Michelle Young: Pregnant Mom, NC. part 8

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  • #101
close_enough said:
i'm hoping that the prosecution will ask that the 911 tape be entered in as evidence....i have a feeling there will be LOTS of evidence, whether circumstantial or not....

i have always felt...well, since i heard the 911 call, that LE zero'd in on JY immediately, but had to get real evidence gathered to go further.....i think Cassidy saw something....walked in while her parents were struggling...something......
One thing about that tape - not sure how anyone could actually claim it was prejudicial - Meredith was not hysterical nor accusatory. Rather factual IMO and several commented she was too calm...I think it will come in - it cannot possibly be any worse than the crime scene photos IMO.
 
  • #102
close_enough said:
yeah, it's bad.....course he can't allow the Fisher's to get around Cassidy for right now....it might mess up all the 'reprogramming' the Young's have done to her in the last 2 months.....course that's JMO
JMO, too, close.

It's so hard to go through something like this under normal circumstances. What helps children is to listen to them and talk to them about the happy memories and their loved one etc. Or to have them draw pictures etc.

It's killing me thinking about how suppressed she must be in her current surroundings.

:furious:

**getting more buckets**
 
  • #103
raisincharlie said:
One thing about that tape - not sure how anyone could actually claim it was prejudicial - Meredith was not hysterical nor accusatory. Rather factual IMO and several commented she was too calm...I think it will come in - it cannot possibly be any worse than the crime scene photos IMO.

exactly RC....Meredith handled the call like a pro, imo....she did what she had to do...i think had Cassidy not been there, it might have been a tad bit different...she was being strong for Cassidy, imo.....

at times it was like she wasn't even paying attention to what Cassidy was saying....she was more concerned with what the dispatcher was telling her....my heart REALLY goes out to Meredith...
 
  • #104
Taximom said:
JMO, too, close.

It's so hard to go through something like this under normal circumstances. What helps children is to listen to them and talk to them about the happy memories and their loved one etc. Or to have them draw pictures etc.

It's killing me thinking about how suppressed she must be in her current surroundings.

:furious:

**getting more buckets**

i know what you mean TM.....what goes around really DOES come around, though...JY will 'get his' soon, imo....
 
  • #105
raisincharlie said:
Maybe its a good thing he is driving some one else's car, being so distraught, he might be so reminded of his wife driving her car, he might run plumb off the road down a 100 foot embankment into a river. :slap:

:crazy:
Happy New Year all! I was reading back to catch up and found this priceless gem ~ good one raisincharlie!!! :D
 
  • #106
otto said:
I think that Cassidy is going through an extremely difficult time right now. She most likely reverted to bed wetting and is in a form of shock and withdrawal (in her knew unfamiliar environment). Knowing what little I do of children that experience trauma at that age, they often lose memories from time prior to the traumatic experience. Cassidy is probably having her life re-written right now. By being deprived of contact with her mom's family, she will be (in my opinion) forever permanently distanced from them. If enough time passes, then any time she sees them, she will somehow associate them with some feelings of the trauma.

I would urge Michelle's mom and Meredith to seek immediate visitation with the argument that it is in the best interests of Cassidy to maintain a healthy relationship with her mother's side of the family, and that maintaining that relationship will ease the loss of her mother. Furthermore, this clearly would have been Michelles wish. I think they need to act right away because the more time that passes, the more likely the courts will buy the argument that it is better to cut all ties until she is well again.

If Cassidy isn't already seeing a therapist, they should also include that request in their documents and if she is seeing a therapist, they should request a meeting with that person to speak on Michelle's behalf.

If they have to turn their lives upside down to achieve all this, they should because they're only going to get one chance and the longer they wait, the slimmer the chance.
I couldn't agree with you more, otto. These last few posts I've read have been very sad ~ to think that Jason's family is depriving Michelle's of seeing little Cassidy, and depriving Cassidy of their love. I may have had some doubts about him before, but no longer. His cruel side is being shown by not allowing the Fishers the one piece of Michelle they could still have.

My opinion ~ :(
 
  • #107
Taximom said:
It's killing me thinking about how suppressed she must be in her current surroundings.

:furious:
Me too. This is awful.
:(
 
  • #108
It is awful Panthera. Thank goodness children that age are so resiliant. They are also little sponges, sopping up all the knowledge they can.

I think I have heard her say ""see daddy do it...did that bweeding everywhere...and she dead." She was very smart. She asked for a washcloth so nicely. When asked to go in her bedroom she immediately said either Ok or alright. A little girl like that is advanced beyond her age because she was an only child and think Michelle talked to her a lot in real talk, not baby-type talk.

I'm wondering what LE feels about the Youngs keeping Cassidy from the Fisher side of the family. Any psychologist could get on the stand and explain how family members could have tried to reprogram her mind as to what happened that early morning. I'm not worried as that 911 cal is legal and binding, so to speak. I just hope Cassidy isn't having to listen to negative comments about her Mommy's family. I also wonder how JY treats her. I think the step-father could be very harsh, and have no idewa about the mother. Scandi
 
  • #109
scandi said:
It is awful Panthera. Thank goodness children that age are so resiliant. They are also little sponges, sopping up all the knowledge they can.

I think I have heard her say ""see daddy do it...did that bweeding everywhere...and she dead." She was very smart. She asked for a washcloth so nicely. When asked to go in her bedroom she immediately said either Ok or alright. A little girl like that is advanced beyond her age because she was an only child and think Michelle talked to her a lot in real talk, not baby-type talk.

I'm wondering what LE feels about the Youngs keeping Cassidy from the Fisher side of the family. Any psychologist could get on the stand and explain how family members could have tried to reprogram her mind as to what happened that early morning. I'm not worried as that 911 cal is legal and binding, so to speak. I just hope Cassidy isn't having to listen to negative comments about her Mommy's family. I also wonder how JY treats her. I think the step-father could be very harsh, and have no idewa about the mother. Scandi
This scares me also. Not only will she forget all memories of her mother as she grows older, but I'm really hoping there isn't negative "programming" going on as well. Too bad that LE doesn't seem to have enough for an arrest ~ NOW!
 
  • #110
close_enough said:
it doesn't surprise me one bit that Cassidy hasn't seen the Fisher's since the murder.....
Close,

I've been stewing on LF's statement for two days now. IMO, LF saw her grand daughter on a rather routine basis - not just near holidays and probably spoke to her frequently on the phone. I say this for two reasons, the incredible pain expressed through her words (LF) at the funeral ( if you recall during her press conference she did extremely well until she got to the subject of Cassidy - thats when she broke down) and in this article and the incredible class with which she has conducted herself in the face of this tragedy.

I've concluded that JY is indeed preventing her from seeing Cassidy. I don't think LF needed to elaborate on her statement - the meaning seems obvious to me by the fact that she mentions the murder of Michelle with respect to Cassidy. I take that as before Michelle was murdered LF had complete access to Cassidy when ever the time and occasion allowed. Placing the murder in the statement IMO makes it very plain to me at least, that this access has been terminated, just as was Michelle. I can't think of a more tactful way to say that. Of course - JMO.
 
  • #111
So sad, raisincharlie, it makes me cry.
 
  • #112
concernedperson said:
So sad, raisincharlie, it makes me cry.
I'm sorry luv - I did not intend to make anyone cry.
 
  • #113
raisincharlie said:
Close,

I've been stewing on LF's statement for two days now. IMO, LF saw her grand daughter on a rather routine basis - not just near holidays and probably spoke to her frequently on the phone. I say this for two reasons, the incredible pain expressed through her words (LF) at the funeral ( if you recall during her press conference she did extremely well until she got to the subject of Cassidy - thats when she broke down) and in this article and the incredible class with which she has conducted herself in the face of this tragedy.

I've concluded that JY is indeed preventing her from seeing Cassidy. I don't think LF needed to elaborate on her statement - the meaning seems obvious to me by the fact that she mentions the murder of Michelle with respect to Cassidy. I take that as before Michelle was murdered LF had complete access to Cassidy when ever the time and occasion allowed. Placing the murder in the statement IMO makes it very plain to me at least, that this access has been terminated, just as was Michelle. I can't think of a more tactful way to say that. Of course - JMO.

same conclusion i have.....i think the article states it in black & white, IMO....she hasn't seen Cassidy since the killing...since Michelle's death...since the murder......she didn't see Cassidy while she was in Raleigh for the funeral....

you said it perfectly & very tactful....
 
  • #114
Bee Charmer said:
Fran, wouldn't those statements by little Cassidy be
"excited utterances?" and allowable into the trial through that
legal definition?

Yes Bee Charmer, that's it, "excited utterances." IF Cassidy said what we think she did on those 911 tapes, LE already knows what happened. The unfortunate thing, in this day and age, is juries generally want 'dna' type evidence. I believe that's what LE is doing now, gathering any 'dna' and phone records and computer evidence.

IMHO, if JY did this, his days as a free man are numbered. He's not smart enough to have completely covered his tracks. After all, the having his SIL going to his home for a FAX is too obvious, IMHO. :slap:

JMHO
fran
 
  • #115
raisincharlie said:
Close,

I've been stewing on LF's statement for two days now. IMO, LF saw her grand daughter on a rather routine basis - not just near holidays and probably spoke to her frequently on the phone. I say this for two reasons, the incredible pain expressed through her words (LF) at the funeral ( if you recall during her press conference she did extremely well until she got to the subject of Cassidy - thats when she broke down) and in this article and the incredible class with which she has conducted herself in the face of this tragedy.

I've concluded that JY is indeed preventing her from seeing Cassidy. I don't think LF needed to elaborate on her statement - the meaning seems obvious to me by the fact that she mentions the murder of Michelle with respect to Cassidy. I take that as before Michelle was murdered LF had complete access to Cassidy when ever the time and occasion allowed. Placing the murder in the statement IMO makes it very plain to me at least, that this access has been terminated, just as was Michelle. I can't think of a more tactful way to say that. Of course - JMO.

You and I are once again on the same page, raisincharlie. You keyed me in to the realization that Cassidy was "what was missing" at the funeral. It only took thinking back to Linda Fisher's tearful statement to flip the switch in my brain and know that you were absolutely right.

As you'll recall, Linda's statement came several days after the funeral. She surely hoped to see Cassidy during that time. It's inexcusable that she wasn't allowed to spend some time with her.

I can certainly see why someone close to the Fisher family was so overwrought that she turned to a message board to vent about the injustice done to Michelle and her family. That, too, convinces me that Cassidy has been kept from the Fisher family since the murder.
 
  • #116
Scout said:
You and I are once again on the same page, raisincharlie. You keyed me in to the realization that Cassidy was "what was missing" at the funeral. It only took thinking back to Linda Fisher's tearful statement to flip the switch in my brain and know that you were absolutely right.

As you'll recall, Linda's statement came several days after the funeral. She surely hoped to see Cassidy during that time. It's inexcusable that she wasn't allowed to spend some time with her.

I can certainly see why someone close to the Fisher family was so overwrought that she turned to a message board to vent about the injustice done to Michelle and her family. That, too, convinces me that Cassidy has been kept from the Fisher family since the murder.
I think this thought is further supported by the fact that the warrant released by the press on 22 December makes it very plain that JY and family returned to Raleigh on the 3rd. It seems reasonable that Cassidy would have been "collected" at that time.

The thing I do not understand in any way shape or form is how on earth JY's side of the family could find any reasonable explanation for condoning this heartless behavior- except for the potential of what Cassidy may have told. JMO
 
  • #117
raisincharlie said:
I think this thought is further supported by the fact that the warrant released by the press on 22 December makes it very plain that JY and family returned to Raleigh on the 3rd. It seems reasonable that Cassidy would have been "collected" at that time.

The thing I do not understand in any way shape or form is how on earth JY's side of the family could find any reasonable explanation for condoning this heartless behavior- except for the potential of what Cassidy may have told. JMO

Spite is a powerful thing. If the Fisher family openly suspects Jason of killing Michelle, he and his supporters would probably do this and more...like perhaps make false accusations and try to get one of them arrested. I'm really not liking what I've seen of Jason's family so far.
 
  • #118
Scout said:
Spite is a powerful thing. If the Fisher family openly suspects Jason of killing Michelle, he and his supporters would probably do this and more...like perhaps make false accusations and try to get one of them arrested. I'm really not liking what I've seen of Jason's family so far.
Geese - I forgot about the accusation - spite is the word isn't it ? Thinking back of Just the Facts railings of posters, the press, and WCSO - spiteful seems to be appropriate. Thanks for the reminder Scout. I think I'm going to :sick:

ETA - the Petersons did indeed try to have Sharon arrested. I was hoping that mould was broken - seems it may be alive and fluorishing IMO.
 
  • #119
fran said:
Yes Bee Charmer, that's it, "excited utterances." IF Cassidy said what we think she did on those 911 tapes, LE already knows what happened. The unfortunate thing, in this day and age, is juries generally want 'dna' type evidence. I believe that's what LE is doing now, gathering any 'dna' and phone records and computer evidence.

IMHO, if JY did this, his days as a free man are numbered. He's not smart enough to have completely covered his tracks. After all, the having his SIL going to his home for a FAX is too obvious, IMHO. :slap:

JMHO
fran
Fran,

Since you broached the subject of "excited utterances", I thought perhaps a look at the topic might be in order. Kind of a long read but worth it (sorry the pdf will not allow copying of a section but the summary alone is worth the read):

http://www.opencrs.com/rpts/RL33195_20051214.pdf
 
  • #120
I guess we can look at the fact that Cassidy hasn't been w/the Fishers in a different light. It might actually help during a trial that she wasn't with the Fishers. The defense could easily say the Fishers "reprogrammed" Cassidy against her father if she was with the Fishers for unsupervised, extended periods.

In the meantime, the 'mommy' in me is feeling her pain and hopes that she can see the other part of her family soon and start getting some help.

I still think that 911 tape is critical to this case.
 
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