Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother NC Part 3

[MrsMush99]

I did listen, and maybe it is just my heart that doesnt want to believe he did it-- I am thinking a 2 year old would maybe just be talking about daddy because he wasnt there- and the tape seems to be cut out a bit, I would lean more towards him having it done more than anything- his appearance doesnt strike me as the kind that could do it- ( i think he looks like a weasel-- sneaky, but chicken)

I still think I hear "gotta" and not "daddy" on that 911 call. :waitasec:

 

[jilly]

Jason's cellphone would have had GPS on it so it would track where he was even if he wasn't using the phone.

I found this interesting but I guess LE can't even get his phone at this point.

 

[j2mirish]

I still think I hear "gotta" and not "daddy" on that 911 call. :waitasec:

even as articulate as she is, there are spots it is very hard for me to HEAR what she says- even though the little darling is just talking her little heart out--- the other thing i think i notice, is that she is very calm in her conversations--- michelles aunt was very good with her, but i believe if she had seen her daddy do those things to her mommy, she would have been crying, and very upset

 

[j2mirish]

I found this interesting but I guess LE can't even get his phone at this point.

where did that info come from?- cant they get the phone records which would be just as good? - just throwing that out, cause I still dont quite understand all this cell phone tower, pinging stuff !!

 

[raisincharlie]

I found this interesting but I guess LE can't even get his phone at this point.

jilly,

they don't need to have the telephone in hand - all the information they need (calls made, received, tower check in reports) can be obtained under subpeona from the phone service provider. The phone itself is not necessary.

I posted this link earlier - it explains how the phone system works...

http://www.mindfully.org/Technology/2005/Cell-Site-Location-Smith14oct05.htm

When a cell phone is powered up, it acts as a scanning radio, searching through a list of control channels for the strongest signal. The cell phone re-scans every seven seconds or when the signal strength weakens, regardless of whether a call is placed. The cell phone searches for a five-digit number known as the System Identification Code assigned to service providers. After selecting a channel, the cell phone identifies itself by sending its programmed codes which identify the phone, the phone’s owner, and the service provider. These codes include an Electronic Serial Number (a unique 32-bit number programmed into the phone by the manufacturer), and a Mobile Identification Number, a 10-digit number derived from the phone’s number.

The cell site relays these codes to the mobile telecommunications switching office in a process known as registration. The registration process is explained in the Department of Justice’s Electronic Surveillance Manual:

Cellular telephones that are powered on will automatically register or re-register with a cellular tower as the phone travels within the provider’s service area. The registration process is the technical means by which the network identifies the subscriber, validates the account and determines where to route call traffic. This exchange occurs on a dedicated control channel that is clearly separate from that used for call content (i.e. audio)–which occurs on a separate dedicated channel.

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[oceanblueeyes]

Yeppers, looks like the people know more than the media is willing to give out at this point. 18 days is plenty of time for those tests, right? They put a push on them when there is a double murder like this.

I had a thought Strach. The case could be becoming quite a complicated one for investigators. They mentioned it was very complicated. Doesn't seem that way to us, right?

But think of this. The auto accident in '05 - Cassidy not in car - Michelle pregnant with 2nd child, a boy. Murder in '06 - Cassidy safe in home and not injured - Michelle pregnant with now 2nd child, a boy?

If investigators now think the accident is suspicious when they line it up with the new tragedy of Michelle's death and circumstances of it, they are going to have to get those ducks in a row too to prove premeditation, right. To prove there was no way he was going to raise and be responsible for a son. Both boy babies dead.

They said at CTV he was happy he was going to have a boy, but he might have just been saying that and it is what he really didn't want, just like Scott Peterson. Wasn't it a son Scott had no interest in having?

PS: If that is the case it would be 3 counts of murder one, right?

Scandi

I don't think they have a fetal homicide law in NC do they? Or maybe the baby has to be of a certain age.

So if he is arrested he will not be charged in babies deaths even if he is guilty.

IMO

Ocean

 

[scandi]

Hi Ocean,

I thought Laci's Law which is Federal, right, was made just for this reason. I thought Sharon went to Wash DC when that law was signed.

Scandi

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Hi Ocean,

I thought Laci's Law which is Federal, right, was made just for this reason. I thought Sharon went to Wash DC when that law was signed.

Scandi

Yes it is a Federal law but this case will be handled totally by the State of NC imo.

IMO

Ocean

 

[otto]

Hi Ocean,

I thought Laci's Law which is Federal, right, was made just for this reason. I thought Sharon went to Wash DC when that law was signed.

Scandi

Just was searching that question and found this:

"Although North Carolina does not have a fetal homicide law, it does have laws providing punishment for harming a fetus. Former pro football player Rae Carruth, convicted of plotting the murder of his pregnant girlfriend, was also found guilty of "using an instrument with intent to destroy an unborn child." His girlfriend eventually died from gunshot wounds, but her baby was delivered by Caesarean section 10 weeks early and survived."
http://www.courttv.com/news/2003/0326/fetalhomicide_ctv.html

... still looking for more

Here it is: http://www.nrlc.org/Unborn_Victims/Statehomicidelaws092302.html

North Carolina is not included.

 

[raisincharlie]

Night everyone ! My priorities require that I now log onto the RM Classic Cars auction, they will be auctioning several classics including Danica Patrick's car. If you do not hear from me for a while it is because my wife has broken all of my fingers after I have made a bid on Danica's car. drooling....

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Just was searching that question and found this:

"Although North Carolina does not have a fetal homicide law, it does have laws providing punishment for harming a fetus. Former pro football player Rae Carruth, convicted of plotting the murder of his pregnant girlfriend, was also found guilty of "using an instrument with intent to destroy an unborn child." His girlfriend eventually died from gunshot wounds, but her baby was delivered by Caesarean section 10 weeks early and survived."
http://www.courttv.com/news/2003/0326/fetalhomicide_ctv.html

... still looking for more

Here it is: http://www.nrlc.org/Unborn_Victims/Statehomicidelaws092302.html

North Carolina is not included.

Didnt Rae Carruth only get 20 years or something like that. I thought that was a crock.

That was one of the best trials I have ever seen though.

IMO

Ocean

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Night everyone ! My priorities require that I now log onto the RM Classic Cars auction, they will be auctioning several classics including Danica Patrick's car. If you do not hear from me for a while it is because my wife has broken all of my fingers after I have made a bid on Danica's car. drooling....

LOL Goodnight Charlie.....drag yourself back here tomorrow...broken fingers and all.

IMO

Ocean

 

[otto]

Didnt Rae Carruth only get 20 years or something like that. I thought that was a crock.

That was one of the best trials I have ever seen though.

IMO

Ocean

Here it really is ...

"North Carolina
N.C. Gen. Stat. § 14-18.2 relates to injury to pregnant woman. The law states that a person who in the commission of a felony causes injury to a woman, knowing the woman to be pregnant, which injury results in a miscarriage or stillbirth by the woman is guilty of a felony that is one class higher than the felony committed."
http://www.ncsl.org/programs/health/fethom.htm

This would mean that if Jason caused the car accident on purpose, he could be charged with the first fetal death as well.

I didn't follow the trial that closely. 20 years is not enough for having his wife killed.

 

[scandi]

Thqat was interesting Otto. Oregon isn't even listed -wonder what the deal is. It is Federally approved but each state has to write their own law about it if they choose to accept it?

Scandi

 

[strach304]

Hi Ocean,

I thought Laci's Law which is Federal, right, was made just for this reason. I thought Sharon went to Wash DC when that law was signed.

Scandi

I think several states already had this law or a version of it but I thought Laci's law being federal was explained at the time to mean if federal charges applied over state such as the crime occuring on federal property.

 

[strach304]

Yeppers, looks like the people know more than the media is willing to give out at this point. 18 days is plenty of time for those tests, right? They put a push on them when there is a double murder like this.

I had a thought Strach. The case could be becoming quite a complicated one for investigators. They mentioned it was very complicated. Doesn't seem that way to us, right?

But think of this. The auto accident in '05 - Cassidy not in car - Michelle pregnant with 2nd child, a boy. Murder in '06 - Cassidy safe in home and not injured - Michelle pregnant with now 2nd child, a boy?

If investigators now think the accident is suspicious when they line it up with the new tragedy of Michelle's death and circumstances of it, they are going to have to get those ducks in a row too to prove premeditation, right. To prove there was no way he was going to raise and be responsible for a son. Both boy babies dead.

They said at CTV he was happy he was going to have a boy, but he might have just been saying that and it is what he really didn't want, just like Scott Peterson. Wasn't it a son Scott had no interest in having?

PS: If that is the case it would be 3 counts of murder one, right?

Scandi

How many times have these fruitloops shot themselves after they shot their wives to keep suspicions off of them? Too many coincidences if you ask me. They'll never be able to prove the accident was deliberate to charge him unless he confesses to it which I doubt. The difference between Cassidy and the unborn possibly being that as a male they don't make a bond to their child until after it's born vs. the mother carrying the child and being able to feel life.

P.S. This idea occurred to me;what if he planned to drown Michele in that accident after she was knocked unconscious. If she was leaning back to get something and her seatbelt was off and his on he may have figured they'd survive but he planned to drown her and something went wrong with that plan. Maybe someone pulled over right away to help?

 

[jilly]

where did that info come from?- cant they get the phone records which would be just as good? - just throwing that out, cause I still dont quite understand all this cell phone tower, pinging stuff !!

That was me speculating incorrectly! :banghead: Now that you mention it, I do remember Peterson, his phone and the towers but I just didn't connect the GPS with it somehow.

 

[otto]

How many times have these fruitloops shot themselves after they shot their wives to keep suspicions off of them? Too many coincidences if you ask me. They'll never be able to prove the accident was deliberate to charge him unless he confesses to it which I doubt. The difference between Cassidy and the unborn possibly being that as a male they don't make a bond to their child until after it's born vs. the mother carrying the child and being able to feel life.

I don't recall the names, but someone mentioned the guy that shot his wife on a deserted restricted beach and then shot himself. Turned out he had a girlfriend, some debt and he and wife had been living apart due to work for some time.

I would like to know if the vehicle that went into the river had dual airbags or just driver's side airbags. If Michelle was just lucky and Jason was protected by an airbag, I think it really doesn't look very innocent in view of Michelle's recent murder.

 

[otto]

Thqat was interesting Otto. Oregon isn't even listed -wonder what the deal is. It is Federally approved but each state has to write their own law about it if they choose to accept it?

Scandi

I sure don't know anything about federal law, but on the surface it looks like the federal law is just a little encouragement for everyone to have state laws.

 

[jilly]

jilly,

they don't need to have the telephone in hand - all the information they need (calls made, received, tower check in reports) can be obtained under subpeona from the phone service provider. The phone itself is not necessary.

I posted this link earlier - it explains how the phone system works...

http://www.mindfully.org/Technology/2005/Cell-Site-Location-Smith14oct05.htm

When a cell phone is powered up, it acts as a scanning radio, searching through a list of control channels for the strongest signal. The cell phone re-scans every seven seconds or when the signal strength weakens, regardless of whether a call is placed. The cell phone searches for a five-digit number known as the System Identification Code assigned to service providers. After selecting a channel, the cell phone identifies itself by sending its programmed codes which identify the phone, the phone’s owner, and the service provider. These codes include an Electronic Serial Number (a unique 32-bit number programmed into the phone by the manufacturer), and a Mobile Identification Number, a 10-digit number derived from the phone’s number.

The cell site relays these codes to the mobile telecommunications switching office in a process known as registration. The registration process is explained in the Department of Justice’s Electronic Surveillance Manual:

Cellular telephones that are powered on will automatically register or re-register with a cellular tower as the phone travels within the provider’s service area. The registration process is the technical means by which the network identifies the subscriber, validates the account and determines where to route call traffic. This exchange occurs on a dedicated control channel that is clearly separate from that used for call content (i.e. audio)–which occurs on a separate dedicated channel.

​

Thank you RC for pointing this out (again). I guess we can only hope that he had the phone turned on.