Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother NC Part 2

[close_enough]

packerdog and Scout - this question may seem frustrating - but it's fair play. IF JY was in a bus meeting - and had travelled all that way - he'd not have interrupted the meeting to sort personal affairs (one would anticipate). A 'good call' was earlier suggested here that if JY was so adamant that MY not see the fax then why not instruct the service provider to hang back until JY was ready to manage the paperwork. Was the fax necessary?

Over and above all this, Cynical Cynthia inside of me returns and asks: Good Lord, he wanted a leather purse? Those are available up to midnight Dec 24: it's not as if he was ordering a Bengal Tiger from the outreaches of Asia. I.e: This was not a critical issue to address then and there - esp given the circumstances he was on a bus trip.

Hmmmm, ... JY has a company to respond to and if his alibi, integrity is not looking right, he's out of a job. Maybe he has more than one reason to 'be sure'.

regarding "Was the fax necessary?"......
...i think it was necessary to 'cha' (cover his azz)...so when LE questions Meredith, there will be a real fax from someone sent to him, for her to pick up...one that he didn't want Michelle to see......

you're absolutely right....why even bother with this during a 2 day trip??..why not wait & deal with this after he got back home??....IF there's a fax, & i think there is, i think he had already had it sent to the house, prior to leaving that Thursday...put it somewhere on or around the computer, then used that for a "fluke" thing...pretending he forgot he left it, & needed Meredith to go over while Michelle was gone to work to pick it up.....but that's just me....lol, my goodness there's a TON of posts since i left earlier today......

 

[close_enough]

So...did I get this right on Greta tonite? - Jason drove back to his house after he heard the news and that's when they took his SUV from him?

I thought I had read that the cops took his luggage as well as his family's. Which family was that? I was thinking all along that it was his parents.

Jason was en route apparently, to his parents house, (from the business meeting) when they got wind of Michelle's death...Jason's step-father told him when he got there....now that's the way i understand it all....

then Jason & his parents traveled back to Raleigh...once there, LE took his white SUV, which apparently still had luggage in it...again, this the way i understand it....

 

[jilly]

Jason was en route apparently, to his parents house, (from the business meeting) when they got wind of Michelle's death...Jason's step-father told him when he got there....now that's the way i understand it all....

then Jason & his parents traveled back to Raleigh...once there, LE took his white SUV, which apparently still had luggage in it...again, this the way i understand it....

OK, thanks Close- didn't hear that the parents went back with him. Guess they were surprised when the cops grabbed the SUV. Maybe that's the basis for getting him a lawyer so quickly.

I missed the beginning of Greta - so she actually interviewed the Sheriff? What did he respond with - can't talk about that right now?

 

[otto]

Most definitely ! I used Chart One just as an idea, as it is the only "known" I am aware of. I am having great trouble believing any meeting he had was in Virginia though, it certainly doesn't add up.

If you go to google and search "Chart One VA" a lot of sites come up, so he could have been at a company meeting. As I mentioned before, I would expect that traveling software salesmen have districts that they work in and since there are offices in VA, his area should have been in NC. As far as I know, the VA tip is from a friend of Jason and was posted on a message board. It may be true and it may not be. Has anyone found any media info about it?

 

[otto]

oh thanks raisin!....there's a tiny road just beyond the woods behind the house...someone could have parked there & walked straight through to the back of the house, looks like to me, without any problem....wonder if LE has checked for tire prints around that area.....this is a great aerial photo

It is a great aerial. Where's the trailer park? Did it just spring up in the middle of the forest where there are no roads since 2002?

 

[close_enough]

OK, thanks Close- didn't hear that the parents went back with him. Guess they were surprised when the cops grabbed the SUV. Maybe that's the basis for getting him a lawyer so quickly.

I missed the beginning of Greta - so she actually interviewed the Sheriff? What did he respond with - can't talk about that right now?

yeah, there was some of that, but he did confirm that Meredith told them she was sent over there to get a fax, that Jason didn't want Michelle to see...there were things he obviously knows, but said he "wasn't prepared to answer", like "was there a fax there?", ugh, lol......

you could tell that he was really thinking before he would say anything.....i believe he said he had never been called to this area Enchanted Oaks??? for any crime of this nature....oh gosh, i can't think now....lol

when asked if Jason was cooperative on Friday, Nov 3rd, it took forEVER for him to 'walk around' that question...it was obvious the answer was "NO" without him having to say "NO".....his facial expressions also gave it away...imo

 

[strach304]

Here's a link for a map (hope it works) http://www.mapquest.com/atlas/?region=ncarlina

No part of Virginia being the meeting location and justification for visiting parents makes sense to me. Long drop from the western end imo especially when you take the trip back into consideration. I'm not sure that person who stated Va. is accurate but if so kinda strange I think.

Lets go back to the beginning reports that said he was traveling on business and visting family while out of town. Didn't we originally assume from reports that he stayed at the parents house? It was said he would've arrived while they were sleeping and I know one of the media talking heads commented about this case on family alibi being unreliable.

Maybe he didn't stay at a hotel after all and the 11 pm phone call was made from the direction of his trip say two hours into it knowing the cell phone towers will ping it. He then goes back home which fits in with TOD. Parents can't verify within a two hour timespan of his arrival possibly. LE is gonna have to place him somewhere so if his alibi is possibly fishy why aren't they showing pics of him and the vehicle like they did SP?

 

[close_enough]

It is a great aerial. Where's the trailer park? Did it just spring up in the middle of the forest where there are no roads since 2002?

hi otto....i didn't see a trailer park either, but maybe i didn't zoom in enough...but i THINK, if there's one, it's just beyond that tiny road that's beyond the wooded area, behind the Young's home....(did that make sense)

....i'm all into some maps right now

 

[scandi]

Yes Close_Enough, Greta had a good one on one with the Sheriff and it wasn't so much the words or statement that she got out of him but rather the inflection in the words he was saying.

I came away from her show thinking that LE has definite suspicions on JASON. He only met once with LE and that was for a very short time - I'm thinking 15 min or so if that. He made it real clear that minute that SUV drove up to the house it was confiscated with everything in it. They are doing everything by the book, in fact when the sheriffs men got there on first call, they were told what kind of a crime was involved and didn't even go into the house. Only CSI went in.

The sheriff said there was an attorney who lived like 8 houses down the road who could tell from the operation what the crime involved, and his comment was _ "There's no Jack The Ripper stalking our neighborhood". And the Sheriff saidi yes, it is not a crime from an outsider, or something that made me think that. What he said ruled out anyone who was not family or someone who knew her very well IMHO.

Looks like we've possibly got another Mama's boy like Entwhistle except Jason has a regular job, Bet we learn a lot of weird stuff like we did about Entwhistle and SP. He is keeping a very low profile. Hmmmnmmmmmm :banghead:

And they said she put up one he!! of a fight! Scandi

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Sadly, the step father's reaction may be inspired by events surrounding the high profile Duke case - as you know things there have not looked good for police or the DA. This issue and mistrust of LE may simply be a carry over.

Hi Charlie!

I think it is a sign of the changing times. The husband seems to become a target immediately. It doesn't matter if they are innocent or guilty. I try to think about what would I do if someone was trying to pin a murder on me and logically I know even though I would be innocent that would have to be the scariest situation I can think of knowing that some people have been convicted that are innocent. LE has so much power and can crush. Even if the person is not guilty the appearance of suspicion can ruin their lives.

So I think his step-father is only trying to protect him from being an easy target and feels Jason is innocent.

Heck now I read on some message boards where parents are advising their children if they are ever stopped by LE not to say anything and ask for a lawyer. So as I said times are changing imo.

Remember when Jennifer Wilbanks husband-to-be got a lawyer, refused to take their poly? He knew they were trying to implicate him as if he had murdered Jennifer but of course she was only Greyhound bound!

IMO

Ocean

 

[close_enough]

Here's a link for a map (hope it works) http://www.mapquest.com/atlas/?region=ncarlina

No part of Virginia being the meeting location and justification for visiting parents makes sense to me. Long drop from the western end imo especially when you take the trip back into consideration. I'm not sure that person who stated Va. is accurate but if so kinda strange I think.

Lets go back to the beginning reports that said he was traveling on business and visting family while out of town. Didn't we originally assume from reports that he stayed at the parents house? It was said he would've arrived while they were sleeping and I know one of the media talking heads commented about this case on family alibi being unreliable.
Maybe he didn't stay at a hotel after all and the 11 pm phone call was made from the direction of his trip say two hours into it knowing the cell phone towers will ping it. He then goes back home which fits in with TOD. Parents can't verify within a two hour timespan of his arrival possibly. LE is gonna have to place him somewhere so if his alibi is possibly fishy why aren't they showing pics of him and the vehicle like they did SP?

you're right...when i first started reading here, that was the concensus, from what i could tell......ok..Grey's Anatomy starts at 9 pm eastern time....let's say friends show up around 8'ish-8:30 pm...the show is over at 10 pm & they hang around till 10:30.....IF JY left while they were there, that's probably a 2, maybe 3 hour span of when he could have left for his business trip.....

i see what you're saying...he could have left betw 8 pm & 10:30...drove until is was 11 pm, then decided to call & check on Michelle for the night, so the phone records would show him en route to his parents....then he cuts his cell phone off, & heads back to the house, arriving, say midnight...1 am or so...maybe even 2 am....he does whatever it is he MIGHT have done, then heads back out on the road toward his parent's home.......then that would have put him getting to his parents at ...oh gosh...not in the middle of the night if it's a 5 hour drive...

ugh, another night of dwelling on this....hmmm

 

[strach304]

This link to chart one's website shows locations under the contact tab: http://www.chartone.com/contact/locations.php

These however are listings from google for chart one va. as Otto suggested: http://www.chartone.com/contact/ssjob.php?id=238
http://www.chartone.com/contact/ssjob.php?id=269

The second set look to me to be advs. for a job without a location for any home office in those areas but rather employees to work in those areas. These don't look like sales positions either but rather like data processors of some sort because of the mention of visiting strings of area clinics. I don't think his meeting involved one of the chart one offices but rather a client location just based on where their offices are.

 

[close_enough]

Yes Close_Enough, Greta had a good one on one with the Sheriff and it wasn't so much the words or statement that she got out of him but rather the inflection in the words he was saying.

I came away from her show thinking that LE has definite suspicions on JASON. He only met once with LE and that was for a very short time - I'm thinking 15 min or so if that. He made it real clear that minute that SUV drove up to the house it was confiscated with everything in it. They are doing everything by the book, in fact when the sheriffs men got there on first call, they were told what kind of a crime was involved and didn't even go into the house. Only CSI went in.

The sheriff said there was an attorney who lived like 8 houses down the road who could tell from the operation what the crime involved, and his comment was _ "There's no Jack The Ripper stalking our neighborhood". And the Sheriff saidi yes, it is not a crime from an outsider, or something that made me think that. What he said ruled out anyone who was not family or someone who knew her very well IMHO.

Looks like we've possibly got another Mama's boy like Entwhistle except Jason has a regular job, Bet we learn a lot of weird stuff like we did about Entwhistle and SP. He is keeping a very low profile. Hmmmnmmmmmm :banghead:

And they said she put up one he!! of a fight! Scandi

yes, Scandi...you're right..i heard this also....

& Greta seemed a little surprised that the sheriff's office didn't go in first, but contacted CSI instead...

i thought the interview was quite revealing, actually.....at least it's more than what we've been hearing from LE, which is ...nothing

 

[strach304]

Yes Close_Enough, Greta had a good one on one with the Sheriff and it wasn't so much the words or statement that she got out of him but rather the inflection in the words he was saying.

I came away from her show thinking that LE has definite suspicions on JASON. He only met once with LE and that was for a very short time - I'm thinking 15 min or so if that. He made it real clear that minute that SUV drove up to the house it was confiscated with everything in it. They are doing everything by the book, in fact when the sheriffs men got there on first call, they were told what kind of a crime was involved and didn't even go into the house. Only CSI went in.

The sheriff said there was an attorney who lived like 8 houses down the road who could tell from the operation what the crime involved, and his comment was _ "There's no Jack The Ripper stalking our neighborhood". And the Sheriff saidi yes, it is not a crime from an outsider, or something that made me think that. What he said ruled out anyone who was not family or someone who knew her very well IMHO.

Looks like we've possibly got another Mama's boy like Entwhistle except Jason has a regular job, Bet we learn a lot of weird stuff like we did about Entwhistle and SP. He is keeping a very low profile. Hmmmnmmmmmm :banghead:

And they said she put up one he!! of a fight! Scandi

I didn't get to see the show Scandi but I trust your judgment They said she put up a fight? Gives me alot of hope they have dna from her nails or blood from the perp. :dance: We shall see.

 

[pack_fan]

Here's a link for a map (hope it works) http://www.mapquest.com/atlas/?region=ncarlina

No part of Virginia being the meeting location and justification for visiting parents makes sense to me. Long drop from the western end imo especially when you take the trip back into consideration. I'm not sure that person who stated Va. is accurate but if so kinda strange I think.

Lets go back to the beginning reports that said he was traveling on business and visting family while out of town. Didn't we originally assume from reports that he stayed at the parents house? It was said he would've arrived while they were sleeping and I know one of the media talking heads commented about this case on family alibi being unreliable.

Maybe he didn't stay at a hotel after all and the 11 pm phone call was made from the direction of his trip say two hours into it knowing the cell phone towers will ping it. He then goes back home which fits in with TOD. Parents can't verify within a two hour timespan of his arrival possibly. LE is gonna have to place him somewhere so if his alibi is possibly fishy why aren't they showing pics of him and the vehicle like they did SP?

I don't have any reason to doubt that reports from a friend of his stating that the business meeting was in Va. are incorrect. If in fact he is a close friend of Jason's, I do know for certain that several of their (Michelle and Jason) friends sat down with him and talked for a while the day of the funeral. The whole group were friends, guys and girls included. Many dated through college and married afterwards so this doesn't post any red flags for me. In my opinion, this could very well be true. I think the media jumped on the bandwagon initially when they heard business trip and parents and immediately thought that he was staying with the parents the whole time. Seems like I remember hearing since that they may be reporting that he in fact stayed in a hotel at this point (it's all starting to run together :waitasec: ).

It also doesn't seem weird to me that he was planning on visiting family. I have been told that he was close with his family but take it for what it is worth. Remember, it is a good drive to brevard from virginia, but probably still shorter than driving from Raleigh.

Here's what I really want to know.

1. Where was the hotel he stayed in and what time did he check in.
2. Was the 11 pm phone call made from the hotel or cell phone.
3. If it was the cell phone, need to verify that the call originated from where he said he was at the time.
4. Also something I learned from the Duke case. They could tell what time one of the Lacrosse player checked into the dorm by the key you swipe to let you in. I suppose most hotels have these plastic cards for keys anymore and if it is possible to see what times he used the key to get in the room. Not to mention video of the entrances to verify that he didn't leave.
5. What time he actually left the house. We know that friends were over until 10:30 but have heard no mention in the mainstream media if he was there when they arrived or not. I think some people have speculated but I can't say for sure. If in fact he didn't leave until 8 or after, I don't think that would give him time to get to a hotel in western va. If so, he would have had to call from his cell phone and was he where he should have been according to the time he left the house. If so, did he check in at the hotel within a reasonable amount of time after that.

Did anyone else get the impression that the sheriff sort of grinned when greta asked about the murder weapon. He wouldn't answer the question directly but said something to the effect of the investigators have collected a lot of evidence. In my twisted mind, I got the impression that was a yes but could be wrong, anyone else see that?

 

[close_enough]

Yes Close_Enough, Greta had a good one on one with the Sheriff and it wasn't so much the words or statement that she got out of him but rather the inflection in the words he was saying.

I came away from her show thinking that LE has definite suspicions on JASON. He only met once with LE and that was for a very short time - I'm thinking 15 min or so if that. He made it real clear that minute that SUV drove up to the house it was confiscated with everything in it. They are doing everything by the book, in fact when the sheriffs men got there on first call, they were told what kind of a crime was involved and didn't even go into the house. Only CSI went in.

The sheriff said there was an attorney who lived like 8 houses down the road who could tell from the operation what the crime involved, and his comment was _ "There's no Jack The Ripper stalking our neighborhood". And the Sheriff saidi yes, it is not a crime from an outsider, or something that made me think that. What he said ruled out anyone who was not family or someone who knew her very well IMHO.

Looks like we've possibly got another Mama's boy like Entwhistle except Jason has a regular job, Bet we learn a lot of weird stuff like we did about Entwhistle and SP. He is keeping a very low profile. Hmmmnmmmmmm :banghead:

And they said she put up one he!! of a fight! Scandi

meant to add this to my last response, Scandi.....i knew i had heard somewhere along the way that Michelle put up a hard fight/struggle....Greta said there was so much blood, (assume she has sources for that statement) that there would have been a struggle...

 

[jilly]

yeah, there was some of that, but he did confirm that Meredith told them she was sent over there to get a fax, that Jason didn't want Michelle to see...there were things he obviously knows, but said he "wasn't prepared to answer", like "was there a fax there?", ugh, lol......

you could tell that he was really thinking before he would say anything.....i believe he said he had never been called to this area Enchanted Oaks??? for any crime of this nature....oh gosh, i can't think now....lol

when asked if Jason was cooperative on Friday, Nov 3rd, it took forEVER for him to 'walk around' that question...it was obvious the answer was "NO" without him having to say "NO".....his facial expressions also gave it away...imo

Appreciated Close! :blowkiss:

 

[pack_fan]

meant to add this to my last response, Scandi.....i knew i had heard somewhere along the way that Michelle put up a hard fight/struggle....Greta said there was so much blood, (assume she has sources for that statement) that there would have been a struggle...

I don't remember hearing anything about a struggle. I had assumed (I know its wrong :doh: ) that since there was blood mentioned being in the bed that she was attacked there. I do remember statements about it being a brutal crime, just assumed (there I go again) that she was beaten so badly that the blood was hers.

Hopefully, you are both right and there will be dna evidence.

As much blood as they say is at the scene, there will be blood in his car if he did it. Don't think you could get it all off. All they need is a speck.

That reminds me of something else I left off my list of things I want to know.

If he was at home when the friends arrived, I would like to find out what he was wearing. Did he check into the hotel in the same clothes and were they in the suitcase when he made it back to raleigh. Could have ditched the clothes in between if he did it.

 

[close_enough]

I don't have any reason to doubt that reports from a friend of his stating that the business meeting was in Va. are incorrect. If in fact he is a close friend of Jason's, I do know for certain that several of their (Michelle and Jason) friends sat down with him and talked for a while the day of the funeral. The whole group were friends, guys and girls included. Many dated through college and married afterwards so this doesn't post any red flags for me. In my opinion, this could very well be true. I think the media jumped on the bandwagon initially when they heard business trip and parents and immediately thought that he was staying with the parents the whole time. Seems like I remember hearing since that they may be reporting that he in fact stayed in a hotel at this point (it's all starting to run together :waitasec: ).

It also doesn't seem weird to me that he was planning on visiting family. I have been told that he was close with his family but take it for what it is worth. Remember, it is a good drive to brevard from virginia, but probably still shorter than driving from Raleigh.

Here's what I really want to know.

1. Where was the hotel he stayed in and what time did he check in.
2. Was the 11 pm phone call made from the hotel or cell phone.
3. If it was the cell phone, need to verify that the call originated from where he said he was at the time.
4. Also something I learned from the Duke case. They could tell what time one of the Lacrosse player checked into the dorm by the key you swipe to let you in. I suppose most hotels have these plastic cards for keys anymore and if it is possible to see what times he used the key to get in the room. Not to mention video of the entrances to verify that he didn't leave.
5. What time he actually left the house. We know that friends were over until 10:30 but have heard no mention in the mainstream media if he was there when they arrived or not. I think some people have speculated but I can't say for sure. If in fact he didn't leave until 8 or after, I don't think that would give him time to get to a hotel in western va. If so, he would have had to call from his cell phone and was he where he should have been according to the time he left the house. If so, did he check in at the hotel within a reasonable amount of time after that.
Did anyone else get the impression that the sheriff sort of grinned when greta asked about the murder weapon. He wouldn't answer the question directly but said something to the effect of the investigators have collected a lot of evidence. In my twisted mind, I got the impression that was a yes but could be wrong, anyone else see that?

hi Pack

thanks for the info....& good question, that i've put in red....you've given me something else to think about, for sure.....

& yes, Greta was trying hard to weasle anything about a murder weapon, from the Sheriff....you're right; he gave a slight grin, when he said they've collected a lot of evidence....

 

[strach304]

Pack Fan, I haven't seen it reported that he stayed in a hotel for sure but I could've missed it. Yes the electronic key pass from a hotel always registers the date and time you enter which is why I brought up that maybe he didn't stay in one. At the same time though the media also made it sound like the visit with family somehow coincided with his business trip. I realize how inaccurate any of this info can be and even if LE has verified Jason's exact whereabouts and he was far away if he had a motive they will persue even a hired-hit theory. If actually in Virginia from the map I posted I see no part that would be closer to Brevard than Raleigh, are you looking at where Tennesee touches and thought that was Virginia? I didn't map it out or anything because the exact location hasn't been given so I'm just going by eye at the illustration.