Michelle Young: Pregnant Mom, NC. part 8

[otto]

I rarely post here but was compelled to respond to your post. If JY were innocent, he would be reacting just as any innocent man would...computer geek or lumberjack...and screaming at the top of his lungs to seek justice for the brutal murder of his wife and unborn son to his fmaily, friends, neighbors, in-laws and police.


Let's look at the facts and wonder what they could mean:
-No forced entry
-MY Pregnant
-Non-Random Crime
-No other plausible motive
-JY conveniently out of town
-Sunglasses at the funeral
-Sudden, untimely and inconvenient trip to Brevard
If we stopped there, maybe his guilt would be debatable, but:
-Lawyers-up immediately
-Marital Problems
-JY was having an affair
-The 'fax' to lure MF into the house
-No public proclamation of innocence
-No plea to find the killer
-Uncooperative with LE
-No need for LE to offer reward to find the killer
-Keeps Cassidy away from family

Give me a break!

Taking a careful look at these facts:

Let's look at the facts and wonder what they could mean:
-No forced entry --> indesputable and related to murder
-MY Pregnant --> indesputable but not necessarily related to murder

-Non-Random Crime --> very quick conclusion by police, probably true
-No other plausible motive --> not that we know of
-JY conveniently out of town --> indesputable but not necessarily related to murder
-Sunglasses at the funeral --> indesputable but not necessarily related to murder
-Sudden, untimely and inconvenient trip to Brevard --> indesputable but not necessarily related to murder

If we stopped there, maybe his guilt would be debatable, but:
-Lawyers-up immediately --> indesputable but within his rights
-Marital Problems --> not known as fact
-JY was having an affair --> not known as fact, may have been one time
-The 'fax' to lure MF into the house --> indesputable fax, but not necessarily a ruse
-No public proclamation of innocence --> indesputable but not necessary
-No plea to find the killer --> indesputable but not necessary
-Uncooperative with LE --> indesputable but within his rights
-No need for LE to offer reward to find the killer --> indesputable but uncommon to offer reward without missing person
-Keeps Cassidy away from family --> indesputable but may be the norm

I turned the two murder related facts green, but the rest of the points could be interpretted in other ways.

 

[raisincharlie]

Wow. That's exactly how I felt too! And that's a first for me admittedly being pro prosecution. I was religiously reading that CCT message board looking for some sort of reassurance that he didn't do it. Difference between me and you though RC is that when I couldn't disagree anymore, I lost interest and didn't follow the trial. Go figure - maybe it was just some sort of maternal instinct - I actually felt sorry for the kid.

Jilly,

Not me - I always want to know how, when, where, what, and why, without the gory details (that part actually just makes me plumb mad). Same with this case - the interesting thing is if it is JY, the timing, did he really leave, all the silly little details that don't much matter to anyone else - I want to know.

One thing I have learned from the trials - is you don't know near as much as you thought you did and what you do know may be quite a bit different than what you thought it was. This case is a huge puzzle right now. With time I am sure we will know more but I suspect until it goes to trial - it will remain a puzzle. So I am buzy puzzling...

Dyleski I had trouble with - my oldest son will be 16 soon, worried me to think that a 16 year old could or would do what he did.

 

[FactsareFacts]

Taking a careful look at these facts:

Let's look at the facts and wonder what they could mean:
-No forced entry --> indesputable and related to murder
-MY Pregnant --> indesputable but not necessarily related to murder

-Non-Random Crime --> very quick conclusion by police, probably true
-No other plausible motive --> not that we know of
-JY conveniently out of town --> indesputable but not necessarily related to murder
-Sunglasses at the funeral --> indesputable but not necessarily related to murder
-Sudden, untimely and inconvenient trip to Brevard --> indesputable but not necessarily related to murder

If we stopped there, maybe his guilt would be debatable, but:
-Lawyers-up immediately --> indesputable but within his rights
-Marital Problems --> not known as fact
-JY was having an affair --> not known as fact, may have been one time
-The 'fax' to lure MF into the house --> indesputable fax, but not necessarily a ruse
-No public proclamation of innocence --> indesputable but not necessary
-No plea to find the killer --> indesputable but not necessary
-Uncooperative with LE --> indesputable but within his rights
-No need for LE to offer reward to find the killer --> indesputable but uncommon to offer reward without missing person
-Keeps Cassidy away from family --> indesputable but may be the norm

I turned the two murder related facts green, but the rest of the points could be interpretted in other ways.

Good job Otto. In keeping with an open mind "no forced entry" could mean they entered thru an unlocked door or window or someone knocked or rang the doorbell and Michelle opened the door to them. I haven't seen anywhere that Police have confirmed the entire attack happened in the bedroom, unless I missed it which is entirely possible too.

 

[otto]

Good job Otto. In keeping with an open mind "no forced entry" could mean they entered thru an unlocked door or window or someone knocked or rang the doorbell and Michelle opened the door to them. I haven't seen anywhere that Police have confirmed the entire attack happened in the bedroom, unless I missed it which is entirely possible too.

From all my reading, I have not seen any report about where the attack occurred. We do know that Meredith said the place (not specifically the bedroom) was a mess (something like that) and that Michelle was found in the bedroom. It is also possible that someone rang the doorbell just after her friends left and she opened the door, assuming someone had forgotten something. Alternatively, Michelle may have been startled awake by someone that was already in the house for a robbery, but after being surprised by Michelle and realizing there was a small child in the house, the person may have fled the scene.

Also, if Jason left through the connecting house/garage door, he may have accidentally left it unlocked or perhaps it was even routine to leave it unlocked if the garage overhead door was usually locked. The garage overhead door was slightly open when the police came to the scene. There was some discussion about the garage door being broken, but there are pictures with the door both open and closed. The ladder was set up in the middle of the garage at one point so perhaps the police disabled the garage door opener to get the door to completely open and close.

I still think Jason is the most likely suspect, but we have very little to go on other than a familiarity with men murdering their pregnant wives and what appears to be a random murder.

 

[FactsareFacts]

From all my reading, I have not seen any report about where the attack occurred. We do know that Meredith said the place (not specifically the bedroom) was a mess (something like that) and that Michelle was found in the bedroom. It is also possible that someone rang the doorbell just after her friends left and she opened the door, assuming someone had forgotten something. Alternatively, Michelle may have been startled awake by someone that was already in the house for a robbery, but after being surprised by Michelle and realizing there was a small child in the house, the person may have fled the scene.

Also, if Jason left through the connecting house/garage door, he may have accidentally left it unlocked or perhaps it was even routine to leave it unlocked if the garage overhead door was usually locked. The garage overhead door was slightly open when the police came to the scene. There was some discussion about the garage door being broken, but there are pictures with the door both open and closed. The ladder was set up in the middle of the garage at one point so perhaps the police disabled the garage door opener to get the door to completely open and close.

I still think Jason is the most likely suspect, but we have very little to go on other than a familiarity with men murdering their pregnant wives and what appears to be a random murder.

Yes Jason is still the most logical suspect to me as well but I don't like to close my mind to other possibilities I guess however remote they are.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Taking a careful look at these facts:

Let's look at the facts and wonder what they could mean:
-No forced entry --> indisputable and related to murder
-MY Pregnant --> indisputable but not necessarily related to murder

-Non-Random Crime --> very quick conclusion by police, probably true
-No other plausible motive --> not that we know of
-JY conveniently out of town --> indisputable but not necessarily related to murder
-Sunglasses at the funeral --> indisputable but not necessarily related to murder
-Sudden, untimely and inconvenient trip to Brevard --> indisputable but not necessarily related to murder

If we stopped there, maybe his guilt would be debatable, but:
-Lawyers-up immediately --> indisputable but within his rights
-Marital Problems --> not known as fact
-JY was having an affair --> not known as fact, may have been one time
-The 'fax' to lure MF into the house --> indisputable fax, but not necessarily a ruse
-No public proclamation of innocence --> indisputable but not necessary
-No plea to find the killer --> indisputable but not necessary
-Uncooperative with LE --> indisputable but within his rights
-No need for LE to offer reward to find the killer --> indisputable but uncommon to offer reward without missing person
-Keeps Cassidy away from family --> indisputable but may be the norm

I turned the two murder related facts green, but the rest of the points could be interpreted in other ways.

Excellent deductions otto and quite true.

Anything can be made to look suspicious if suspicion is what one seeks to find.

As you have so eloquently listed in your post...these are happenings but they are not facts that prove JY guilty.

If that is all it took then he would have been arrested 2 months ago.

Until we have further information on JY then we do not know for a fact that JY is guilty.

That is what keeps me on the fence in this case. I think there is a possibility that he may have done this but frankly as time keeps ticking by day after day, I am certainly cannot say with any certainty he did this.

The relationship with MM puts him in the forefront imo and he will never be eliminated unless the forensics points to someone else who has no affiliation with him.

And we also know that just because LE says a crime is not random doesnt mean they are right everytime. The same thing was said in the Sarah Walker case and the Idaho police thought whomever had killed the Greone family was someone known to them.

So who knows how this will really end. I only hope LE find the answers and that person, whether JY or whomever, pays the heaviest punishment allowed by law.

IMO

Ocean

 

[raisincharlie]

JY is about as unlucky as old Scooter boy


Leaves town on business - wife is murdered - keeping in mind it was reported he is gone 3 to 4 times per week.

Someone sends fax to house same day wife is found dead - he must know about fax, must be important as he calls SIL to go to the house to get it.

JY calls SIL to pick up fax - SIL finds her sister dead, tells 911 op she doesn't come to the house during day. Of the one day she goes on "a fluke" she finds her sister dead.

JY takes trip to Brevard - on same day wife is found dead - not exactly a trip of convenience since VA is as far as Raleigh is from Brevard.

JY happens to have some "relationship" involving daily contact with a sorority sister to his wife for three months prior to his wife's death, oh yea, there is also that small deal of a hotel receipt from Orlando in early September. Ocoee where sorority sis lives happens to be a suburb of Orlando. Sorority sis's husband says he forgives her and will stand by her - what - for talking to JY daily ?

Sorority sis is reported to be cooperating with LE. Cooperating about what - talking?

Jy tells friend (Fussell) at funeral for dead wife - he was out of town - friend blabs to press about funeral conversation - so distraught he had to tell friends where he was while his wife was murdered during her funeral.

The killer didn't break into his house to kill his wife. No reported theft, infact they left her cell phone and purse undisturbed in the kitchen. Jy was lucky though - the killer did not harm his baby daughter and the dog didn't seem to mind.

Noted frequent checking of voicemail - too bad you were checking voicemail on day your wife was found dead instead of answering the phone.

Yea - this boy is as unlucky as some other wife murderers. Good thing he has a lawyer IMO.

Gubblegum - I agree with you about the marital problems - too many of the insiders have reported this to be the case.

 

[philamena]

I rarely post here but was compelled to respond to your post. If JY were innocent, he would be reacting just as any innocent man would...computer geek or lumberjack...and screaming at the top of his lungs to seek justice for the brutal murder of his wife and unborn son to his fmaily, friends, neighbors, in-laws and police.


Let's look at the facts and wonder what they could mean:
-No forced entry
-MY Pregnant
-Non-Random Crime
-No other plausible motive
-JY conveniently out of town
-Sunglasses at the funeral
-Sudden, untimely and inconvenient trip to Brevard
If we stopped there, maybe his guilt would be debatable, but:
-Lawyers-up immediately
-Marital Problems
-JY was having an affair
-The 'fax' to lure MF into the house
-No public proclamation of innocence
-No plea to find the killer
-Uncooperative with LE
-No need for LE to offer reward to find the killer
-Keeps Cassidy away from family

Give me a break!

Good list! IMO those are ALL facts...facts that can't be disputed. When a man's pregnant wife is murdered and he immediately lawyers up and he doesn't beg for information, he's involved. :banghead:
Sounds more like SP everyday.

 

[otto]

Excellent deductions otto and quite true.

Anything can be made to look suspicious if suspicion is what one seeks to find.

As you have so eloquently listed in your post...these are happenings but they are not facts that prove JY guilty.

If that is all it took then he would have been arrested 2 months ago.

Until we have further information on JY then we do not know for a fact that JY is guilty.

That is what keeps me on the fence in this case. I think there is a possibility that he may have done this but frankly as time keeps ticking by day after day, I am certainly cannot say with any certainty he did this.

The relationship with MM puts him in the forefront imo and he will never be eliminated unless the forensics points to someone else who has no affiliation with him.

And we also know that just because LE says a crime is not random doesnt mean they are right everytime. The same thing was said in the Sarah Walker case and the Idaho police thought whomever had killed the Greone family was someone known to them.

So who knows how this will really end. I only hope LE find the answers and that person, whether JY or whomever, pays the heaviest punishment allowed by law.

IMO

Ocean

I am just climbing up on the fence. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence that is accumulating against Jason; including the car accident when Michelle was pregnant, but they need some concrete forensics, receipt, timeline??? to piece it together. Everything we have right now is almost a guilty interpretation of the facts, at least has been my perspective ... because I really thought it was him right from the beginning. I'm just wondering how easy it is to try on the other hat. So far, depending on the personality of the suspect, it seems easy.

... but my gut feeling is that this is a very clever murder and Jason is a very clever man. I know there were rumours about 10 blows to the head, but I would expect Jason to be a man of few words (think I read that somewhere) and few actions to acheive the result. If it is Jason, I would think there were a couple of critical blows to the head. Even knowing more about the crime scene and analyzing that would give some clues.

If Michelle was found on the floor, she would have been hit while standing or running. What is light weight and hard like a tire iron? There would have to be blood splatter and she did lose a tooth. That's pretty violent ... sorry ... hadn't quite imagined it before. Is there anyone that she had made really mad in the last few weeks? Jason could certainly answer that question.

 

[otto]

JY is about as unlucky as old Scooter boy.
...

Sure ...
Leaves town on business - wife is murdered - keeping in mind it was reported he is gone 3 to 4 times per week. Perfectly consistent with normal business routine.

Someone sends fax to house same day wife is found dead - he must know about fax, must be important. Nothing wrong with an accidentally forwarded fax about a gift before Christmas or around Anniversary being serepticiously retrieved.

JY calls SIL to pick up fax - SIL finds her sister dead, tells 911 op she doesn't come to the house during day. Of the one day she goes on "a fluke" she finds her sister dead. Coincidences happen. Maybe he and his wife were very close and he had a gut feeling something was wrong or maybe he thought Michelle and Cassidy were at the mall and he could retrieve the fax before she saw it.

JY takes trip to Brevard - on same day wife is found dead - not exactly a trip of convenience since VA is as far as Raleigh is from Brevard. Apparently the trip to VA and then to visit parents was not that strange because Michelle's friends have not reported that it was a point of contention when he left.

JY happens to have some "relationship" involving daily contact with a sorority sister to his wife for three months prior to his wife's death, oh yea, there is also that small deal of a hotel receipt from Orlando in early September. Ocoee where sorority sis lives happens to be a suburb of Orlando. Sorority sis's husband says he forgives her and will stand by her - what - for talking to JY daily ? They slept together once in September?

Sorority sis is reported to be cooperating with LE. Cooperating about what - talking? unrelated to murderer

Jy tells friend (Fussell) at funeral for dead wife - he was out of town - friend blabs to press about funeral conversation - so distraught he had to tell friends where he was while his wife was murdered during her funeral. A friend could easily ask where were you? Why couldn't you do anything? - even at a funeral.

The killer didn't break into his house to kill his wife. No reported theft, infact they left her cell phone and purse undisturbed in the kitchen. Jy was lucky though - the killer did not harm his baby daughter and the dog didn't seem to mind. The dog was actually distraught, according to Meredith. Cassidy could have slept through the whole event. Perhaps the killer was discovered by Michelle, freaked, committed a first murder, realized there was a child and fled.

Noted frequent checking of voicemail - too bad you were checking voicemail on day your wife was found dead instead of answering the phone. It makes sense that he was frequently checking voice mail if he couldn't contact Michelle. Clearly he should have called her at home and work, discovered she wasn't in and then started checking messages - perhaps assuming she's at the doctor with Cassidy and then on to other activities. Maybe he was waiting to hear from Meredith that she had retrieved the fax.

 

[strach304]

Otto, just stepping in to comment on the part about his friends not taking issue with the trip to Brevard on top of business in VA. We don't know that anyone besides Jason knew he was going to Brevard before the fact including Michele herself. Once certain details became available his friends shut up, period. Until the warrants were released Fussel was the only source for the trip to Va.

 

[poco]

Question: From what I understand, Cassidy is with her father. IF there is any truth to the fact that Cassidy was heard saying something in the background during the 911 call, and it is relevant, why would LE allow this child to be alone with her father for any length of time, giving him ample time to so-call "brainwash" her about the events of that evening?

Possibly because ---

a) Even if she CLEARLY was saying something about "daddy" in the background, it was not enough information to issue an arrest warrent.
b) Daddy knows this, and he knows the child won't be asked to testify in court and and even if she was, he now has ample time to scramble that little brain of hers.
c) At this point in time, there is nothing LE can do, as they have no justifiable reason to remove the child from his custody.

Anyway, I believe he did it. This is just another Peterson case with, thus far, only circumstantial evidence, and I'm hoping they come up with more facts! At this point I stand as a JDI, until evidence points elsewhere.

Sorry JY, in my book you're guilty until proven innocent, lol! I've seen too many cases like this to think otherwise.

 

[strach304]

Not playing devil's advocate here but wanted to point out that when we first heard Jason lawyered up many posters suspected at the time the rumors of a pending divorce were true and the possibility of an affair. IMO that one time only encounter may be all they can prove and I doubt MM since cooperating and her own husband is now wise to that fact wants to make more of it publicly right now.

On the other hand I tend to believe that Linda Fisher had plenty of reason to not like Jason long before the murder probably due to past affairs that Michele knew about. Quite possibly this is where the divorce and separation info came from early on. This would be a good reason for the Fisher's to suspect Jason.

Initially I didn't put much credence in the not random statement from LE because I too like Ocean have seen LE get it wrong before like the Harvey's. Why would they ask a neighbor from the trailer lots if he had ever been in that house? I do think LE in this case is checking all angles including an outsider. If for no other reason Jason's alibi checks out he still could've had it done.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I am just climbing up on the fence. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence that is accumulating against Jason; including the car accident when Michelle was pregnant, but they need some concrete forensics, receipt, timeline??? to piece it together. Everything we have right now is almost a guilty interpretation of the facts, at least has been my perspective ... because I really thought it was him right from the beginning. I'm just wondering how easy it is to try on the other hat. So far, depending on the personality of the suspect, it seems easy.

... but my gut feeling is that this is a very clever murder and Jason is a very clever man. I know there were rumours about 10 blows to the head, but I would expect Jason to be a man of few words (think I read that somewhere) and few actions to achieve the result. If it is Jason, I would think there were a couple of critical blows to the head. Even knowing more about the crime scene and analyzing that would give some clues.

If Michelle was found on the floor, she would have been hit while standing or running. What is light weight and hard like a tire iron? There would have to be blood splatter and she did lose a tooth. That's pretty violent ... sorry ... hadn't quite imagined it before. Is there anyone that she had made really mad in the last few weeks? Jason could certainly answer that question.

Good Morning Otto! Well maybe I should have said I am "teetering" on the fence.lol It is a hard place to be that is for sure. Do I think he is most likely guilty? Yes, I must admit that at times I do think that totally.

I know there are many circumstances that makes JY suspicious and understand fully that LE thinks he is the one. Yet I do know that LE is not perfect even though we would like them to be.

I have mentioned before I think we all think or thought if the crime scene was horrendous, bloody, showing rage it had to be someone with personal rage against the victim. I am no longer willing to believe that 100%. Over the years I have seen/read/heard where the most up close and personal horrific things were done to totally innocent victims and they were done by total strangers who took out their own personal rage and anger on someone they didn't even know.

I read an article awhile back and it stated that many people invade a home through an unlocked door or window so that makes me think "Does no forced entry really mean it was someone known to them?" and imo no, it doesn't guarantee it was or wasn't.

I am like you... if the blows were repeated over and over and very messy it is hard for me to visualize this nerdy, computer geek doing it this way but stranger things have happened so who knows really. Rage and hatred are deadly powerful when released at this extreme level.

I also think about the tons of affairs that married couples seems to be having. It seems to be rampant unfortunately. So does the affair with MM mean JY is a murderer or did he get caught in his own web of deceit and exposed because his wife and baby were murdered? Time and facts will tell I hope.

So I am trying, although it is darn difficult, to wait until there is concrete evidence showing us who did this horrible deed. I am trying to remain open minded.

My mind keeps drifting back to so many other cases. Strong suspicious were thought and totally felt about Mark Lunsford, Steve Greone, Dan Horowitz, John/Jennifer Wilbanks fiancé, Sarah Walker's ex, etc. Maybe I just hope that Cassidy will be left with a father who truly loves her and wasn't the one that did this to her Mommy and brother. But it is just probably wishful thinking on my part.

IMO

Ocean

 

[curious1]

I have read what some of you have said regarding JY's reaction and how he would or should react if innocent. Let me say up front I am heavily leaning towards his guilt, that said....

I have to say as someone who has had a relative murdered you have no idea how you or anyone would react. Someone stated earlier that when their stepfather died they were sure their mother would fall apart and lose it completely, but she didn't. My mom's close cousin was murdered. Her family reacted with complete dignity and there was no wailing and flailing about. I was very impressed with how they handled themselves. In the Janet Abraro case some have criticized her families reaction as well. I have always thought they handled themselves very well. I was also suprised that my mother did not 'lose it' when her cousin was murdered, they had been very very close. Now when my mom's older brother died of natural causes she absolutely lost it, fell out on the floor and everything. Why she did not react this way to a brutal unexptected death, but did when her older brother (with a bad heart and everyone knew it was just a matter of time) passed away is anyones guess. It never made sense to me, but heck people as a rule don't make sense to me. Just my :twocents:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I have read what some of you have said regarding JY's reaction and how he would or should react if innocent. Let me say up front I am heavily leaning towards his guilt, that said....

I have to say as someone who has had a relative murdered you have no idea how you or anyone would react. Someone stated earlier that when their stepfather died they were sure their mother would fall apart and lose it completely, but she didn't. My mom's close cousin was murdered. Her family reacted with complete dignity and there was no wailing and flailing about. I was very impressed with how they handled themselves. In the Janet Abraro case some have criticized her families reaction as well. I have always thought they handled themselves very well. I was also surprised that my mother did not 'lose it' when her cousin was murdered, they had been very very close. Now when my mom's older brother died of natural causes she absolutely lost it, fell out on the floor and everything. Why she did not react this way to a brutal unexpected death, but did when her older brother (with a bad heart and everyone knew it was just a matter of time) passed away is anyones guess. It never made sense to me, but heck people as a rule don't make sense to me. Just my :twocents:

I believe when something so horrendous as murder happens the grieving families are so totally in shock and may feel numb and overwhelmed by it all. Unable to express the grief they feel.

I too have seen all sorts of emotions concerning different manners of death from the expected to the unexpected. There is no way to tell how someone will react. I have seen some shocked and silent upon first learning of the death only to start their emotional grief weeks after the death and then become hysterical, crying uncontrollably and I have seen many become totally hysterical immediately even if the death was expected.

IMO

Ocean

 

[close_enough]

Question: From what I understand, Cassidy is with her father. IF there is any truth to the fact that Cassidy was heard saying something in the background during the 911 call, and it is relevant, why would LE allow this child to be alone with her father for any length of time, giving him ample time to so-call "brainwash" her about the events of that evening?

Possibly because ---

a) Even if she CLEARLY was saying something about "daddy" in the background, it was not enough information to issue an arrest warrent.
b) Daddy knows this, and he knows the child won't be asked to testify in court and and even if she was, he now has ample time to scramble that little brain of hers.
c) At this point in time, there is nothing LE can do, as they have no justifiable reason to remove the child from his custody.

Anyway, I believe he did it. This is just another Peterson case with, thus far, only circumstantial evidence, and I'm hoping they come up with more facts! At this point I stand as a JDI, until evidence points elsewhere.

Sorry JY, in my book you're guilty until proven innocent, lol! I've seen too many cases like this to think otherwise.

i'm with you 100% on this Poco....another thing that just chaps my *** is the fact that JY won't even talk to LE WITH his atty present.....something very wrong w/this picture, imo.....it shows me that he doesn't WANT to cooperate w/the investigation of his wife's murder......sure, his atty could have said "say nothing"...."let's just not talk to LE"......WHY???...

 

[curious1]

I believe when something so horrendous as murder happens the grieving families are so totally in shock and may feel numb and overwhelmed by it all. Unable to express the grief they feel.

I too have seen all sorts of emotions concerning different manners of death from the expected to the unexpected. There is no way to tell how someone will react. I have seen some shocked and silent upon first learning of the death only to start their emotional grief weeks after the death and then become hysterical, crying uncontrollably and I have seen many become totally hysterical immediately even if the death was expected.

IMO

Ocean

Yeah, I tend to look at things other than the reactions. Of course, if someone goes out there from day one and is all 'rrrrraaaarrr' and gung ho about 'finding the killer' I have to admit I do think it a bit odd. And if you utter the phrase 'I will spend all my waking hours finding the real killer' then I picture you tooling around from hole to hole on a golf course like OJ.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Yeah, I tend to look at things other than the reactions. Of course, if someone goes out there from day one and is all 'rrrrraaaarrr' and gung ho about 'finding the killer' I have to admit I do think it a bit odd. And if you utter the phrase 'I will spend all my waking hours finding the real killer' then I picture you tooling around from hole to hole on a golf course like OJ.

:laugh: I certainly know what you mean.

IMO

Ocean

 

[Taximom]

Good day, everyone! I'm glad we are having a healthy discussion about this. I had to leave yesterday after my last post to Otto and hoped not to offend anyone with my comment(s).

I would still be on that proverbial fence IF JY were working with authorities. I can't say media interviews would sway me to his innocence, because I've seen too many of them go the wrong way. Hacking is a good example.

If JY is innocent, one would think by now he'd be putting some type of pressure on the detectives to find out why his wife's (and unborn son) murderer hasn't been found.

Of course this is from my book "What to do if your spouse is murdered and you didn't do it."

Please, someone, put me back on the fence and tell me that JY didn't murder his wife and unborn son. Please let it be the newspaper delivery man, repairman or some crackhead hanging around in the woods. I would also love for Cassidy to have at least her loving father to guide her through her young life.

I can only hope that JY is working with LE through his attorney. That would really make my day.
:twocents: