Michigan - Coronavirus COVID-19

[MrX]

Poll shows where Michigan parents stand on school mask requirements (detroitnews.com)

Lansing — Michigan parents are closely divided on whether schools should require their children to wear masks to combat COVID-19, and the vast majority of them have strong feelings on the subject, according to a new poll.

About 49% of those surveyed said they supported requirements that all students and staff in a school wear masks, while about 45% said they opposed the idea, according to the survey of 600 parents with children in public schools. The Aug. 23-26 poll by Glengariff Group had a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points and was commissioned by the K-12 Alliance of Michigan.

When the topic was addressed differently, specifically raising the possibility of parents deciding about mask use, 54% said parents should choose whether their students wear masks in schools, and 42% said all students should be required to wear them...

It would be interesting if they added another question, such as "how effective are masks?" I'd like to see how each group would answer.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

It would be interesting if they added another question, such as "how effective are masks?" I'd like to see how each group would answer.

I'd hazard a guess and say that the parents who want their kids to wear masks in school are convinced that they work, while parents who don't want mask mandates don't think masks work. JMO

 

[ilovewings]

It would be interesting if they added another question, such as "how effective are masks?" I'd like to see how each group would answer.

There is one group feels this way, one group feels that way, then there is REALITY
Please see attached video: You don't have to be a rocket scientist or a genius to understand that a face covering is a barrier so that when you sneeze or cough for example a face covering is going to keep droplets from spreading out: Please tell me why this is so difficult to understand? I don't get it. COMMON SENSE

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[MrX]

Poll shows where Michigan parents stand on school mask requirements (detroitnews.com)

Lansing — Michigan parents are closely divided on whether schools should require their children to wear masks to combat COVID-19, and the vast majority of them have strong feelings on the subject, according to a new poll.

About 49% of those surveyed said they supported requirements that all students and staff in a school wear masks, while about 45% said they opposed the idea, according to the survey of 600 parents with children in public schools. The Aug. 23-26 poll by Glengariff Group had a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points and was commissioned by the K-12 Alliance of Michigan.

When the topic was addressed differently, specifically raising the possibility of parents deciding about mask use, 54% said parents should choose whether their students wear masks in schools, and 42% said all students should be required to wear them...

It would be interesting if they added another question, such as "how effective are masks?" I'd like to see how each group would answer.

There is one group feels this way, one group feels that way, then there is REALITY
Please see attached video: You don't have to be a rocket scientist or a genius to understand that a face covering is a barrier so that when you sneeze or cough for example a face covering is going to keep droplets from spreading out: Please tell me why this is so difficult to understand? I don't get it. COMMON SENSE

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I think it's because the CDC's initial mask guidance was based on Covid acting like the flu - large, heavy droplets that quickly fall to the ground. After it was discovered that Covid is an aerosol that can, per CDC, hit someone from 60 feet away, in an enclosed space, was the efficacy of masking ever reexamined? The question, that I have heard asked, is how effective do masks have to be in order for all of the rules, mandates, arguments and fights to be worthwhile? If masks are 90% effective, then it seems like the answer is clear. But what if they are 10% effective? Either way, I can't imagine being a parent in this climate,

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

It would be interesting if they added another question, such as "how effective are masks?" I'd like to see how each group would answer.

I think it's because the CDC's initial mask guidance was based on Covid acting like the flu - large, heavy droplets that quickly fall to the ground. After it was discovered that Covid is an aerosol that can, per CDC, hit someone from 60 feet away, in an enclosed space, was the efficacy of masking ever reexamined? The question, that I have heard asked, is how effective do masks have to be in order for all of the rules, mandates, arguments and fights to be worthwhile? If masks are 90% effective, then it seems like the answer is clear. But what if they are 10% effective? Either way, I can't imagine being a parent in this climate,

Masks can't be effective if they are not worn correctly. Over the months when masks were mandated in Michigan, I saw many folks with ill-fitting masks or masks that were not worn properly to cover the individual's nose. I also wonder how often masks are laundered or how frequently disposable masks are changed. For months, I would see masks strung around rear view mirrors so drivers and/or passengers could put them on if they were going inside a venue requiring face coverings. I often wondered how often those masks were washed or tossed if they were disposable. I hope parents and teachers instruct children how to properly wear facial coverings. Students should always have an extra mask in their backpacks in case the one they are wearing gets wet or soiled. Unless disposable, masks should be washed regularly - a dirty mask isn't going to protect anyone. JMO

 

[MrX]

Masks can't be effective if they are not worn correctly. Over the months when masks were mandated in Michigan, I saw many folks with ill-fitting masks or masks that were not worn properly to cover the individual's nose. I also wonder how often masks are laundered or how frequently disposable masks are changed. For months, I would see masks strung around rear view mirrors so drivers and/or passengers could put them on if they were going inside a venue requiring face coverings. I often wondered how often those masks were washed or tossed if they were disposable. I hope parents and teachers instruct children how to properly wear facial coverings. Students should always have an extra mask in their backpacks in case the one they are wearing gets wet or soiled. Unless disposable, masks should be washed regularly - a dirty mask isn't going to protect anyone. JMO

Exactly - I can't tell you how many businesses have employee mandates and they are all under their noses. This is also where it would help if people were clearer in their positions, rather than yelling talking points and ignoring each other. Wearing a mask to walk from the front door to the table of a restaurant, and then spending 90 minutes eating, drinking and yucking it up, never made sense, from a mask perspective - so then what happens is that someone says "mask" and another person hears "close bars and indoor dining."

 

[ilovewings]

Exactly - I can't tell you how many businesses have employee mandates and they are all under their noses. This is also where it would help if people were clearer in their positions, rather than yelling talking points and ignoring each other. Wearing a mask to walk from the front door to the table of a restaurant, and then spending 90 minutes eating, drinking and yucking it up, never made sense, from a mask perspective - so then what happens is that someone says "mask" and another person hears "close bars and indoor dining."

Masks under the nose make me nuts!!!! I want to say to that person "why bother?"

 

[ilovewings]

New COVID-19 outbreaks in Michigan schools more than triple in one week

 

[Sundog]

It would be interesting if they added another question, such as "how effective are masks?" I'd like to see how each group would answer.


I think it's because the CDC's initial mask guidance was based on Covid acting like the flu - large, heavy droplets that quickly fall to the ground. After it was discovered that Covid is an aerosol that can, per CDC, hit someone from 60 feet away, in an enclosed space, was the efficacy of masking ever reexamined? The question, that I have heard asked, is how effective do masks have to be in order for all of the rules, mandates, arguments and fights to be worthwhile? If masks are 90% effective, then it seems like the answer is clear. But what if they are 10% effective? Either way, I can't imagine being a parent in this climate,

Scott Gottieb, former FDA director, and Dr. Mike Osterholm, have both said in recent interviews that cloth masks and surgical masks are not effective with the Delta variant, and that N95 masks should be worn. I guess they are better than nothing, but the fact that they aren't worn correctly, either under the nose, or with lots of gaps, and the fact that they aren't very effective anyway if cloth or surgical masks, then that needs to be taken into consideration. I am working remotely and from my home office window I see the elementary school line up at the school bus stop every morning. They all have masks in their pockets or back packs and put them on when the bus comes. Before the bus arrives, no one wears a mask, including kids and their parents, siblings, etc. And at the end of the day, as soon as they get off the bus, the masks come off and they are playing and running around with one another.

 

[ilovewings]

Henry Ford workers sue to stop COVID-19 vaccine mandate

I cross posted this on the main pandemic thread. Any health care worker involved in patient care must be vaccinated and any health care worker who does not understand this concept should find another line of work, like flipping burgers.

 

[MrX]

Henry Ford workers sue to stop COVID-19 vaccine mandate

I cross posted this on the main pandemic thread. Any health care worker involved in patient care must be vaccinated and any health care worker who does not understand this concept should find another line of work, like flipping burgers.

For whatever reason, there seem to be a surprising number of health care workers who are vaccine-hesitant. I wonder what the fallout will be if they leave the profession, when hospitals are already so desperate for employees. At the hospital I work for, they say it's not even a question of money - there simply aren't any people to fill these jobs, no matter how much they offer.

 

[ilovewings]

For whatever reason, there seem to be a surprising number of health care workers who are vaccine-hesitant. I wonder what the fallout will be if they leave the profession, when hospitals are already so desperate for employees. At the hospital I work for, they say it's not even a question of money - there simply aren't any people to fill these jobs, no matter how much they offer.

I can understand a health care worker being vaccine hesitant, but they could do
some research and educate themselves and realize that when they are involved
with patient care, they have an obligation to protect those patients and certainly
not spreading a potentially fatal disease to patients. If they cannot grasp
that concept they need to find another job.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Michigan hospitals operating 'at near capacity levels,' official says (detroitnews.com)

Lansing — Michigan hospital leaders urged residents on Thursday to get vaccinated against COVID-19 before the situation in the state becomes "dire" and to help the health care system avoid reaching a "tipping point."

The pressing problem facing hospitals is not the availability of beds but staffing, said Brian Peters, CEO of the Michigan Health and Hospital Association. He described hospital staffing as "stressed to a level that we have not seen previously,"

"You can have all of the beds in the world," Peters said. "If you don't have an adequate number of nurses, physicians, other health care providers to staff those beds, that's where we run into to a problem.

"What's different now as opposed to the start of the pandemic is that we have lost a number of health care employees. Many have chosen early retirement. ... Many have left the hospital or health care setting altogether."...

 

[MrX]

Michigan hospitals operating 'at near capacity levels,' official says (detroitnews.com)

Lansing — Michigan hospital leaders urged residents on Thursday to get vaccinated against COVID-19 before the situation in the state becomes "dire" and to help the health care system avoid reaching a "tipping point."

The pressing problem facing hospitals is not the availability of beds but staffing, said Brian Peters, CEO of the Michigan Health and Hospital Association. He described hospital staffing as "stressed to a level that we have not seen previously,"

"You can have all of the beds in the world," Peters said. "If you don't have an adequate number of nurses, physicians, other health care providers to staff those beds, that's where we run into to a problem.

"What's different now as opposed to the start of the pandemic is that we have lost a number of health care employees. Many have chosen early retirement. ... Many have left the hospital or health care setting altogether."...

And this is the crux - would people rather be cared for by an unvaccinated RN, or the person that delivers the dinner tray? Have we hit any of these dates where people have to decide to get vaxxed or change job? It will be interesting to see what really happens.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Beaumont study: Vaccines prevent COVID-19 hospitalizations, deaths (detroitnews.com)

Vaccination against COVID-19 significantly reduces the risk of hospitalization or death from the novel coronavirus, according to results of a Beaumont Health study published Thursday in the medical journal Lancet Regional Health – Americas.

The large-scale study looked at data without personal identification from 11,834 people who tested positive for COVID-19 at Beaumont emergency centers between Dec. 15, 2020, and April 30, 2021.

The analysis determined that the hospitalization rate and emergency center visit rate was 96% lower for fully vaccinated patients than for unvaccinated patients, according a press release from the eight-hospital health care system based in Southfield...

 

[ilovewings]

Beaumont study: Vaccines prevent COVID-19 hospitalizations, deaths (detroitnews.com)

Vaccination against COVID-19 significantly reduces the risk of hospitalization or death from the novel coronavirus, according to results of a Beaumont Health study published Thursday in the medical journal Lancet Regional Health – Americas.

The large-scale study looked at data without personal identification from 11,834 people who tested positive for COVID-19 at Beaumont emergency centers between Dec. 15, 2020, and April 30, 2021.

The analysis determined that the hospitalization rate and emergency center visit rate was 96% lower for fully vaccinated patients than for unvaccinated patients, according a press release from the eight-hospital health care system based in Southfield...

That is really good news- but I think people who are fully vaccinated still have to be careful (as in wearing masks indoors) and avoid really large crowds. JMO

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Michigan adults can now access immunization records through free online portal (clickondetroit.com)

Includes COVID-19 vaccination records, if you lose card

 

[ilovewings]

Michigan adults can now access immunization records through free online portal (clickondetroit.com)

Includes COVID-19 vaccination records, if you lose card

Great information: thank you!

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Second largest school district in US issues vaccine mandate for students -- Will Detroit schools follow suit? (clickondetroit.com)

DPSCD to take ‘wait and see’ approach

DETROIT – A lot of time, money and effort has been put into making Detroit Public Schools Community District schools as safe as possible for students.

After an outbreak at Renaissance High School, the reality of how well these measures will work were brought to light.

After the second largest school district in the country mandated vaccines for students 12 and up, the conversations have begun in Michigan’s largest school district...

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Detroit couple with 7 children die one day apart after falling ill with COVID-19 (detroitnews.com)

Detroit — The family of a Detroit couple with seven children are grieving after both parents were infected with COVID-19 and died less than a day apart.

Troy and Charletta Green, married for 22 years, had plans to go to Florida with their seven children in August, Troy's sister Tiki Green said.

Charletta's mother died from COVID-19 in May and the Detroit couple had planned an August vacation with their kids, ages 10 to 23, to spend time together and grieve the loss of their loved one, Tiki Green said...