Michelle Young ~ Pregnant Mother Part 6

[fran]

Fran,

Since you went snooping - I did too. JTF no longer exists at CTV. A search of the membership index shows no JTF and no posts by JTF although some of the posts remain in the threads. Any thoughts on this ? Does the member remove themselves or must the moderator do this ?

I've never belonged over at ctv. I would think they were removed by the administrator.

That's not the person I've been watching though.

I've seen reference to this JTF but I don't know if I ever read any of their posts.

fran

PS..I did see a post by coldwater (moderator) and they said there was a thread removed because it was based on nothing but 'rumor' and it opened the poster up to liability......fran

 

[raisincharlie]

I've never belonged over at ctv. I would think they were removed by the administrator.

That's not the person I've been watching though.

I've seen reference to this JTF but I don't know if I ever read any of their posts.

fran

JTF was a super JY supporter any which way you can, very early on. That's why I thought it was odd they were gone. Seems like since the gf annoucement - supporters are disappearing and new ones are multiplying like rabbits. Something is happening I think. It might get very interesting. I know you are following RPD.

 

[fran]

So I've never heard the expression boodie boy and it isn't in the dictionary. Does it imply ladies man?

I keep wondering why they wanted to see what all the photos were from both computers in Fl and also from the home. I would think they would be expecting something in particular to be included as subject matter, but for the life of me don't see what concern it would have to prove who did the murder or how it transpired or what happened in the aftermath. :waitasec:

Hi scandi!
:doh: My bad! I misspelled the word!

It's 'booty' as in the movie 'Booty Call'

It's ehhh............a slang word...........

fran

 

[scandi]

Charlie, I researched that about a week ago. I did find JTF's posts though - I remember reading them just after they were written - and they are now listed under JustThe Facts.

Yet, it showed 0 posts by JTF and that just isn't the case. He could delete his own posts I think, but to transfer them to another nic, that would have to take CW. She must have got a directive from the attorney on JTF's behalf, but then I would think they would have pulled all of his/her posts. This person did take a risk posting.

And this person also posted at Misfits. I caught notice that the first post written was under a different name - JustTheFacts I think - and then they became JTF for the rest of their posts. That's a blog, so I don't think they have a running list of members. I haven't even seen Joe posting, but maybe he has a different nic at CTV.

 

[strach304]

I'm thinking the 11 o'clock call was quite heated and for all we know Michele called him. The printout may have not been enough so I'm thinking those discs and camcorders, etc. Michele looked through herself. I think just like with Laci Michele may have known of another previous affair and after all is said and done here she is pregnant talking about going part-time, husband has a better paying job etc. and she finds out he having an affair with a good friend at that! I'd be real pi$$ed. Who knows what she may have threatened him with besides divorce. By most accounts this doesn't look like a guy who wanted to be married.

Explains why some aspects look preplanned and others don't. It was a rage killing and of course he had quite a bit to clean up and worry about getting out of there. Lots of stuff he didn't think to do and I bet whatever he hit her with is what's missing. Anybody know what time would have been stamped on the printer? When it actually printed or when it was sent?

 

[strach304]

Strach,

I think it is a very good theory - logical and very possible.

Sorry if I get a bit anal here - LE published nothing - the media published this information. Anyone of us could walk into the Wake County courthouse, request these search warrant returns, pay for them and walk out. Warrants upon return become public record - LE did not slip them to anyone - they are all signed as being returned. LE has not named him a suspect or said he is uncooperative to a single media person.

Sorry, I felt the need to clarify this. I have a huge weak spot for LE.

Ok sorry I'm being sloppy and yes you are anal :crazy:
I think LE let it get published and they sure did make the statement he's not co-operating but MM is. That oughta get him worried.

 

[raisincharlie]

I'm thinking the 11 o'clock call was quite heated and for all we know Michele called him. The printout may have not been enough so I'm thinking those discs and camcorders, etc. Michele looked through herself. I think just like with Laci Michele may have known of another previous affair and after all is said and done here she is pregnant talking about going part-time, husband has a better paying job etc. and she finds out he having an affair with a good friend at that! I'd be real pi$$ed. Who knows what she may have threatened him with besides divorce. By most accounts this doesn't look like a guy who wanted to be married.

Explains why some aspects look preplanned and others don't. It was a rage killing and of course he had quite a bit to clean up and worry about getting out of there. Lots of stuff he didn't think to do and I bet whatever he hit her with is what's missing. Anybody know what time would have been stamped on the printer? When it actually printed or when it was sent?

Both times will be logged - received time and the print time on the driver. For emails and faxes that I get- the print time/date is displayed on the print out. The communications program reveals received time., as well as date. I would think he would have a rather sopisticated program for a home office - the forensic persons will be able to find it.

 

[strach304]

Both times will be logged - received time and the print time on the driver. For emails and faxes that I get- the print time/date is displayed on the print out. The communications program reveals received time., as well as date. I would think he would have a rather sopisticated program for a home office - the forensic persons will be able to find it.

Great! I know they can check it for fingerprints too but if she was looking into stuff on the pc they'll know all that too. I think that fax is gonna be a big problem for him afterall and makes sense the media put out the story revealing MM because she is tied to it. They may already know of others but that's the key point he has to be worried about.
Sounded like the baby said daddy did it. :behindbar

 

[strach304]

If they have MM tied to that fax/printout you can bet that's why she's co-operating now. I think they would've automatically gotten the warrant anyway but if she didn't come forth willingly then I'm sure LE had no problem with scaring the crap out of her by threatening to charge her as an accessory or co-conspirator, whichever that would be.

 

[raisincharlie]

If they have MM tied to that fax/printout you can bet that's why she's co-operating now. I think they would've automatically gotten the warrant anyway but if she didn't come forth willingly then I'm sure LE had no problem with scaring the crap out of her by threatening to charge her as an accessory or co-conspirator, whichever that would be.

I don't know why but I think the fax/printout originated from MM. Haven't seen anything indicating that for some reason it is just in my brain she may be the sender. A cursory review of JY's computer would tell who it came from - seems to me the probable cause in the warrants reflects the emails and phone calls - this tells me LE has compiled a lot of data very quickly.

One thing nice about this is the timing of the warrant - I'm hoping there will be additional communications between them after the funeral. I'm sure LE was pretty darn blunt with her once they knew she was involved with JY. I imagine she might have needed a new set of undies before LE was done - if she has half a brain -she is going to absolutely spill the whole pot of beans. Actually, I'm glad the press broke it and published those warrants - news is news without anyone saying a word and JY boy is sweating a few more bullets and waiting for the other shoe(s) to drop.

I think you're right - time to add :behindbar

 

[Scout]

The posts are still there. The poster's name is just the facts not JTF. People are just abbreviating it in discussing the posts.

 

[strach304]

Yes RC, we talked about her as the sender in a post here just yesterday I think I'm betting the gift for Michele was a story those two cooked up after the fact. You have confirmed that LE will know all of that and it makes a whole lot of sense to me now why he isn't talking. He better shut up.

 

[Scout]

I don't know why but I think the fax/printout originated from MM. Haven't seen anything indicating that for some reason it is just in my brain she may be the sender. A cursory review of JY's computer would tell who it came from - seems to me the probable cause in the warrants reflects the emails and phone calls - this tells me LE has compiled a lot of data very quickly.

One thing nice about this is the timing of the warrant - I'm hoping there will be additional communications between them after the funeral. I'm sure LE was pretty darn blunt with her once they knew she was involved with JY. I imagine she might have needed a new set of undies before LE was done - if she has half a brain -she is going to absolutely spill the whole pot of beans. Actually, I'm glad the press broke it and published those warrants - news is news without anyone saying a word and JY boy is sweating a few more bullets and waiting for the other shoe(s) to drop.

I think you're right - time to add :behindbar

That's a possiblity. If MM did send the "fax", that's a possible indicator that Michelle didn't know about the affair. Or, at least, didn't share it with her sister.

 

[jilly]

welcome bellgardin

& a happy birthday wish to your daughter, jilly

Awww! Thanks Close!:blowkiss:

 

[raisincharlie]

The posts are still there. The poster's name is just the facts not JTF. People are just abbreviating it in discussing the posts.

I know but the name is no longer listed as a member:

http://boards.courttv.com/memberlist.php?action=getall&what=&ltr=J&perpage=25&orderby=username&ausername=&homepage=&icq=&aim=&yahoo=&joindateafter=&joindatebefore=&lastpostafter=&lastpostbefore=&postslower=0&postsupper=0&direction=ASC&pagenumber=30

 

[jilly]

OK, so Jason leaves for his trip about 5:00, stops for dinner, arrives at his hotel about 9:00. After Michelle's friend leaves she finds the picture of the bag, talks to JY on the phone at 11:00 and there's an argument.

Michelle, perhaps suspecting boodie boy has been cheating, {swishes} a wedding photo off the table and goes up to bed, perhaps crying, just drops off to sleep still in her sweat outfit.

After the fight, Jason get PO'd, realizes he's in deep doodoo and drives three hours back home, it's now say 2:30. He enters the home, goes up to the bedroom and {{wham}}! A fight ensues but MY is killed, ending up on the floor.

JY cleans up somewhat, (himself especially), drives on back to his hotel, dropping off any evidence including the murder weapon.

He may have closed the dog in the garage while he did his deed and closed Cassidy's bedroom door too. Or, it sounds like Cassidy may have heard something and saw the fight and JY had to calm her down and get her back to sleep and clean himself up.

There's still time to get back to his hotel and get ready for his meeting.

Plausible, IMHO.

JMHO
fran

PS...He's now had a month to find out what Cassidy told LE and try to change her visions of that fateful night.........Where is Jason Young?

I think he left around 6:30-7 - like PacFan said when there's less traffic. He gets there, checks in giving them his credit card and phones her at 11 to make sure no one is staying over. After that, he leaves. (I stay at the Marriott Courtyards alot and you can leave via many exits.) He gets back around 3, murders her, cleans himself up and before sunrise drives back to Virginia to go to the meeting.

The only thing curious about this is that at the Marriott, they put a statement under your door in the middle of the nite so it'll be interesting to see if that was left behind because I don't believe he ever went back. The key card would bust him.

It's an interesting theory about the fax, however, I still think this whole thing was premeditated.

With respect to the wedding photos, they could simply have been covered with blood which they would want to test - same as the lamp.

 

[Scout]

I know but the name is no longer listed as a member:

http://boards.courttv.com/memberlist.php?action=getall&what=&ltr=J&perpage=25&orderby=username&ausername=&homepage=&icq=&aim=&yahoo=&joindateafter=&joindatebefore=&lastpostafter=&lastpostbefore=&postslower=0&postsupper=0&direction=ASC&pagenumber=30

http://boards.courttv.com/member.php?action=getinfo&userid=102987

 

[strach304]

I was also considering the defensive wounds mentioned on her hands and arms and I know RC, we don't know till the AR comes out but that could tell a story as well. She wasn't hit in the face that we know of so she would've been trying to cover her head right? The marks should reflect the weapon that was used but also may show bruising around the wrists from being grabbed or scratches and cuts from broken glass. Indications of a physical struggle first like the choking and bruises from that. Now if he cleaned up or at least tried to who else would do that or why?

 

[strach304]

I've said certain aspects look premeditated and others don't so lets look at that.
1. the fax/printout
2. the trip-business
3. the trip to the parents
4. call to find the body

Feel free to add more that's all I can think of for the moment but with those in mind add to it that none of his times at the hotel or on the road etc. have been cleared by LE that we know of. The business trip probably was where he was headed and I won't be surprised to find out that the trip to the parents was a last minute detail. You can bet they aren't talking to LE either. We first heard that was a convenience visit so maybe that is what was first told to them. The 12-6 timeframe means something there also so I doubt they know where he was in that timeframe. It looks pretty sloppy but when you consider that maybe LE is very serious when they say that the forensics are holding things up.

 

[raisincharlie]

I was also considering the defensive wounds mentioned on her hands and arms and I know RC, we don't know till the AR comes out but that could tell a story as well. She wasn't hit in the face that we know of so she would've been trying to cover her head right? The marks should reflect the weapon that was used but also may show bruising around the wrists from being grabbed or scratches and cuts from broken glass. Indications of a physical struggle first like the choking and bruises from that. Now if he cleaned up or at least tried to who else would do that or why?

Strach,

I'm not good at the autopsy thing - it is way over my head. But defensive wounds to her hands and arms certainly would suggest some form of covering up at minimum and it is possible from direct confrontation.

All I can draw on is the Dyleski case for experience - we all thought the crown moulding was used to hit Pamela , but from the coroner's testimony it became clear there were other weapons, probably rocks, used to actually inflict the damage to her skull. Some of her defensive wounds were consistent with the moulding but not all. The DA in that case did not have the weapon(s) which actually inflicted the blows to her skull and hypothosized with the ME what the wounds could be consistent with. The weapon was implied rather than proven.

There may be a significant difference here though - Pamela had some mobility during the attack on her and some of her wounds were inflicted while falling against objects in the room. If MY was not in a struggle which moved around the room, perhaps her wounds will be more consistent with a specific object or more identifiable. Hopefully someone with much more knowledge of this subject will address your question more thoroughly. I know one thing - the autopsy from the Dyleski case was horrible...this one may be just as horrific IMO. I doubt the press will release the autopsy report out of sensitivity but they may.