Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother NC Part 1

[fran]

I just learned of this case last night from watching Greta. Here's the latest article I can find.

I have a feeling about this one. It's like we've been here and done that................just a little tweeking to NOT make a few of the mistakes as those who've gone this path before.

Guess time will tell.

JMHO
fran

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-lisay104969111nov10,0,911908.story?track=rss

In the pages of her 1995 Sayville High School yearbook, Michelle Marie Young's future seems inevitably bright.

She was co-captain of the cheerleading squad, a member of the National Honor Society and, in a hint of her fun side, part of a winning lip-synching team that sang "Do You Love Me?"

 

[Shadow205]

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[IndyLaw]

Greta is talking about this again RIGHT NOW!

 

[wufdude]

I was out tonight and rode by the house. Obviously I couldn't get very close but still a large LE presence and I did see several large satellites. No real news to report I guess.

 

[fran]

Greta is talking about this again RIGHT NOW!

And I caught it. Here's what I can remember:


Michelle quite often took Fridays off, so her not showing up at daycare on a Friday wasn't out of the norm.

Her husband Jason sold software for a company called Chart One. I looked them up, it has to do with medical record keeping.

Michelle's sister Meredith said she has never been asked to go to the home before. She got a call from Jason and he said there was a fax he didn't want his wife to see and asked her to go and get it.

Jason left for his business trip some time on Thursday and it was in the same town as his mom and step dad resided so he was going to visit them while he was there.

Jim Hammer was in front of the victim's home. He said that Michelle was very security conscious, even had a dog, but he did see several ways in which someone could enter the home. Six windows across the front of the house alone.

The neighborhood was very secluded, homes are large and spread apart. He showed the victim's home with the camera lights on it, then he showed the house across the street with no lights on. You couldn't even see the house it was so dark. No street lights.

Dr. Baden was on and he said that as the body was cold and stiff when Meredith tried to turn her over (at 1:30), he would place the death at about 10 hours or longer prior. He said midnight, ( I would say 10 hours from 1:30 is 3:30, so between 10:30 to 3:30, IMHO). He said that because there was so much blood from an object that tears the skin that causes it to bleed indicates it could be a hammer etc. He doesn't believe it was a sexual assault (LE hasn't indicated one way or the other), as with sexual assault death is usually from strangulation.

Gloria Allred: From a legal point of view, getting a lawyer immediately, good idea,......from public relations point of view, ehhh no. Why did they get a court order for finger prints and blood sample?

Greta, doesn't know if it's just standard procedure

Defense attorney Jeff Brown: He sees nothing wrong with the husband getting an attorney immediately.

Jim Hammer, about getting a lawyer, how about the human prospective? He would not get a lawyer and go directly to LE and tell them everything he knows.

FWIW, I emailed Greta about getting a lawyer right away and said, "I only have one thing to say, Daniel Horowitz. He found his wife and he had nothing to hide. What does this husband have to hide?"

JMHO
fran

 

[Scout]

The person who tried to implicate the 15 year old boy had his own agenda, and it wasn't based on fear, imo.

 

[fran]

The most dangerous time for a pregnant woman in an abusive relationship is the first and last trimester. This was stated over and over and over again leading up to and during the Peterson trial.

Michelle was murdered in her second trimester. (Oh no, this couldn't be the husband then!)

They were a wonderful couple, so happy. They were so successful for their age. (Have we heard this before?)

One of the reasons Scott P was suspected was because if it was a 'stranger' murder, he wouldn't bother 'hiding' her body. Well..............Michelle was left where she would be found. (Oh no, this couldn't be the husband!)

SP had no alibi. This guy, uhhhhh.........has an alibi of sorts, his mom and step dad. OH, who by the way, the parents have NOT given a formal statement to LE as of yet (It's only been a WEEK!). (Oh no, again, this couldn't be the husband, he had an alibi.............ehhhh at 3:30 a.m.?)...(also, the inlaws are so concerned with catching the 'real' killer, they haven't sat down and talked to LE???????????????)

But...............step dad to son....................don't talk to the cops and get a HIGH PROFILE attorney!!! OHHHKKKAAAYYYYYYY

The husband (IF he did it) is usually not the one to call LE to report the crime. Jason was out of town............ But, oh, Michelle wasn't missed so her work didn't call to see where she was,............so........voila!...........for the first time EVER, the victim's sister is asked to go to the home (when no one is there) to retrieve a (mysterious) fax he doesn't want his wife to see. (again, it couldn't have been the husband, he was out of town!)

Gosh! Wonder what the fax was? Was there a fax? WHO sent the fax?

OH, FWIW, did you all see the video of Jason walking at the funeral? I just thought it was interesting he was wearing shades and staring at the ground and whenever anyone spoke to him, (in the clip I saw anyway), he didn't even look up at them but continued to stare at the ground.....................interesting.

JMHO
fran

 

[Opie]

Good observations, fran. Much like (ugh) Scott Peterson, if this man is not guilty, he is sure trying hard to look as though he is. Yes, I know, there is no rule book for grief and all that. Way too many coincidences in this case too, as you so ably pointed out.

 

[jilly]

Catherine Crier just played the 911 call. I'd heard it before from the news link, but it is just so eerie listening to the little girl in the background as Michelle's sister is trying to see if she is alive.

I felt so sorry for her sister! Poor woman. What did you think about the 911 operator? I've never heard anything like it. The poor girl is in shock and her sister is laying face down in a pool of blood and cold (which she told him a couple of times). The little girl is right with the sister and she's trying to get her to play in her room and he keeps going on about turning over her sister.

Obviously (as he stated) he was planning on giving her CPR instructions if she was still alive but I've just never heard something like this before.

 

[fran]

Wow! When Greta was still on the air, I sent her an email as I mentioned above where I mentioned Daniel Horowitz.

She already responded! She said "Good point."

FWIW, last night, Greta and Jeff Feiger and I can't remember the other defense attorney's name, ALL thought it "not good" that he'd already obtained an attorney. Greta still sounded like that tonight.

JMHO
fran

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I took it to mean the 15 year old's household. I'm sure the police are not referring to a two year old little girl.

Hi SewingDeb. Darn ... wish I'd used the " :slap: " icon to demonstrate I was throwing in a 'line' based on some of the interpretations/comments coming out of that news 'forum'. Sorry ----> been put in my place .

Panthera: thanks for your note, too .

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Wow! When Greta was still on the air, I sent her an email as I mentioned above where I mentioned Daniel Horowitz.

She already responded! She said "Good point."

FWIW, last night, Greta and Jeff Feiger and I can't remember the other defense attorney's name, ALL thought it "not good" that he'd already obtained an attorney. Greta still sounded like that tonight.

JMHO
fran

Thanks, fran for comments and insight from Greta's show along with your own comments . Good point re Horowitz - great she replied to you.

Heavens, I have to agree that getting a H-Profile lawyer appeared more important to Jason than getting right to his wife/house/scene and asking LE "what the hell happened here!!!???".

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I was out tonight and rode by the house. Obviously I couldn't get very close but still a large LE presence and I did see several large satellites. No real news to report I guess.

Hi wufdude - so, the media are growing in number, then... thanks for the observations. Looks like this is going to top the channels, again. For a senseless murder of a young, julbilant, pregnant mom :banghead: . Ugh!

From fran's feedback in her "Greta-Posts", I'm wondering which part of 'the testimony' that LE had referred to as not matching, fits in to this story?

Maybe there was no fax?

Maybe Michelle wasn't in the clothes he claimed she was in?

Maybe Jason claimed Michelle was at work to his sister - when he may have known Michelle was not due in that particular Friday?

Maybe there was no 'arranged' business meeting out of town and he was cold-calling - meaning it wasn't critical that he leave at the hour he claimed to leave?

From the above, maybe Jason's real departure time clashes?

Maybe someone else saw his vehicle and he didn't know it?

Maybe he set it up so that the 'company' that was present that night would be "the last person known" to be with Michelle?

Maybe he *claimed* he passed a car as he left with (example) specific headlights, bumper/exhaust or taillights - perhaps a loose number plate - or something that warranted LE to take pics of what appeared to be license plates?

That poor baby: "mommy's boo-booooos"; Oh, dear! Meredith held up well, under the chronic circustances; I felt she was struggling to maintain her wits.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

If the husband knew his wife's work schedule and knew she sometimes took Friday's off, why would he have a fax sent there to begin with? (I have read the thread and I am sure one of you may have asked this allready, sorry, I am just slow to "chime in" sometimes!) That sends off bad vibes in my opinion- and to call the SIL to retrieve a fax (when he had never done that before) when he knew full well that his wife could have been home seems very suspect to me. (Even if he "called home" and the wife didn't answer, wouldn't he have called her work, just to say "hi" if he wanted to make sure she wasn't home so there would be no chance of her seeing the "top secret fax"???) I am pretty sure he could have rerouted the fax- he could have gone to a bank or otherwise to get an important fax for a minimal fee. That part of his "story" doesn't sit well with me.


As per the 15 year old, I can't see any suspicion pointing in that way because as an earlier poster pointed out that he would have carried a lot of evidence back to his own home.

Right now, only the husband seems likely to have committed this crime and it does seem to have a lot of similarities to the Laci Peterson case. (wufdude, thanks for your contributions here!)

 

[czechmate7]

Has anyone heard anything else about the fax? I'm sure LE retrieved it...wonder what it was about?

 

[Shadow205]

Neighbors of Michelle Young, who was beaten to death last week, want answers
<snip>
"We're still horrified, we're curious and we want some resolve," said Tracey Pleasant, an Enchanted Oaks resident who was with her husband Thursday evening walking their golden retriever, Cody. "We're ready for [investigators] to give us some answers."

more at the link http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/509251.html

 

[fran]

Thanks, fran for comments and insight from Greta's show along with your own comments . Good point re Horowitz - great she replied to you.

Heavens, I have to agree that getting a H-Profile lawyer appeared more important to Jason than getting right to his wife/house/scene and asking LE "what the hell happened here!!!???".

Hi PSA! :blowkiss:

I haven't seen you for quite some time. Glad you're still posting on WS.

On Greta's Thursday show, it sounded as if the husband had obtained an attorney before he even went back home. IE, while still at his parent's home.

That does not bode well for Jason, IMO. I think many of, even the defense attorneys, aren't liking this part either.

After all, they watched one of their own, Daniel Horowitz, go through this same type of horrific crime with his own wife. Although he is a defense attorney, Daniel acted like any other 'innocent' person and cooperated completely with LE from the get go. He was devastated and showed it.

I'm not necessarily saying Jason did this crime, I don't know,........but,........I'm not liking what I've seen so far with regard to the husband.

I'll be interested to see IF there is a sizeable life insurance policy and IF the husband has some secret life.

Greta did say the fax information is a very interesting part of the investigation and she's anxious to hear what it said.

JMHO
fran

 

[fran]

Good observations, fran. Much like (ugh) Scott Peterson, if this man is not guilty, he is sure trying hard to look as though he is. Yes, I know, there is no rule book for grief and all that. Way too many coincidences in this case too, as you so ably pointed out.

Hi Opie!

I love watching all of these true crime shows that are on now; but, unfortunately these same programs are helping the criminals as well.

From closely watching the Laci Peterson case as well as several others, we've learned what LE looks at to solve a crime. Now the criminals are learning, first-hand, what to avoid.

Years and years ago, fingerprints were used to convict many people. Now it takes DNA evidence. Criminals have learned to either completely make the victim disappear or commit the crime in their own home where their DNA would naturally be anyway.

When it comes to spousal murder, we've learned that the husband is the first POI AND that IF it is the husband, he quite often is NOT the one to phone in the crime. In recent years, there have been several cases where it did turn out to be the husband although he called it in himself, but he slipped up somewhere else.

Computers are being used to help find private lives of guilty spouses, so now we have the computer hard drives disappear (ie the March case), or, perhaps laptops disappearing altogether. Of course, the criminals should know, that although they can remove their harddrives or 'lose' their laptops, IF there was anything put out in cyberspace that can be tracked back to them, it's there FOREVER!

The one thing about a number of these criminals is they think they're smarter than everyone else. Many of them plan out their crime and think they have all the bases covered. They watch shows like CSI and the 24/7 news shows and think they know how to avoid detection.

I have a daughter who's a chemist in LE. What the criminals don't realize is that these people dedicated to protecting the public and solving crimes, spend many hours of their time when not catching a criminal, learning and creating NEW ways to catch the bad guys.

It's a cat and mouse game.

Circumstantial evidence will always be the most important part of evidence gathered. Circumstantial evidence, more often than not, will out-weigh even eye witness accounts.

The criminal needs to realize that there is no coincidenc when it comes to murder.

JMHO
fran

 

[jilly]

Gosh! Wonder what the fax was? Was there a fax? WHO sent the fax?

Hi Fran. Yes the fax. Just like when I first heard about Scott Peterson going fishing on Christmas Eve leaving a pregnant woman at home - the fax here set off my hinkey meter.

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Hey, fran ------------> PSA warmly returns hugs and salutations :blowkiss: :blowkiss:

I tend to dive in to W/S between projects, etc, lol I read regularly, as always. Chris Porco's forum and this thread has me glued all over again. It's nice to see you too: miss thoughtfox and newswolf's posts ...

Dying to know what the 'mixed testimony' was all about - and yes indeed: THE FAX!! Your Horowitz comparison is an excellent concept, especially as he's a defense lawyer himself. Just goes to show, eh!?

We're all coming up with the same unanswered questions in here, some include: who was the company; whate exact time did he leave; was there a real business appointment (as opposed to a trip) did he not try to call Michelle at work. If he did try to call, then why was no red flag alerted especially as a 2 year old baby happened to be a major part of Michelle's movements. If he knew Michelle wouldn't be at work - why get a fax sent? Meredith claims it was the first time ever he'd called and asked her to go and collect this 'surprise fax' from his house. (Oooh-er, remember Scott's 'fax' from the boathouse???)

Until the above are cleared, it's my opinion that Jase has no Case.

Hi PSA! :blowkiss:

I haven't seen you for quite some time. Glad you're still posting on WS.

On Greta's Thursday show, it sounded as if the husband had obtained an attorney before he even went back home. IE, while still at his parent's home.

That does not bode well for Jason, IMO. I think many of, even the defense attorneys, aren't liking this part either.

After all, they watched one of their own, Daniel Horowitz, go through this same type of horrific crime with his own wife. Although he is a defense attorney, Daniel acted like any other 'innocent' person and cooperated completely with LE from the get go. He was devastated and showed it.

I'm not necessarily saying Jason did this crime, I don't know,........but,........I'm not liking what I've seen so far with regard to the husband.

I'll be interested to see IF there is a sizeable life insurance policy and IF the husband has some secret life.

Greta did say the fax information is a very interesting part of the investigation and she's anxious to hear what it said.

JMHO
fran