. And just where is Cassidy? If he's wandering around Raleigh, we'd have heard about it. I don't think he's straying far from his family. They certainly are covering for him, that's for sure. If I were the sister, and he was truly innocent, I'd at least say something about missing Michelle and how torn up her brother was. No comment and a closed door isn't what makes you scream "he's innocent.

Ok, missed your weather day by one. The wind's a b**tch, ain't it. Neat cattle drive today. They found the calves and drove them home the old fashioned way, on horseback. Well, ok they cheated too. The big loader followed them along.