Michelle Young: Pregnant Mom, NC. part 8

[packerdog]

It could be that LE put a GPS on the suv so that they could keep track of him. Of course if Jason followed the Peterson case he would check it out to see if a tracking device was on the car.

 

[raisincharlie]

It could be that LE put a GPS on the suv so that they could keep track of him. Of course if Jason followed the Peterson case he would check it out to see if a tracking device was on the car.

I am hoping LE was brilliant and put a GPS device on Michelle's car - especially after the WRAL article that it was observed inside Joe & Heather's garage. in Brevard...

 

[strach304]

Welcome back PackFan :clap: Just a shot in the dark that I noticed noone else probably wants to comment on with the Fishers I assume you mean he doesn't trust them with Cassidy for reasons other than the murder. Like alcohol abuse or drugs or possibly men either may be in a relationship with he doesn't want her around. I suppose that's the general idea.

Anybody familiar with septic sysytems versus city water? My brother is in San Diego or maybe Arizona till tomorrow so I can't ask him how the septics work. He has a house similar and out in the suburbs like the Youngs and I remember when he had a problem with his septic. Isn't it stored or whatever and pumped out? The possibility of a machine with a special filtering system comes to mind or something that is able to gauge toxins or chemicals, foreign matter, etc?

 

[raisincharlie]

Lol it's after 02:30 over here and yep, I'm still awake as usual. I was laughing today because my cute granddaughter meows like a kitten when she wants food

Sami

Sami - so glad you are here to explain such things. I'm not up to speed like most of the sleuthers on this board when it comes to such forensic motivated ideas. Thanks very much !

Thats really cute about the meowing ! Babies are such gifts...very glad all is well in Sami's corner! Have great fun !

 

[close_enough]

I am hoping LE was brilliant and put a GPS device on Michelle's car - especially after the WRAL article that it was observed inside Joe & Heather's garage. in Brevard...

for some reason i don't think GPS, after the fact, would matter at all....i think that once JY got to wherever he's staying, he's sat tight & hasn't moved...if he has, it's been very little & most likely local stores & such...

 

[packerdog]

I am hoping LE was brilliant and put a GPS device on Michelle's car - especially after the WRAL article that it was observed inside Joe & Heather's garage. in Brevard...

Oh yes, me too. They didn't keep her car very long. Maybe they did find a speck of blood in his SUV and it is all documented and they feel that giving it back to him to track him is of importance to them.

 

[Samiya]

i tend to think the 'special equipment' was for combing through computer data, rather than the drains in the home or elsewhere......someone over at ctv (a newbie that never posted again) posted this info/speculation...course it's jmo....who knows what the special machine/equipment was for?

Hi Close,

The examination of the computer hardware has to be done at a forensic data lab in a controlled environment. The computers and hardware are subject to search warrants and forensic data examinations aren't able to go ahead until the search warrants for the data are filed and given the go ahead. They do only need the harddrives to examine data, but in this case they would also need the printer to establish that the document was in fact printed via that computer by examining markings that each computer leaves on paper which is not visible to the human eye. The mouse and keyboard would be examined for prints to determine the topmost layer of prints of the last person who used it, since there are multiple users.

Sami

 

[raisincharlie]

for some reason i don't think GPS, after the fact, would matter at all....i think that once JY got to wherever he's staying, he's sat tight & hasn't moved...if he has, it's been very little & most likely local stores & such...

I don't know Close - there have been a couple of news reports that he was seen in Raleigh before Christmas - would be interesting to know where he went while in Raleigh...besides to his lawyer and the WCSO station.

ETA - also handy if he decided to run...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Ocean,

One thing about that testimonial order - it wasn't limited to just fingerprints and DNA - it also allowed for several other "things" as well as photographs.

http://www.newsobserver.com/1413/story/508250.html

"Sheriff's investigators can legally use a nontestimonial order to obtain such evidence as fingerprints, palm prints, footprints, blood specimens, hair samples, voice samples and photographs."

Who knows - there could have been a black eye under those sunglasses...

Yes I do agree. Photographs were taken of JYs body when the nontestimonial order was done.

IMO

Ocean

 

[close_enough]

I don't know Close - there have been a couple of news reports that he was seen in Raleigh before Christmas - would be interesting to know where he went while in Raleigh...besides to his lawyer and the WCSO station.

ETA - also handy if he decided to run...

aahh..ok, i didn't know he had been seen in Raleigh, before Christmas....

good point, though about "if he decided to run"......i just have this feeling that JY isn't stupid; that he planned this murder, & he planned it pretty well....i know if i were him, i'd park the SUV & not touch it for awhile....

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It could be that LE put a GPS on the suv so that they could keep track of him. Of course if Jason followed the Peterson case he would check it out to see if a tracking device was on the car.

I think that may be one of the reasons JYs lawyer picked the vehicle up. I am sure he is very aware of GPS and had someone check the vehicle thoroughly.

IMO

Ocean

 

[Bee Charmer]

so, investigators are finished with the SUV...good deal!....if they found anything, pictures, video & lab reports will do just fine

You're right!!

 

[close_enough]

Hi Close,

The examination of the computer hardware has to be done at a forensic data lab in a controlled environment. The computers and hardware are subject to search warrants and forensic data examinations aren't able to go ahead until the search warrants for the data are filed and given the go ahead. They do only need the harddrives to examine data, but in this case they would also need the printer to establish that the document was in fact printed via that computer by examining markings that each computer leaves on paper which is not visible to the human eye. The mouse and keyboard would be examined for prints to determine the topmost layer of prints of the last person who used it, since there are multiple users.

Sami

right Sami...i understand all of that, but i speculated (since reading that one & only post by a newbie, over at ctv) that some kind of special machine/equipment was brought in on the investigation, which could still mean it was brought in to a lab to comb through computer data.....

i'm probably putting too much into the comment i read...it's been way back when the "special machine" was brought up, & i can't for the life of me remember the name over at ctv....i just don't remember anyone actually stating that this "special" machine was brought into the home.....

 

[strach304]

Lol it's after 02:30 over here and yep, I'm still awake as usual. I was laughing today because my cute granddaughter meows like a kitten when she wants food

Sami

Aww, that's so cute, I love kitties and babies

Reverting back to the Peterson case because Sami pointed out the possibility of something happening with Michele with the labor aspect and that's something we should all remember from Laci's case. I guess I hadn't given it any thought in this case because Michele wasn't as far along as Laci. I know Scandi will remember those details well because there was so much speculation as to what may have happened and how Scott may have reacted. Duct tape, cement theories abound and the clean up of the body fluids. Could this be the unusual or out of the ordinary scenario the poster at ctv meant about what was done to Michele? That info was supposed to have come from someone who worked with Michele's father?

Other Peterson case aspect as I remember it didn't Distaso seem like he was trying to prove Laci had never been in Scott's truck by asking Sharon how Laci arrived at her house when visiting etc.? I'm sure there were trace amounts of Laci's blood in his truck but small. From the transcripts he pointedly asked her about the visit the week before and if she saw how Laci arrived etc? I'm sure this was the evidence that gave me the impression that small amounts are allowable and other dna such as hair even transferable.

 

[Taximom]

Wouldn't it be interesting if there were hotel/motel carpet fibers found at the Young's house?

Of course, if they missed a TOOTH....:banghead:

 

[raisincharlie]

aahh..ok, i didn't know he had been seen in Raleigh, before Christmas....

good point, though about "if he decided to run"......i just have this feeling that JY isn't stupid; that he planned this murder, & he planned it pretty well....i know if i were him, i'd park the SUV & not touch it for awhile....

I have this feeling, JY will not be coming to Raleigh anytime soon to pick up that SUV. I also suspect his lawyer will have it checked out as well - the defense team is going to want to look at it closely to determine what testing may have been done (WCSO is not obligated to tell them squat right now) and to see if a GPS is installed. Just a feeling as IMO.

I don't think Jy is stupid, but I doubt he is as smart as LE in the end...again JMO.

 

[close_enough]

I think that may be one of the reasons JYs lawyer picked the vehicle up. I am sure he is very aware of GPS and had someone check the vehicle thoroughly.

IMO

Ocean

good point....

 

[Bee Charmer]

Wouldn't it be interesting if there were hotel/motel carpet fibers found at the Young's house?

Of course, if they missed a TOOTH....:banghead:

Oh yes, that tooth. It's probably gonna turn out
to belong to MY, but that hasn't been confirmed yet. What
implications would there be, if it was a chip off JY's teeth?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

aahh..ok, i didn't know he had been seen in Raleigh, before Christmas....

good point, though about "if he decided to run"......i just have this feeling that JY isn't stupid; that he planned this murder, & he planned it pretty well....i know if i were him, i'd park the SUV & not touch it for awhile....

I hadn't heard of that either.....hmm interesting.

All I heard was he returned shortly after the murder and visited Michelle's graveside.

IMO

Ocean

 

[Samiya]

Anybody familiar with septic sysytems versus city water? My brother is in San Diego or maybe Arizona till tomorrow so I can't ask him how the septics work. He has a house similar and out in the suburbs like the Youngs and I remember when he had a problem with his septic. Isn't it stored or whatever and pumped out? The possibility of a machine with a special filtering system comes to mind or something that is able to gauge toxins or chemicals, foreign matter, etc?

LOL, I am on a septic tank, being 10 kilometers out of town.

We have three tanks in our system. Two for 'the gross stuff' and the other is grey water. Grey water comes from the washing machine and bath/shower and I don't need to explain the 'other tank',lol...okes, toilet

In the greywater tank is a pump. The pump is similar to a portable firefighters pump and has a 'float on it'. When the tank gets to a certain level, causing the float to rise up, the pump automatically turns on and our gardens are watered.

A toxin analysis machine can certainly be used on the greywater to find traces of caustic sodas or any compound that is not found in washing powdeers or diswashing liquids. The job would be made easier by taking the washing powder/liquid and diswashing liquid and any other cleaning agent Chelle uses. But as it's a greywater tank, caustics are seriously not recommended to use in septic systems.

The 'other tank' is also a holding tank which leads to a third tank. The liquid 'fertiliser lol' seeps from the main tank to the smaller tank and it is then pumped through an underground system laid on clay rods to seep directly into the ground. The filter system where the clay rods are is 140 cm's underground.

Hope that helped

Sami