Michelle Young~Pregnant Mother NC Part 5

[close_enough]

It's called KISS,...................imho, this is probably about all she wrote.

Although, I'm not sure Cassidy may have woken up and I do believe he cleaned up BEFORE he left, meaning shower and all, so that he would not get any trace evidence in the car. I think the disposal of the clothes he was wearing is somewhere between the house and the motel he'd checked into earlier.

I don't care what the friends and family say about this being the 'perfect couple.' I was just reading another thread where the husband and wife were so wonderfully happy with their two yo, the husband had a great job, they had a new house, yadda, yadda, yadda,...............turns out the husband had a gf, the wife found out and they were working it out. Unfortunately for them, the gf's SO found out about the affair, went on over and murdered the husband and wife,........NOT the child..............so much for fairy tale marriages. It's what goes on behind closed doors that matters, IMHO.

I don't believe anyone else is involved in the crime except ONE person and he's probably not the 'nice guy' everyone thinks he is.
JMHO
fran

i agree Fran...i'll be very surprised if more than one person was involved in Michelle's death....

edited ....

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I don't believe anyone else is involved in the crime except ONE person and he's probably not the 'nice guy' everyone thinks he is.

JMHO
fran

Hello fran !

Yep: K.I.S.S. - keep it simple. Stick to the facts and run your head-engine on gut-fuel and your wheel-alignment on a trusted highway where many have gone before....

No ... he's NOT the 'Mr. Nice Guy' some would have him be! definitely not, IMO.

 

[nanandjim]

i agree Fran...i'll be very surprised if more than one person was involved in Michelle's death...

I agree; and I also think that it was JY.

 

[packerdog]

Hello fran !

Yep: K.I.S.S. - keep it simple. Stick to the facts and run your head-engine on gut-fuel and your wheel-alignment on a trusted highway where many have gone before....

No ... he's NOT the 'Mr. Nice Guy' some would have him be! definitely not, IMO.

Didn't someone say he was quiet (doesn't say much) type? That I heard is the ones you have to look out for.

It's not that they planned on starting a family when they did or they would have waited until after they were married. I am sure they married when they did because of MY being pregnant. Maybe he didn't want to be married and have a family. If he killed MY and baby he sure didn't want another child or a wife.

 

[strach304]

LE stated they have traveled to several states so I feel confident that they went to the motel Jason stayed at for forensic evidence. Suppose he took a shower there or transferred Michele's blood onto something he took back to the motel with him? Same scenario with his parents house. They did look for Scott's clothes and still took them even though they were laundered.

Another thing the ME should be able to tell is the angle she was hit at.

 

[Bee Charmer]

I do not know the answer to the second part of your post but did want to say I agree with the first part. As I understood the reporting on the tooth - it was found approximately 2 weeks ago - shortly after the house was released. If there is any way to determine who it belongs to - it has been done. The CCBI guy was pretty certain it was Michelle's. I suggest they know it was Michelle's.

I think it is very possible that the machine used for "seeing" trace evidence was used prior to the removal of bedding and other items in the bedroom. It is possible this portion of a tooth was caught in a fold of cloth such as a sheet or blanket and those items might have been among the last items to be removed. When removed it fell out and would not have been noticed. For some reason I do not see this as a usable red herring - I think internally to LE, it has been resolved. JMO

RC, I cannot believe that LE left bed linens behind. Wouldn't every sheet, cover, comforter, pillow case be taken to the lab for analysis and searches for fibers and hairs? Perhaps they even took the mattress?
I would love to know exactly where this woman found that tooth.

 

[close_enough]

RC, I cannot believe that LE left bed linens behind. Wouldn't every sheet, cover, comforter, pillow case be taken to the lab for analysis and searches for fibers and hairs? Perhaps they even took the mattress?
I would love to know exactly where this woman found that tooth.

uh huh...i would also...


edited to add...reports just say ...near/under the bed....

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Didn't someone say he was quiet (doesn't say much) type? That I heard is the ones you have to look out for.
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Lol, in that case few are watchin me, lol! I'm a yabberwocky.... okay, okay ... I know: I said it, not you, lol.

Y'know, my first marriage: no booze, drugs financial hassles, never beat me: I married a guy that my soul ran away with: that I thought I knew - and we were referred to as 'a great couple'.

BUT .... he lied to me. He lied .... and that broke me just as an earthquake breaks ground and destroys all belief. He is a high-achiever, top-corporate-climber (dang, shudda stayed, lol... j/k) everyone's 'mate' ... but he lied about the most stupid stuff and I only realized this 13 years later after being together 14. Never in a gazillion years would I have guessed and 2 or 3 of his friends didn't accept it; didn't believe it ... it was "me" ... not "him". Fine, but I was NOT married to "them".

ALL of us are quite capable of a double life. You, me, our kids and our parents, believe it or not. The big question is: DO we? And, if a fraction DO ... then on the tails of that question we have to ask: WHY. And even if the answer to 'why' may not be valid to some of us, fact remains the WHY is the caveat that leads to mtoive in these murders ...

These men often believe they 'have every right' ...

UGH!

 

[Floh]

100% behind you, packerdog - that is so logical and is the instinctive protection 'zone' of the female species.

Oh, i can give an example of that from this afternoon. partner and i were driving along and took a left. on the corner was a, maybe 3-4 year-old, standing besides a baby buggy with a wheel broken off and he was alone! i exclaimed my worry to partner and he said, as he continued driving, he was sure the child wasn't alone. "Stop the car immediately", i commanded. he did as he was told and i opened the door halfway out to look back ready to move fast and saw a smiling young woman approach with the boy relaxed and laughing.

"OK. as you were", i told partner and we continued on our way. "Told you", he couldn't resist saying. i don't care. protective instinct kicked in on automatic pilot and i was off on a cruisade. and i don't feel one bit stupid.

i come to this site too much, i know. :crazy:

anyway, Michelle would have done her level best to keep her attacker, known to her or not, away from her baby. i'm convinced.

 

[raisincharlie]

I'm going to step out on a limb for a little bit. Once again going back to the 911 call:


I don't think the attack on Michelle occured anywhere in that house other than in her bed and it started while she was asleep and totally unaware of anything.

In the 911 tape - it seems reasonable to assume that during this time Meredith is in two differing places while talking to the dispatcher. One just outside the bedroom, the other being at Michelle's side in the bedroom.

When Meredith talks about blood everywhere, she also asks should she move Michelle. She is asked if Michelle is conscious and if she is breathing- to know the answers she has to be near the body. This is where Meredith says there is blood everywhere. In the bedroom IMO.

After this point I think Meredith goes back to the doorway because at this point she is asking Cassidy to come to her - I don't think she would have called the child to her near the body - JMO. This is also the point at which she makes the second reference to the bloody footprints all over the house and she does identify them as Cassidy's. Then she tells the dispatcher she is right outside the bedroom. She then tries to confine Cassidy and she goes back to the body to try and move it. It is at this point that Meredith comments that the place does not look like it normally does. I beleive this comment is definitely directed to the room she is in at the time. JMO.

I say that because when asked if she knows what happened she says she doesn't know. There is no reference to the down stairs portion of the house - no mention of over turned furniture or a disturbance down stairs - nothing about the down stairs. The only thing she says about the rest of the house is about Cassidy's footprints all over the house. Thats it.

This leads me to think this event occured in the bedroom alone. If Michelle let someone in, they did not struggle down stairs, she was not dragged up the stairs to the bedroom IMO. A struggle such as this would have alerted the dog quickly and possibly have woken Cassidy. Since both the dog and the child are still alive - I just don't think it happened. IMO the dog knew who the attacker was and thought nothing of it - especially if the dog slept in Cassidy's room. JMO

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Oh, i can give an example of that from this afternoon. partner and i were driving along and took a left. on the corner was a, maybe 3-4 year-old, standing besides a baby buggy with a wheel broken off and he was alone! i exclaimed my worry to partner and he said, as he continued driving, he was sure the child wasn't alone. "Stop the car immediately", i commanded. he did as he was told and i opened the door halfway out to look back ready to move fast and saw a smiling young woman approach with the boy relaxed and laughing.

"OK. as you were", i told partner and we continued on our way. "Told you", he couldn't resist saying. i don't care. protective instinct kicked in on automatic pilot and i was off on a cruisade. and i don't feel one bit stupid.

i come to this site too much, i know. :crazy:

anyway, Michelle would have done here level best to keep her attacker, known to her or not, away from her baby. i'm convinced.

:blowkiss:

BLESS YOU, floh, for stopping to think - then stopping to find out! More folk could take a page from your book! :clap: :clap:

Yes, the 'instinct' pulls through. I'm only an auntie - but my maternal instincts grew whenever my 'babies' were with me years ago; they were always 'mine', never belonged to my sisters, lol...)

 

[raisincharlie]

RC, I cannot believe that LE left bed linens behind. Wouldn't every sheet, cover, comforter, pillow case be taken to the lab for analysis and searches for fibers and hairs? Perhaps they even took the mattress?
I would love to know exactly where this woman found that tooth.

You bet they took all of that. That is my point - seems to me that CCBI would have started at the lowest elevations of the scene and worked up so as not to drop anything from the top down to a lower spot as location would be important. I would think, the last places checked would be those above floor level. So IMO it is possible the tooth fragment was lodged somewhere in the bed clothing and when this was removed, which would be the last evidence removed - the tooth fragment fell to the floor, perhaps bounced under the bed or night table. There would be no reason for LE to then go back and look under the bed or table as they had already checked the flooring.

Does that make any sense ?

 

[close_enough]

RC, I cannot believe that LE left bed linens behind. Wouldn't every sheet, cover, comforter, pillow case be taken to the lab for analysis and searches for fibers and hairs? Perhaps they even took the mattress?
I would love to know exactly where this woman found that tooth.

meant to add to this post...i would think ALL bedding was removed, & i THINK RC thinks this also, but i'm guessing his point was, that the bedding & all was the last things to be removed from the house....????

if the entire mattress wasn't taken, then i'm sure pieces were cut out of it....i have to think the entire mattress was removed by investigators though....which means that maybe the bed frame was left....& MAYBE this tooth was 'found' around that??

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I'm going to step out on a limb for a little bit. Once again going back to the 911 call:


I don't think the attack on Michelle occured anywhere in that house other than in her bed and it started while she was asleep and totally unaware of anything.

This leads me to think this event occured in the bedroom alone. If Michelle let someone in, they did not struggle down stairs, she was not dragged up the stairs to the bedroom IMO. A struggle such as this would have alerted the dog quickly and possibly have woken Cassidy. Since both the dog and the child are still alive - I just don't think it happened. IMO the dog knew who the attacker was and thought nothing of it - especially if the dog slept in Cassidy's room. JMO

Hey charlie ... precisely and I posted exact same comments earlier today and - again a few days ago.

GLAD you agree with me! How y'doing, charlie ...

 

[close_enough]

You bet they took all of that. That is my point - seems to me that CCBI would have started at the lowest elevations of the scene and worked up so as not to drop anything from the top down to a lower spot as location would be important. I would think, the last places checked would be those above floor level. So IMO it is possible the tooth fragment was lodged somewhere in the bed clothing and when this was removed, which would be the last evidence removed - the tooth fragment fell to the floor, perhaps bounced under the bed or night table. There would be no reason for LE to then go back and look under the bed or table as they had already checked the flooring.

Does that make any sense ?

it makes sense to me.....

i gotta run...75 cent bowling today....later all

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

it makes sense to me.....

i gotta run...75 cent bowling today....later all

Good luck! Chat later ...

 

[raisincharlie]

Hey charlie ... precisely and I posted exact same comments earlier today and - again a few days ago.

GLAD you agree with me! How y'doing, charlie ...

I do agree with you on this point for sure Polk ! Glad you are back and are okay - we were wondering about you.

Me- I'm okay, getting tired of shoveling sh.. though. With all the ice here I can't let these horses out and risk them getting hurt so they get turned out in the arenas one or two at a time for exercise. Being in the stalls for most of the day however means a lot of shoveling plus they are getting pretty snorty about it, but I can snort back - so all is good!

 

[Bee Charmer]

You bet they took all of that. That is my point - seems to me that CCBI would have started at the lowest elevations of the scene and worked up so as not to drop anything from the top down to a lower spot as location would be important. I would think, the last places checked would be those above floor level. So IMO it is possible the tooth fragment was lodged somewhere in the bed clothing and when this was removed, which would be the last evidence removed - the tooth fragment fell to the floor, perhaps bounced under the bed or night table. There would be no reason for LE to then go back and look under the bed or table as they had already checked the flooring.

Does that make any sense ?

Yep, perfect sense. I tell ya, I bet LE is very perturbed and maybe a bit suspicious about this "find" by JY's family. Very glad that
they downplayed it, when speaking to the media.

I was surprised to learn this "discovery" was made two weeks ago.

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I do agree with you on this point for sure Polk ! Glad you are back and are okay - we were wondering about you.

Me- I'm okay, getting tired of shoveling sh.. though. With all the ice here I can't let these horses out and risk them getting hurt so they get turned out in the arenas one or two at a time for exercise. Being in the stalls for most of the day however means a lot of shoveling plus they are getting pretty snorty about it, but I can snort back - so all is good!

Lol ... those wonderful creatures sound like us crammed in this forum, lol ... shovellin a lotta "...." until conditions improve that we can handle.

O/T ... So, is raisoncharlie really raising a dream foal? Kisses to you! Was so obsessed with these creatures that by age 8 my dad wanted to take me to a doctor! Lived, dreamed and literally DID horses; he never let me get near them, said I'd be killed riding ... so I didn't get closer than looking and watching! Life went on ... but to this day, I feel the same energy watching the immense magic of their supreme grace, muscle, intelligence and performance!

Oh lawd ... back to Michelle Young ... she's grabbing tissues ... she's slapping herself into reality .. she's ---->

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Yep, perfect sense. I tell ya, I bet LE is very perturbed and maybe a bit suspicious about this "find" by JY's family. Very glad that
they downplayed it, when speaking to the media.

I was surprised to learn this "discovery" was made two weeks ago.

Goodness... Hi Bee... I've been away 2 days and thought this was discovered very recently! Y'know, something inside of me is giving the skeptical 'yeah, right' as JY's family and friends try SOOOO hard to catch LE out.

I don;t think they're even making a dent...

IMO, that is.