Michelle Young: Pregnant Mom, NC. part 8

[close_enough]

I have this feeling, JY will not be coming to Raleigh anytime soon to pick up that SUV. I also suspect his lawyer will have it checked out as well - the defense team is going to want to look at it closely to determine what testing may have been done (WCSO is not obligated to tell them squat right now) and to see if a GPS is installed. Just a feeling as IMO.

I don't think Jy is stupid, but I doubt he is as smart as LE in the end...again JMO.

oh i agree...not in the end

 

[Samiya]

right Sami...i understand all of that, but i speculated (since reading that one & only post by a newbie, over at ctv) that some kind of special machine/equipment was brought in on the investigation, which could still mean it was brought in to a lab to comb through computer data.....

i'm probably putting too much into the comment i read...it's been way back when the "special machine" was brought up, & i can't for the life of me remember the name over at ctv....i just don't remember anyone actually stating that this "special" machine was brought into the home.....

That's true it may well have been, especially if they didn't already have one available in the area. It could've been brought in from another lab. The first I heard was when RC asked about it ages ago and never saw the post at ctv....still haven't read everything over there, lol. Too much to go through to actually find on topic stuff sometimes, lol.

Sami

 

[strach304]

Ok thanks Sami but since it was said to be a new machine they needed for this case is something like that now available for them to use to test? Anybody know or have ideas about that? I know in the Peterson case they used some kind of special vacuum said to have a special filter for capturing hair, fibers, etc.

 

[raisincharlie]

oh i agree...not in the end

We already have a few good indicators he is not that smart;

The retrieval of the fax by a person who claims she never goes to the house during the day. (Sami is right - LE is going to know everything about this)

Leaving the lap top in the SUV.

Daily contact either by phone or email with a whatever you want to call her.

To name a few...sure if we study, we can come up with a few others that are known.

 

[Samiya]

Ok thanks Sami but since it was said to be a new machine they needed for this case is something like that now available for them to use to test? Anybody know or have ideas about that? I know in the Peterson case they used some kind of special vacuum said to have a special filter for capturing hair, fibers, etc.

All they would need to do is lift the lid (in some cases break the seal first as septic systems are supposed to be sealed shut after installation) and take water samples. They would need a water vacuum or open the lid and lift the float to start pumping all the water into large containers if they needed to take copious amounts of water or the whole tank since there is sediment on the bottom. Then all they'd need to do is syphon off the majority of the water to leave the sediment at the bottom for analysis.

Sami

 

[otto]

I do think that there has been meetings/conversations with LE and JYs lawyer but I highly doubt the lawyer would advise JY to speak to them. He probably told him he will be the go between.

IMO

Ocean

That's my guess as well. It would be pretty unusual to outright refuse to answer questions, but placing a lawyer as a go between seems like a fair balance between a fear of being falsely implicated and providing information.

 

[close_enough]

We already have a few good indicators he is not that smart;

The retrieval of the fax by a person who claims she never goes to the house during the day. (Sami is right - LE is going to know everything about this)

Leaving the lap top in the SUV.

Daily contact either by phone or email with a whatever you want to call her.

To name a few...sure if we study, we can come up with a few others that are known.

right....i just think that he did a pretty good job w/planning this...(IF he did this, which i think he did)
...i think this will all boil down to a circumstantial evidence case...hope it's overwhelming CE....(hope i'm wrong & there's lots of forensic evidence)....

 

[otto]

Welcome back PackFan :clap: Just a shot in the dark that I noticed noone else probably wants to comment on with the Fishers I assume you mean he doesn't trust them with Cassidy for reasons other than the murder. Like alcohol abuse or drugs or possibly men either may be in a relationship with he doesn't want her around. I suppose that's the general idea.

Anybody familiar with septic sysytems versus city water? My brother is in San Diego or maybe Arizona till tomorrow so I can't ask him how the septics work. He has a house similar and out in the suburbs like the Youngs and I remember when he had a problem with his septic. Isn't it stored or whatever and pumped out? The possibility of a machine with a special filtering system comes to mind or something that is able to gauge toxins or chemicals, foreign matter, etc?

I grew up on an acreage and as far as I can recall, there is bacteria that breaks everything down. If you put bleach or other strong cleaners down the drain, you kill the bacteria and the tank fills up. Everything flows from the out a drain, just like in city sewage homes, and ends up in a tank in the back of the house where it then drains into the septic field. It's all rather natural and even if there were toxins in the septic tank, there wouldn't be any way to identify anything in the mix and know where it came from.

 

[otto]

for some reason i don't think GPS, after the fact, would matter at all....i think that once JY got to wherever he's staying, he's sat tight & hasn't moved...if he has, it's been very little & most likely local stores & such...

There is that old saying that criminals always return to the scene of the crime. Michael White of Edmonton returned to the place where he disposed of bloody clothes, was followed by police and was caught red handed ... so to speak. If Jason disposed of bloody clothes or weapon somewhere between his home and that of his parents, he may take a trip there to see if anything has been disturbed.

 

[Bee Charmer]

Originally Posted by close_enough
i tend to think the 'special equipment' was for combing through computer data, rather than the drains in the home or elsewhere......someone over at ctv (a newbie that never posted again) posted this info/speculation...course it's jmo....who knows what the special machine/equipment was for?

I could be wrong, but I think the information about the
"special machine" was contained in a media report. When I have
time, I will go back to WRAL and reread the early reports. If I find
it, I will post it.

Hope you are feeling better Close.

 

[Scout]

Originally Posted by close_enough
i tend to think the 'special equipment' was for combing through computer data, rather than the drains in the home or elsewhere......someone over at ctv (a newbie that never posted again) posted this info/speculation...course it's jmo....who knows what the special machine/equipment was for?

I could be wrong, but I think the information about the
"special machine" was contained in a media report. When I have
time, I will go back to WRAL and reread the early reports. If I find
it, I will post it.

Hope you are feeling better Close.

I recall it as a television report from Amanda Lamb (WRAL).

 

[close_enough]

Originally Posted by close_enough
i tend to think the 'special equipment' was for combing through computer data, rather than the drains in the home or elsewhere......someone over at ctv (a newbie that never posted again) posted this info/speculation...course it's jmo....who knows what the special machine/equipment was for?

I could be wrong, but I think the information about the
"special machine" was contained in a media report. When I have
time, I will go back to WRAL and reread the early reports. If I find
it, I will post it.

Hope you are feeling better Close.

right, it was first reported via the media...i remember hearing about it on Nancy Grace...aaah, i THINK Jean Casarus (i can never spell her name right) talked about it....but what i'm thinking is, it's never actually been verified as to what kind of "special machine" this was....even Jean C only speculated as to what it might have been.....

it doesn't really matter i guess, ultimately....it's just that i never heard, officially, exactly what this 'machine' was used for......

& thanks Bee...i'm off to the couch for awhile..

 

[Bee Charmer]

I recall it as a television report from Amanda Lamb (WRAL).

Whoops, I think you've jogged my memory. I have always
been very curious as to what the machine was.

Rest nice Close and feel better soon.

 

[raisincharlie]

right, it was first reported via the media...i remember hearing about it on Nancy Grace...aaah, i THINK Jean Casarus (i can never spell her name right) talked about it....but what i'm thinking is, it's never actually been verified as to what kind of "special machine" this was....even Jean C only speculated as to what it might have been.....

it doesn't really matter i guess, ultimately....it's just that i never heard, officially, exactly what this 'machine' was used for......

& thanks Bee...i'm off to the couch for awhile..

Nancy Grace it was:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0611/21/ng.01.html

ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: That`s right, Jane. All part of the time line they`re trying to reconstruct, you know, along with the forensic evidence. Today I spoke with Sam Pennica. He`s the director of the City County Bureau of Investigation. And they gather all the forensic evidence for the county, the state, the FBI.

They have had 19 investigators, you know, working that crime scene for 13 days, which is a lot longer than they normally do. They had to get a special machine, order one in -- that he wouldn`t tell me what that machine was for. But they are going over this with a fine-tooth comb.

 

[jilly]

still thinking on this.....Distaso DID use pics of SP's truck though as circumstantial evidence...his blood was in the truck (CE of him being cut & bled inside the truck)......could be something along those lines, IF anything was found in JY's truck.....hard to believe that JY (if he's the perp) didn't get injured in SOME kind of way while beathing Michelle....her scratching him maybe??.....aaaah, i don't know, ugh.... :waitasec:

'morning Close! I beg to differ - I think the chances of him being injured are slim to none. Didn't we read somewhere that she had defensive wounds? I'm trying to imagine this - if MY was sleeping and the first hit was not deadly then I think it makes sense that she would have immediately gone into a defensive mode.

I think there's more of a chance that the perp would be injured if he tried to strangle or suffocate the victim as we figured in the Peterson case.

 

[raisincharlie]

The SUV is returned - surely there should be a returned warrant for said vehicle by now - wonder if WRAL will publish it, if it has been sealed, or what the status of the warrant is. hmmmmm...

 

[jilly]

But they are going over this with a fine tooth-comb.

Too bad they missed the tooth!
sorry.....just had to comment about this phrase!

 

[raisincharlie]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Too bad they missed the tooth!
sorry.....just had to comment about this phrase!

ROFL :clap:

 

[scandi]

I thought it was a special machine to search for tiny or hard to see bits of evidence. Like a special vacuum?

 

[panthera]

Good Morning Charlie!

I wish I was as optimistic as you are about the return of the vehicle. Yes, video would suffice I guess but there is nothing more compelling than showing the actual truck to a jury and what and where things were found especially forensics.

The facts are though and this is what is puzzling to me, if any forensics are found on anything listed in a search warrant those items do not have to be returned and there is no way a defense lawyer can get them back as they are considered evidence.

The only reason Geragos was able to petition the court for the truck return was because there wasn't anything pertaining to Laci and Conner forensically found in that truck. Had there been the Petersons could whine all they wanted and it would have made no difference.

I am glad that forensics are now coming back but imo the returning of the truck is a blow to LE. Lets just hope the home yields conclusive evidence proving JY did this because imo nothing at all was found in the vehicle.

IMO

Ocean

Hi Ocean! So good to see you again!
I'm wondering with his SUV if it's possible they (LE) put a tracking device on it maybe? Not sure if that'd be legal or not; do you know?