Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother Part 6

[raisincharlie]

Hey Charlie, Reading at CTV I ran across ths statement that I have never read.
"Yes Toby the interview with the Sheriff said the preliminary autopsy showed estimated TOD to be between 12-6am . ." I don't know how I missed the Sheriff discussing the TOD!

Scandi

I don't recall hearing the Sheriff indicating specifically that the TOD was between those hours either. I'll check the media thread but I don't think it refers to TOD. Since those are the hours for which LE were seeking help about vehicles in the neighborhood, it seems reasonable to assume TOD was estimated to be within that range. Will look.

I keep thinking about Dyleski - LE was seeking information between noon and 3 pm - the deed happend at 10:12 am...remember ?

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

No that isn't what I meant! :doh: Rather that Mr. Money may be fearful that he'll be the next victim...assuming of course that JY and MM were co-conspirators to get rid of MY.

(Note to self: do not attempt to post and prepare dinner simultaneously )

Lol, panthera ... that's what I thought!

(I'd be concerned .... and I would NOT stay in the marriage...). This is major serious .... it's not a mild matter like a one-night stand after a row or series of minor marriage probs. This is HUGE and for NO-ONE to know - you have to ask if MM was lying about the apparent 'probs' in her marriage. To put together a well carved wooden story that floats .... er, ... shal we say takes alot of screws...???

 

[scandi]

I'm thinking that says first that he left before the friend came over, as Michelle 'stayed behind'.

It also says to me his meeting was in the 'early' morning, so if he wanted a decent nights sleep to feel fresh in the morning, say going to bed at 11pm, he would have left with enough time to drive there, cheked in, got settled and hit the sack.

This tells me 8 - 8:30. The friend would have arrived at least 1/2 hour before the show started at 9pm. Scandi

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

New thread.

lol pop up said my message was too short so bla blah blah

Thanks Sam! The other was getting a wee bit loooooooo--------->ong.

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I'm curious as to how you fellow sleuthers interpret this, does it indicate anything to you with respect to the time JY left his home?


http://www.newsobserver.com/141/story/511581.html

"Jason Young has said he slipped out that evening to get a head start for an early morning sales meeting in Virginia, according to Fussell, who said he talked to Jason Young at his wife's funeral.
Michelle Young stayed behind with Cassidy; a girlfriend came over to watch TV with her, the friend told Fussell. Cassidy popped in a DVD of "Cinderella" -- a Halloween gift -- and watched until she fell fast asleep."

OK ... thanks charlie ... love your cryptic posts!!!

1. Cassie popped in a DVD. If there were 2 televisions - then we might assume she popped in the DVD around the time the friends sat to watch GA.

2. If Cassie popped in the DVD before GA ... then we have to allow about --- say 30 - 40 mins for Cassie to nod off.... and during that time, light chatter may have taken place with friends.

If the latter is the case, I'd ASSUME ... that JY would have said bye to Cassie, etc. We'd also ASSUME the friends were there to know Cassie put the DVD on to have qualified this (unless that's what JY told Rhett).

Sooo ... I'd say friends gathhered by around 8 - 8:30 pm for a mini social-settle-in period. In my opinion ... JY may have hung around to ensure he was seen leaving as opposed to 'reportedly' leaving.... and would have left before GA so as not to distract the object of the evening. It's possible he waited until Cassie had fallen asleep and was carried off to bed - then made his goodbyes.

So - my guess is he left around 9 or shortly after....

Right ... Team B ??? Your turn, lol

 

[raisincharlie]

Hey Charlie, Reading at CTV I ran across ths statement that I have never read.
"Yes Toby the interview with the Sheriff said the preliminary autopsy showed estimated TOD to be between 12-6am . ." I don't know how I missed the Sheriff discussing the TOD!

Scandi

Scandi,

I can guess who said it, doesn't matter but... I 've checked the videos again and I can tell you at no time does Sheriff Harrison state TOD to be between 12 - 6 am in the videos. In the print media it is written this way:

"A preliminary autopsy report indicates that Young, who was about 20 weeks pregnant, died from blunt force trauma, but Harrison would not say where she was hit or how many times she was hit. He said he did not immediately know how long she had been dead before her body was found."

http://www.wral.com/news/10246259/detail.html

Me thinks everyone is assuming TOD equals the 12-6 am time period because that is the time period that the Sheriff has requested information on with respect to vehicles and what not in the area. My guess - this statement is an assumtion based on the above. Like I previously mentioned - because LE lists a time - doesn't mean that is when it happened.

 

[raisincharlie]

I'm thinking that says first that he left before the friend came over, as Michelle 'stayed behind'.

It also says to me his meeting was in the 'early' morning, so if he wanted a decent nights sleep to feel fresh in the morning, say going to bed at 11pm, he would have left with enough time to drive there, cheked in, got settled and hit the sack.

This tells me 8 - 8:30. The friend would have arrived at least 1/2 hour before the show started at 9pm. Scandi

Me too - JY left before the friend got there - the friend did not see him leave and cannot say what he wore or give any indication about his demeanor that evening. Honestly though, my wife and I discussed this, when the boys were that age 2-1/2, they were usually well asleep before 8 pm. Something just keeps telling me JY left at 6 to 7 pm. Or, as might be the case, the article is poorly constructed and my imagination has the best of me again.

 

[raisincharlie]

OK ... thanks charlie ... love your cryptic posts!!!

1. Cassie popped in a DVD. If there were 2 televisions - then we might assume she popped in the DVD around the time the friends sat to watch GA.

2. If Cassie popped in the DVD before GA ... then we have to allow about --- say 30 - 40 mins for Cassie to nod off.... and during that time, light chatter may have taken place with friends.

If the latter is the case, I'd ASSUME ... that JY would have said bye to Cassie, etc. We'd also ASSUME the friends were there to know Cassie put the DVD on to have qualified this (unless that's what JY told Rhett).

Sooo ... I'd say friends gathhered by around 8 - 8:30 pm for a mini social-settle-in period. In my opinion ... JY may have hung around to ensure he was seen leaving as opposed to 'reportedly' leaving.... and would have left before GA so as not to distract the object of the evening. It's possible he waited until Cassie had fallen asleep and was carried off to bed - then made his goodbyes.

So - my guess is he left around 9 or shortly after....

Right ... Team B ??? Your turn, lol

Morning PSA !

Didn't mean to be cryptic - just didn't want to pollute anyone's thought process. I just don't know, I just have this feeling he left much earlier. I can't tell you why I think that because I don't really know, something is gnawing at me and I just can't put a finger on it. Puzzling... I just have this feeling he really didn't want to be seen period.

 

[scandi]

I just read a posters thought about the word 'slipped' at CTV, and I had wondered about that too Charlie. Slipped infers something sneaky and quick-like in my mind too, and am wondering if that word being used was a proverbial slip of the tongue on the part of Mr, Fussell. {of course pun intended ;} Isn't Mr Fussell the friend who mentioned all the suitcases Jason took with him when he left that evening? I could see him leaving around 7. However whenever our family had company we got to stay up a bit later. ;}

Scandi

 

[raisincharlie]

I just read a posters thought about the word 'slipped' at CTV, and I had wondered about that too Charlie. Slipped infers something sneaky and quick-like in my mind too, and am wondering if that word being used was a proverbial slip of the tongue on the part of Mr, Fussell. {of course pun intended ;} Isn't Mr Fussell the friend who mentioned all the suitcases Jason took with him when he left that evening? I could see him leaving around 7. However whenever our family had company we got to stay up a bit later. ;}

Scandi

Slipped away is an interesting way of putting it no doubt. Tends to indicate no attention was wanted, as in quietly disappear. As for the suitcases, I don't know how Fussell would know - he wasn't there and for some reason I don't think JY would tell him at a funeral that he took several suitcases with him when he slipped away. I find it incredibly odd that JY would even tell him he was in VA at the funeral - unless of course it was a CYA thing. Just doesn't seem like a funeral type of conversation to me. I think the number of suitcases is again a figment of someone's imagination because I sure don't recall it in any of the articles. JMO

ETA - the funeral videos make it look like it is all JY can do to just walk, let alone talk, head all hung down and needing his Mom to hold him up...fake fake fake IMO.

 

[Mygirlsadie]

Here is another Rocky Mt. NC tragedy that happened over the weekend as well. http://www.wral.com/news/10502066/detail.html

(Mistress murders wife) Not to throw the topic off of Michelle Young just thought it was a little ironic what all has been going on in that neck of the woods lately.

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Hey Charlie, Reading at CTV I ran across ths statement that I have never read.
"Yes Toby the interview with the Sheriff said the preliminary autopsy showed estimated TOD to be between 12-6am . ." I don't know how I missed the Sheriff discussing the TOD!

Scandi

Thanks, scandi ... I remain on my month-long mission that MY may have been murdered closer to 04:00 ish - but then there are really 6 hours to tween the sheriff's time-scale to consider this. ( lol, close is going to through a cream-pie on my head for repeatedly saying this, lolllll. But I do feel that MY was killed around then. )

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Morning PSA !

Didn't mean to be cryptic - just didn't want to pollute anyone's thought process. I just don't know, I just have this feeling he left much earlier. I can't tell you why I think that because I don't really know, something is gnawing at me and I just can't put a finger on it. Puzzling... I just have this feeling he really didn't want to be seen period.

G'evening to you, lol .... Nooooo, silly, I don't mean YOU are being cryptic :slap: ... I mean I so love the angles and new dimensions you bring in.... great food for thought. Said it before and will say it again: Mr & Mrs W/S for 2006? IMO raisincharlie & scandi :clap: ... and I BET many others concur!

One of the main things that may have blurred our vision stems from the early CAMPAIGN the Jasonites embarked upon. Many of these posts have been taken as fact - like the 11 pm call ... and witnesses seeing him depart.

So - we're left to consider all options, LOL - which is why we're all here!


Polk

 

[otto]

You already know quite a bit about her! Yes to all you've posted and she currently lives in Florida, and Michelle Young and she were 'sorority sisters'.

Panthera and Scandi, thanks. I wonder if MM wasn't a bit jealous of Michelle's success and wasn't maybe one of those women that pride themselves in being able to take a husband away from a woman that she thinks 'has it all'. If seducing Michelle's husband was just a bit of a feather in her cap, then for me it makes sense that she was completely oblivious to her role in the sequence of events. What really strikes me as completely off is that she's making the scrap book for Cassidy. It's like she is playing a little game and doesn't understand how her interference in the marriage may have played a part in this murder. At least with Amber Frey, we could believe that she didn't 'really' know that Scott was married so she couldn't really have been a malicious home wrecker. MM is a completely different situation. Did she really think it was all fun and games, only to make a little scrapbook for Cassidy when her mom is brutally murdered? It just seems like MM is not firmly planted in reality.

 

[otto]

lmao it was a long sentence....Otto you still breathing honey? :grin:

LOL Samiya and Strach, yes, still breathing. I've had that terrible flu for the last 5 days and without a doubt, my brains are scrambled. You should see the notes I sent to work about being away ... confusions throughout!

 

[otto]

Thanks, scandi ... I remain on my month-long mission that MY may have been murdered closer to 04:00 ish - but then there are really 6 hours to tween the sheriff's time-scale to consider this. ( lol, close is going to through a cream-pie on my head for repeatedly saying this, lolllll. But I do feel that MY was killed around then. )

How do you figure 4? I'm curious. I was thinking more along the lines of 11:30-1:30ish. That would give Jason time to leave the house with witnesses confirming his departure and drive to a hotel, or maybe just park somewhere close for a couple of hours. He could come back to the house, commit the murder, clean up and then be on his way again. That would give him maximum time to distance himself from the scene and maybe establish some witnesses far away from the crime.

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

How do you figure 4? I'm curious. I was thinking more along the lines of 11:30-1:30ish. That would give Jason time to leave the house with witnesses confirming his departure and drive to a hotel, or maybe just park somewhere close for a couple of hours. He could come back to the house, commit the murder, clean up and then be on his way again. That would give him maximum time to distance himself from the scene and maybe establish some witnesses far away from the crime.

Good question and thanks otto. I tried to put myself in perp's shoes...

Here's "my INVENTED" scene & theme (jmho):

departs *whatever* time Thursday evening (I feel someone had to witness this).
Either books into hotel up to and hour away OR lurks in area, parks/hides - if in hotel ... makes call home - circa 11:00 pm.
If he wasn't in hotel, still drives to area for cell phone records to "ping" call.
If in Hotel checks out EARLY (to cover for early drive to VA/Brevard
Instead: drives short distance back to Birchleaf Drive
Arrives early hours morning 3rd Nov
MY's fast asleep
Secures family pet (wouldn;t have 'performed' for a stranger)
Attacks - commits crime - circa 2 - 3 am
Washes, cleans, tidies-up
Hangs around until after 5 am
Plans Fax/Printout, (then.... or later ---->) uses MM's for purse gift searches, arranges for fax or printout to be delivered to home in morning
Lures Meredith to collect based on premise this is a "gift" for MY
Knows MF will find dog and baby and keep em safe.

HE'S THE KINDA PERP TO HAVE A STRING OF SEXUAL FLINGS

he may have left the house after few good hours sleep at previous hotel ... and drove straight to his Va ot Brev destination.

Wild ... very wild ... I know, lol

 

[otto]

Good question and thanks otto. I tried to put myself in perp's shoes...

Here's "my INVENTED" scene & theme (jmho):

departs *whatever* time Thursday evening (I feel someone had to witness this).
Either books into hotel up to and hour away OR lurks in area, parks/hides - if in hotel ... makes call home - circa 11:00 pm.
If he wasn't in hotel, still drives to area for cell phone records to "ping" call.
If in Hotel checks out EARLY (to cover for early drive to VA/Brevard
Instead: drives short distance back to Birchleaf Drive
Arrives early hours morning 3rd Nov
MY's fast asleep
Secures family pet (wouldn;t have 'performed' for a stranger)
Attacks - commits crime - circa 2 - 3 am
Washes, cleans, tidies-up
Hangs around until after 5 am
Plans Fax/Printout, (then.... or later ---->) uses MM's for purse gift searches, arranges for fax or printout to be delivered to home in morning
Lures Meredith to collect based on premise this is a "gift" for MY
Knows MF will find dog and baby and keep em safe.

HE'S THE KINDA PERP TO HAVE A STRING OF SEXUAL FLINGS

he may have left the house after few good hours sleep at previous hotel ... and drove straight to his Va ot Brev destination.

Wild ... very wild ... I know, lol

I see. Thanks. You're thinking that he checked into the hotel, rested for a bit and then went back to commit the crime before going on to the meeting. I'm thinking he committed the crime and then rested a bit before the meeting.

I think that Scott Peterson ran into trouble with his alibi because it took longer to commit the murder and clean up than he thought. If he could have had it all cleaned up and disposed of Laci in the middle of the night, he would have done that and been out golfing the day she was reported missing. I think the murder took too long and he messed up by having to take her to the marina in the day, meaning he couldn't use the golf alibi. I guess my point is that with the murder of a pregnant wife, there seems to be a few hours needed after the actual murder for the husband to get his bearings and make sure he covered all the bases.

If Jason drove to the hotel, phoned home around 11 and then returned to the home, that would probably place him there around 1:30. That would give him a couple of hours to do what he did and then return to the hotel probably around 4 or 5.

I think we're thinking along the same lines ... we just need to know what hotel he was in so we can look at the time lines. That would clear up all sorts of questions.

 

[close_enough]

I'm curious as to how you fellow sleuthers interpret this, does it indicate anything to you with respect to the time JY left his home?


http://www.newsobserver.com/141/story/511581.html

"Jason Young has said he slipped out that evening to get a head start for an early morning sales meeting in Virginia, according to Fussell, who said he talked to Jason Young at his wife's funeral.
Michelle Young stayed behind with Cassidy; a girlfriend came over to watch TV with her, the friend told Fussell. Cassidy popped in a DVD of "Cinderella" -- a Halloween gift -- and watched until she fell fast asleep."

i still think he left while the friend was there...8 or 9'ish.....

eta....the "slipped" tells me that he "slipped" out while the friend was there watching TV with Michelle...he "slipped" out after Cassie fell asleep...

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

I see. Thanks. You're thinking that he checked into the hotel, rested for a bit and then went back to commit the crime before going on to the meeting. I'm thinking he committed the crime and then rested a bit before the meeting.

I think that Scott Peterson ran into trouble with his alibi because it took longer to commit the murder and clean up than he thought. If he could have had it all cleaned up and disposed of Laci in the middle of the night, he would have done that and been out golfing the day she was reported missing. I think the murder took too long and he messed up by having to take her to the marina in the day, meaning he couldn't use the golf alibi. I guess my point is that with the murder of a pregnant wife, there seems to be a few hours needed after the actual murder for the husband to get his bearings and make sure he covered all the bases.

If Jason drove to the hotel, phoned home around 11 and then returned to the home, that would probably place him there around 1:30. That would give him a couple of hours to do what he did and then return to the hotel probably around 4 or 5.

I think we're thinking along the same lines ... we just need to know what hotel he was in so we can look at the time lines. That would clear up all sorts of questions.

Hi otto ... and first/foremost: hope you're feeling betta! Rest, swallow - do the necessary as yr health is number ONE...

OK ... we are on same line as MODUS OPERANDI. The true time lines will give credence as to the before/after 1:00 am 'kill-theory'.

We KNOW LE (were) are asking for tips re strange sightings tween midnight and 6.

I feel there is MORE that they have on their cards than simply an estimated TOD. IF, if, if -------> JY did this and parked away aways ... he MAY have brought his car to front of house afterwards (who knows, he may even have kept dog in his vehicle during crime...) to wash, clean, change clothes and STAGE what needed to be staged.

MF stated the house does not "look like it normally does" ... AND: MY was found in main bedroom, face down - on the floor. Seems MY put up a fight as I feel she was attacked as she slept . BUT ... outside of INSIDERS POSTS seems MY was on floor, face down. From that alone, I believe she was attacked as she slept, and struggled for a few minutes before being over powered - she fell into an awkward twisted position. IMO MY was not dead yet ... her blood pumped out on a living heart-beat that enabled Cassie to "step all over her" as the morning hours ticked away.


Here's the caveat - just like Porco's crime, perp may have LEFT HER FOR DEAD ... and it may have taken hour or so to die; so she was (SPECULATION) unconscious meaning she still pumped blood onto the floor - and this is what cassie stepped in and carried around the house.

As there was blood on the bed - this is the first point of brutal contact. MY tied to save herself and died doing so...

Lividity, body-blood-pooling would give closer TOD or estimated...

JY may have 'snoozed" on sofa b4 heding back to "wherever".

He's been silent since 03 Nov. It's now 12 Dec. This buddy, a.k.a. Boodie Boy AINT... gonna talk (ash-hole), IMO...