Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother NC Part 3

[close_enough]

between me, you & the fence post, i think jtf is JY's sister......

(i think i read somewhere that he has a sister,,,i could be wrong..)

go back & read their very first post at ctv....

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

tossing Polk a piece of chess pie....lol, we didn't have pumpkin

LOLLLL (not sure what chess pie is, but I think I ate the Knight, lol!) Tku

ommercial break - am in middle of FBI files - on TV every night at 1:00 am. (And NO ... I don't intend doing another 24-hour marathan!). Patricia White, took a drink, woke up naked in his boss's bed... ooooh). Close, I'm on the same page as you; however there's been overkill, imo.

Do you think they're helping him? Maybe it doesn;t matter, I'm not sure.

I don't think so. They may be winning a few - but some who are on the fence may use sheer logic and fall off the fence into the Guilty-Pool.

Fran: I agree witcha, hon; this is not subtle support by a typical NG that we've seen for many years on these boards. This is virtually an all out petition, imo. Why? IS someone, somewhere unsure about any future jury pool? Something might just be too hot for this family/friends to handle. As close says, they *may* REALY believe he is innocent. Or ..... maybe they can join some dots? Maybe they cannot bear the dotting on the wall? Who knows?

Meantime, the Sheriff's clock is ticking.

Ooooh. FBI back on. See ya shortly ...

 

[raisincharlie]

between me, you & the fence post, i think jtf is JY's sister......

(i think i read somewhere that he has a sister,,,i could be wrong..)

go back & read their very first post at ctv....

hmmm...

strongly opinionated sister

definitely a strongly opinionated step father

strong independent wife

late bloomer husband, quiet - inferiority complex hmmm....JMO of course.

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

between me, you & the fence post, i think jtf is JY's sister......

(i think i read somewhere that he has a sister,,,i could be wrong..)

go back & read their very first post at ctv....

Could be, close!

"Tell me more, tell me more - did they put up a fight?

Summer DAYYYYYS ...."

 

[scandi]

I'm going back to JTF's original post where he talks about the accident. I could have sworn that it ws his post that first mentioned it being in 2005. Another thing about that accident that puzzles me. I believe Scout, a pretty astute poster IMHO, mentioned ifJY had on his seatbelt and his air bag was turned on and Michelle had neither of these safety measures foing for her, it could be possible he was trying to cause her our her baby harm at that time.

My question: I didn't know one could turn on or off the air bag. If JY had turned it off before he went down that embankment, and then turned it on after the accident so it would look normal, would forensic investigators be able to tell that that switch was really off during the accident? Probably a mute point as with the officer saying he wasn't suspicious they probably didn't look into the accident that far or do any tests.

I agree with Scout, in that it is very suspicious with both babies dying, especially in such a short time span. Both boys. And with no seatbelt Michelle could have died in the accident. She did die with the second child.

Well, enough speculation. We know LE has looked into that accident again, If JY is arrested for her murder I think the chances will be pretty good he wanted her permanently out of his life for some time.

I guess I'm a bit upset at thie JTF poster and his agenda of taking any heat off of Jason. I think it is a he instead of a she as CanadianGirl keeps suggesting, and also think we have a member of JY's family posting. Just saying "we" are returning baby gifts makes me think that, as that is something I don't think a family would ask a friend to help with. Too personal.

Scandi

 

[scandi]

OK, LOL, it could be his sister Just seems the writing style has no flair and personal without being very emotional. Like a guy would be doing the writing.
Whomever it is knew the dog when it was a pup and it was JY's dog. Six years. And someone who just moved to Raleigh within the last year. And I think the agenda is more clever that at first glance. Another poster there will mention something that could leave the field open to JY being involved in her death and then after JTF has rebutted that, this poster is suddenly right in step with JTF. A poster with only 44 posts!~

And Charlie, your thoughts on JY's personality might be right on.
Wonder why he went into sales? Wonder how he was doing in sales? In the back of my mind I still think he was 'finding' himself. Sometimes strong women like men who are not too dynamic.

SCandi

 

[concernedperson]

Scandi, "we" returning the gifts as well as the dog being bruised and sore sent off red flags for me. First of all, how many of you received baby gifts when you were 4 months pregnant? It is after the baby is born usually...so what gifts to return? It just sounds like a family member throwing out stuff to see what will stick as there is no verifying any of it. All in the privacy of the Young household.

 

[raisincharlie]

OK, LOL, it could be his sister Just seems the writing style has no flair and personal without being very emotional. Like a guy would be doing the writing.
Whomever it is knew the dog when it was a pup and it was JY's dog. Six years. And someone who just moved to Raleigh within the last year. And I think the agenda is more clever that at first glance. Another poster there will mention something that could leave the field open to JY being involved in her death and then after JTF has rebutted that, this poster is suddenly right in step with JTF. A poster with only 44 posts!~

And Charlie, your thoughts on JY's personality might be right on.
Wonder why he went into sales? Wonder how he was doing in sales? In the back of my mind I still think he was 'finding' himself. Sometimes strong women like men who are not too dynamic.

SCandi

Scandi,

Hope you had a good holiday !

Several posts back you and I spoke of some issues and your post has stuck in my brain ever since - the finding himself part in particular. If JY did indeed do this, to me this issue may be the whole force behind the act to begin with and the manner of death IMO. We will just have to wait and see.

As to the posters you reference - it seriously doesn't matter to me who they are. If family or friends, and defending JY by correcting mistruths as they claim - they are only going to see the pain of this situation deepen as they have chosen to open themselves in a very public way. They complain about the press, the invasiness, the untruths, show real anger over that but yet they appear on crime related forum - this is not a good idea IMO.

My wife is a strong personality type, so you do not think me dynamic - just teasing you !

 

[oceanblueeyes]

FWIW - I had a brief, well not so brief, exchange with jtf and quite honestly the conversation raised alot of red flags for me. Entirely too much protesting and too much "me", and entirely too defensive. Also comments about knowing the area where the accident occurred - either this is someone way inside or it is someone darned well determined to issue statements deflecting attention, or both. They claim their silence is due to grief and suffering yet they are on a very public forum subjected to slings of arrows and keep on posting as long as people ask what they have defined as reasonable to answer but unwilling to "entertain" any other possibility. JMO - I'm not buying it.

Omg Charlie, am I losing my touch? :crazy: I found Just the Facts to be very genuine. They seem very forthright in what they say they know and if they don't know something they readily state that without question. I guess I can see why they may become a little defensive when someone is trying to tell them they don't believe them on something but all in all I think they have remained quite cordial.

I don't fault anyone that knows the Youngs personally for remaining in Jason's corner. All they have to go on is the Jason they seemed to have known for years. JTF also speaks highly of Merideth too dont they? They seem to know both Michelle and Jason as well as their families.

I certainly found JTF to be more credible than some of the other "insiders" but as I said I could be just losing that old touch I had at one time about sizing someone up.

Still no news? This has got to be hard on everyone involved.

IMO

Ocean

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I'm going back to JTF's original post where he talks about the accident. I could have sworn that it ws his post that first mentioned it being in 2005. Another thing about that accident that puzzles me. I believe Scout, a pretty astute poster IMHO, mentioned ifJY had on his seatbelt and his air bag was turned on and Michelle had neither of these safety measures foing for her, it could be possible he was trying to cause her our her baby harm at that time.

My question: I didn't know one could turn on or off the air bag. If JY had turned it off before he went down that embankment, and then turned it on after the accident so it would look normal, would forensic investigators be able to tell that that switch was really off during the accident? Probably a mute point as with the officer saying he wasn't suspicious they probably didn't look into the accident that far or do any tests.

I agree with Scout, in that it is very suspicious with both babies dying, especially in such a short time span. Both boys. And with no seatbelt Michelle could have died in the accident. She did die with the second child.

Well, enough speculation. We know LE has looked into that accident again, If JY is arrested for her murder I think the chances will be pretty good he wanted her permanently out of his life for some time.

I guess I'm a bit upset at thie JTF poster and his agenda of taking any heat off of Jason. I think it is a he instead of a she as CanadianGirl keeps suggesting, and also think we have a member of JY's family posting. Just saying "we" are returning baby gifts makes me think that, as that is something I don't think a family would ask a friend to help with. Too personal.

Scandi

Hi Scandi,

First I will never believe that a car manufacturer these days, so honed into safety, would install a kill switch for an air bag. Any added switch heightens the risk that there could be a malfunction and they could be sued. It would be like playing with dynamite imo. Why would anyone want their airbags off? The manufacturers put things in according to what the consumer desires. I know of no one that wants to risk safety within the inside compartment of their vehicle. Many accidents can throw the driver to the passenger side and the air bag deploying on that side can save injuries or deaths.

JTF said that the baby's death did not happen because of the accident. I am sure that is very verifiable and all the particulars about the car accident.

I dont find JTF any different than any of us would be. I think JTF knows him very well and if I were in the same situation having to defend the person I know... I would be adamant about their innocence. JTF cannot visualize Jason ever doing something like this because what he/she knows does not show that he is capable.

Could he be wrong? Of course but I don't fault them for how he/she believes.

IMO

Ocean

 

[scandi]

I don't think you have lost any of your sensitivity in Sleuthing, Ocean. I'm a might more suspicious than you because of national statistics in this kind of a crime, how he has been so silent and not offering a reward or making a public plea for any info that could lead to finding the killer of his wife and baby.

And then to see a poster who from their first post show their transparancy in really stating they are family, change a topic into something else regarding a question about why doesn't he have a press conference and make a plea to the public. JTF makes this statement why he says it would do nothing for the case to be questioned at a news conference - that definitely shows me an agenda of making Jason look as good as he can. He/she turned the question around, as I don't think the question was about answering questions about anything at a press conference.

Others are thinking it too, as I went back and see a poster has asked specifically if JTF and this other poster have a good person/bad person thing going on.

Charlie, I think you're darned dynamic! LOL And as to your thoughts on the 'finding himself' and what it could meaning if it is true, I totally agree.

Sandi

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't think you have lost any of your sensitivity in Sleuthing, Ocean. I'm a might more suspicious than you because of national statistics in this kind of a crime, how he has been so silent and not offering a reward or making a public plea for any info that could lead to finding the killer of his wife and baby.

And then to see a poster who from their first post show their transparency in really stating they are family, change a topic into something else regarding a question about why doesn't he have a press conference and make a plea to the public. JTF makes this statement why he says it would do nothing for the case to be questioned at a news conference - that definitely shows me an agenda of making Jason look as good as he can. He/she turned the question around, as I don't think the question was about answering questions about anything at a press conference.

Others are thinking it too, as I went back and see a poster has asked specifically if JTF and this other poster have a good person/bad person thing going on.

Charlie, I think you're darned dynamic! LOL And as to your thoughts on the 'finding himself' and what it could meaning if it is true, I totally agree.

Sandi

Oh I totally agree with you Scandi. He is trying to make Jason look as good as he can be. What we don't know ...is JTF wrong or right? Is the Jason he knows the same as the one that may or may not be involved in his wife's murder. That remains to be seen.

Actually I think holding a PC would be as damning for Jason now as not holding one. No matter what Scandi you know yourself some potential suspects can be like open books from day one and get crushed into the ground even if they are open and forthright.

I am sure he is following his lawyers advice. LOL Look how many times SP appeared in the media and we hated his guts. Look what Daniel Horowitz had to go through even though innocence. Imo it is a no win situation either way when any spouse is on the potential suspect list and in the cross-hairs of LE.

IMO

Ocean

 

[raisincharlie]

Omg Charlie, am I losing my touch? :crazy: I found Just the Facts to be very genuine. They seem very forthright in what they say they know and if they don't know something they readily state that without question. I guess I can see why they may become a little defensive when someone is trying to tell them they don't believe them on something but all in all I think they have remained quite cordial.

I don't fault anyone that knows the Youngs personally for remaining in Jason's corner. All they have to go on is the Jason they seemed to have known for years. JTF also speaks highly of Merideth too dont they? They seem to know both Michelle and Jason as well as their families.

I certainly found JTF to be more credible than some of the other "insiders" but as I said I could be just losing that old touch I had at one time about sizing someone up.

Still no news? This has got to be hard on everyone involved.

IMO

Ocean

Ocean,

My post related only to my direct interaction with JTF, that is all I can go on. I do not know anything else. While it was obvious to me this person was in pain, I really have a problem with someone telling others to walk a mile in their shoes - I hate to tell them this - they aren't the only ones in this world to have suffered great loss. There is no doubt they are suffering but this does not mean the rest of the world should bow down to them nor accept their word as gospel. To imply such is merely begging for attention IMO.

This argument that they are trying to correct mistruths and the media frenzy garbage simply does not fly with me as there are too many inconsistencies within their own posts. i also have to wonder if they are so worried about the press trying to get information from them, why the heck are they on a public use forum spilling their story. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I do not know of any reason why my opinion, or anyone's opinion for that matter, should be of such great concern to this person especially when they claim such overwhelming grief at this time. Seems their energy would be much better spent on direct family members rather than on a message board. Maybe I'm just a hard a.. but that's how I see it.

I sensed the pain, anger, and frustration in this persons posts, but the posts left me asking why get into a conversation if you have no intention of listening to anything but yourself ? To me this is an agenda, and not one I am particularly interested in. JMO

 

[raisincharlie]

Ocean,

In most pickup trucks there was a switch to turn off the passenger side air bag. The reason for this related specifically to kids in car seats as the air bags were often the cause for severe injury to a child.

 

[scandi]

I agree with you on that Ocean. Remaining silent and leaving everything up to his lawyer and LE is what he should do.

And as far as someone very close to Jason writing on a crime forum I am wondering really why. It certainly won't make a dent in influencing a jury pool if he is arrested and brought to trial. I remember Charlie thought if that came to pass, there might have been info given that they wished wasn't out there.

I too am going :crazy: waiting for any new info, so it is easy to grab onto things we hear. We are insatiable , right? LOL I did learn from JTF though that they had never paid to have the alarm system that was already in the house activated.

Crazy, but yesterday I was thinking about Dan Horowitz, and was thankful he has come away from everything in the past to what he is today. It could have easily gone the other way for him, dropping out of law. Something good and genuine out of such tragedy.

Scandi

 

[Floh]

Hi Scandi,

First I will never believe that a car manufacturer these days, so honed into safety, would install a kill switch for an air bag. Any added switch heightens the risk that there could be a malfunction and they could be sued. It would be like playing with dynamite imo. Why would anyone want their airbags off? The manufacturers put things in according to what the consumer desires. I know of no one that wants to risk safety within the inside compartment of their vehicle. Many accidents can throw the driver to the passenger side and the air bag deploying on that side can save injuries or deaths.

JTF said that the baby's death did not happen because of the accident. I am sure that is very verifiable and all the particulars about the car accident.

I dont find JTF any different than any of us would be. I think JTF knows him very well and if I were in the same situation having to defend the person I know... I would be adamant about their innocence. JTF cannot visualize Jason ever doing something like this because what he/she knows does not show that he is capable.

Could he be wrong? Of course but I don't fault them for how he/she believes.

IMO

Ocean

New car between partner and i has an off switch for the passenger airbag. Volkswagon Eos, Germany, July, 2006.

the reason given is airbags kill children. now then, me, myself and i do NOT put children in a front passenger seat in the first place. but there you have it. the sign is right on there every time i get in the car: airbags kill children. the rule here (Germany) is: when you have a 4 seat car and you have 3 child passengers (under the age of 14), the tallest child gets the front seat. airbag gets switched off. again, there you have it. or, more preceisely, here you have it. i dunno about laws in the states or different states, cos i know laws differ.

Edited to add: i don't know if this is a European Union ruling or just specifically a German ruling, but the sign in our German car is in English and it ain't for ME specifically - being the second main driver (native English speaker) of the car.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree with you on that Ocean. Remaining silent and leaving everything up to his lawyer and LE is what he should do.

And as far as someone very close to Jason writing on a crime forum I am wondering really why. It certainly won't make a dent in influencing a jury pool if he is arrested and brought to trial. I remember Charlie thought if that came to pass, there might have been info given that they wished wasn't out there.

I too am going :crazy: waiting for any new info, so it is easy to grab onto things we hear. We are insatiable , right? LOL I did learn from JTF though that they had never paid to have the alarm system that was already in the house activated.

Crazy, but yesterday I was thinking about Dan Horowitz, and was thankful he has come away from everything in the past to what he is today. It could have easily gone the other way for him, dropping out of law. Something good and genuine out of such tragedy.

Scandi

You know I have asked myself that before Scandi. Why do they come? It can be very rough on message boards and hurtful things can be said both true and not true. I do know that other "insiders" have posted in other cases or read the boards daily. Maybe it is a way they think their side will only ever get told? Or it bothers them if the facts are skewed and they have a need to right it. I really dont know but I think most of them (not all) come in earnest as if compelled somehow.

IMO

Ocean

 

[BarnGoddess]

Ocean,

In most pickup trucks there was a switch to turn off the passenger side air bag. The reason for this related specifically to kids in car seats as the air bags were often the cause for severe injury to a child.

We have a big bad 1 ton diesel Ford and you're right, there is a kill switch for the passenger side. It's only a regular cab and not an extended or 4 door. It's basically for farm use, but the BarnGod has't turned it off, ever. I always check it when I get in. We don't have babies, but the dogs ride sometimes. I've not noticed one in any other type of vehicle. I work for a Ford Dealer, so I get to see a lot of cars and trucks. Those switches require you to use your key to turn them on and off. I can't imagine having a child in there with the switch turned off.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

New car between partner and i has an off switch for the passenger airbag. Volkswagon Eos, Germany, July, 2006.

the reason given is airbags kill children. now then, me, myself and i do NOT put children in a front passenger seat in the first place. but there you have it. the sign is right on there every time i get in the car: airbags kill children. the rule here (Germany) is: when you have a 4 seat car and you have 3 child passengers (under the age of 14), the tallest child gets the front seat. airbag gets switched off. again, there you have it. or, more precisely, here you have it. i dunno about laws in the states or different states, cos i know laws differ.

Edited to add: i don't know if this is a European Union ruling or just specifically a German ruling, but the sign in our German car is in English and it ain't for ME specifically - being the second main driver (native English speaker) of the car.

Thanks... wow I did not know that. I assumed it was not offered in America as all children must be in appropriate carseat according to weight and age and facing the seat and never toward the dash panel.

I do remember them running stats on it and found that in some cases the airbag did harm the child in the accident but I have never heard that it has been implemented into vehicles here but that certainly doesn't mean that it hasn't but it does still create risk imo if someone forgets to engage the airbag when there is an older child or an adult in the seat.

IMO

Ocean

 

[raisincharlie]

Point of clarification:

JY is represented by Roger Smith who is not associated with the Duke case. That would be Wade Smith.

Ocean,

I know I was harsh in my response and thoughts, you are right, they may feel compelled to come but in this case, given the information being presented don't you think the person would be wise to follow the legal advice given to the person that is being defended ? Obviuosly JY has been told to be quiet, seems to me close confidents would be well advised to follow that very same sage advice. I will re-iterate, if Jy is picked up for this and arrested, some of those coments may well come back to be harmful.

Their story will be told ultimately but given this being at a crucial stage - one would think they would be extremely careful and say absolutely nothing just as JY is doing.

Barn Godess,

All of our trucks (Fords) have a kill switch as well, activated by the key. The concept was based on the speed of the air bag deployment being such that more children were injured by the air bag rather than the crash - at least in trucks.