Millard Properties: Locations and Ownership

[SnooperDuper]

Well I guess the end of the MRO was strike one and the criminal investigation there was the end of it: the city has wanted MA to sell for two years now. The neighbours have been irked. M.R. Jutzi's auction yard is smack dab on top of a reputed chop shop at the airport? No, can't have that. No doubt MA could have been found in violation of the lease in some way, and forced to sell...but in order to do that, DM would have to settle the debt on the hangar because it wasn't going to sell for what it cost. Thus all the real estate gymnastics. Guessing. Anyway.

Then there is the complexity added by WM's death. Suicide (inheritance) or murder (no inheritance)? No wonder DP is standing by...

...or is it,

“I never take a case without thinking I can win it,” the 50-year-old lawyer says.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...deepak_paradkar_i_treat_trials_like_wars.html

 

[matou]

Is DP bailing out?

 

[swedie]

So everything has been liquidated to cash? Every property, vehicle, tool, possession other than DM's personal items? Held in storage perhaps?

Was one of these helicopters the helicopter that DM was still flying right up until his arrest?

http://t.thestar.com/#/article/news...lice_say.html?referrer=https://www.google.ca/

I'd think that might have some sentimental value if it is. Was it also sold?

Actually if you really look at DM in these pictures, he is not at all that heavy for a boy of 14. It does appear he was tall at age 14. I think his choice of clothing could be the issue in making him seem heavier than he actually is. But then again that was the style of his generation. Because these pictures were published in the MSM along with his flying achievements, and looking back on them now, one can understand to a degree his obsession (or so it seems IMO) with custom, tailored, suits.

DM has this hang up about his appearance from years ago. He wants to find someone to place the blame on other then himself. One example is that he blames his father for allowing him to eat so much pasta. But in reality, around that age we know we are quite capable of making our own decision and outward appearance starts to matter. Did his father also make him take dog biscuits to school for his meals? Somehow I highly doubt that. Seems it was his own doing. So why now as an adult, doesn't he just lay blame where blame is due...on himself? Narcissistic people have a tendency to put others down while uplifting themselves. MOO.

A chubby adolescent who resented his father for allowing him to eat pasta non-stop after his parents’ marriage ended, Millard is clearly image conscious, expressing embarrassment in a letter that newspapers frequently run a photograph of him from his pudgy days. He is working out to stay in shape and not gain weight, he writes.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...rn-to-world-of-fast-cars-and-exotic-adventure

 

[Alethea Dice]

Actually if you really look at DM in these pictures, he is not at all that heavy for a boy of 14. It does appear he was tall at age 14. I think his choice of clothing could be the issue in making him seem heavier than he actually is. But then again that was the style of his generation. Because these pictures were published in the MSM along with his flying achievements, and looking back on them now, one can understand to a degree his obsession (or so it seems IMO) with custom, tailored, suits.

DM has this hang up about his appearance from years ago. He wants to find someone to place the blame on other then himself. One example is that he blames his father for allowing him to eat so much pasta. But in reality, around that age we know we are quite capable of making our own decision and outward appearance starts to matter. Did his father also make him take dog biscuits to school for his meals? Somehow I highly doubt that. Seems it was his own doing. So why now as an adult, doesn't he just lay blame where blame is due...on himself? Narcissistic people have a tendency to put others down while uplifting themselves. MOO.

A chubby adolescent who resented his father for allowing him to eat pasta non-stop after his parents’ marriage ended, Millard is clearly image conscious, expressing embarrassment in a letter that newspapers frequently run a photograph of him from his pudgy days. He is working out to stay in shape and not gain weight, he writes.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...rn-to-world-of-fast-cars-and-exotic-adventure

If DM really has to be convicted based on his childhood, how much he weighed at any given period of his life, and someone's interpretation of a few letters he wrote, the Crown is going to have some real problems at trial. JMO MOO :shakehead:

 

[Arnie M]

The people who bought the hangar are an established (and expanding) AgustaWestland Helicopter maintenance & repair operation plus a fleet of executive jets.

3 of their helicopters stuck in a corner of the hangar are probably worth more than the cost of the whole building
AW109 is about $6 million new (they have two)
AW119 is about $2 million new
If an EH101 should drop by it is about $21 million
And they would still have room for $20 million worth of their Citation jets.

 

[Kamille]

Hi Kamille .... no , they did not own that one , it is a Robinson R22 from a flight school where DM trained , and subsequently flew C-FFFM solo at the age of only 14.

Some years later that same R22 was involved in a midair with a Cessna 170 with fatal injuries to the pilot , the damaged Cessna was able to land in a farm field and the pilot survived.

Below is DM's helicopter , it is a Bell 47G2 ... the other picture on the beach was taken in BC before DM owned it. Depending on overhaul times they sell for $100k to $200k

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Thank you for your impressive knowledge of all things aviation Arnie. Always so interesting and informative. It's obvious from your posts how much you love and respect the industry. Such a shame that someone you probably once admired for his achievements in aviation has put such a black mark on his family dynasty.

That is a very unique looking helicopter that MA still owns. In your professional opinion, would the notoriety of it and perhaps the two Piper airplanes, increase or decrease their actual market value?

TIA

 

[Alethea Dice]

Well I guess the end of the MRO was strike one and the criminal investigation there was the end of it: the city has wanted MA to sell for two years now. The neighbours have been irked. M.R. Jutzi's auction yard is smack dab on top of a reputed chop shop at the airport? No, can't have that. No doubt MA could have been found in violation of the lease in some way, and forced to sell...but in order to do that, DM would have to settle the debt on the hangar because it wasn't going to sell for what it cost. Thus all the real estate gymnastics. Guessing. Anyway.

Then there is the complexity added by WM's death. Suicide (inheritance) or murder (no inheritance)? No wonder DP is standing by...

...or is it,



http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...deepak_paradkar_i_treat_trials_like_wars.html

Of course they did. Wouldn't you? The hangar was sitting there empty, taking up space, and the airport was only making $19,000 a year off of it. But they weren't willing to buy the hangar themselves, were they? You can't blame MillardAir for not wanting to sell right away if they knew they were going to take a loss, plus lose one source of income if they had been the one able to rent it out and maybe recoup some of their losses that way. Might as well wait and hope for a reasonable offer rather than just giving it away immediately.

 

[swedie]

If DM really has to be convicted based on his childhood, how much he weighed at any given period of his life, and someone's interpretation of a few letters he wrote, the Crown is going to have some real problems at trial. JMO MOO :shakehead:

Lol where did this come from? :waitasec: I don't believe I stated anything about this having any bearing on the case or trial. But I will respond being as that came out of the blue.

BBM- I think these issues will be the furthest thing from the Crown's mind. I certainly believe they will be focussed on all the actual evidence. Maybe the defense will put that picture on the overhead to boost about DM's achievements and intelligence. MOO.

 

[Alethea Dice]

The people who bought the hangar are an established (and expanding) AgustaWestland Helicopter maintenance & repair operation plus a fleet of executive jets.

3 of their helicopters stuck in a corner of the hangar are probably worth more than the cost of the whole building
AW109 is about $6 million new (they have two)
AW119 is about $2 million new
If an EH101 should drop by it is about $21 million
And they would still have room for $20 million worth of their Citation jets.

Just to be clear, they were appointed the authorized service centre for AgustaWestland's helicopters. There is no other connection, correct?

 

[Arnie M]

Thank you for your impressive knowledge of all things aviation Arnie. Always so interesting and informative. It's obvious from your posts how much you love and respect the industry. Such a shame that someone you probably once admired for his achievements in aviation has put such a black mark on his family dynasty.

That is a very unique looking helicopter that MA still owns. In your professional opinion, would the notoriety of it and perhaps the two Piper airplanes, increase or decrease their actual market value?

TIA

Thanks Kamille , yes I love helicopters and fly the Bell 47 G2 , and would love to own Dellen's if it came up for sale , the notoriety would not devalue it but I would prefer to think of it as the former Chinook Helicopters in the picture from the BC beach a few years ago.

But it is a wealthy mans hobby , or it has to be put to work on a contract , the machine is at least $150k , insurance $20k per year , and direct operating costs around $300 for every hour flown , a certified mechanic has to be available to keep it serviced , plus at least $50k in spare parts sitting on the shelf.

Makes you pause and consider WM or DM could have it sitting around just to fly "once in a while" without having to worry about the cost. Wayne was also a helicopter pilot , he did it to protest and film the seal hunts back in the 1980's until laws were passed preventing anyone from coming within a mile or so of the hunters.

And yes , back around 1999 Dellen was very much talked about in the industry and admired for flying a helicopter at age 14 , it was quite an accomplishment , not only that , he did it in an R22 (the one he is pictured in front of) ... they are a lightweight machine with sensitive twitchy controls , and one of the hardest to fly.

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[swedie]

Thanks Kamille , yes I love helicopters and fly the Bell 47 G2 , and would love to own Dellen's if it came up for sale , the notoriety would not devalue it but I would prefer to think of it as the former Chinook Helicopters in the picture from the BC beach a few years ago.

But it is a wealthy mans hobby , or it has to be put to work on a contract , the machine is at least $150k , insurance $20k per year , and direct operating costs around $300 for every hour flown , a certified mechanic has to be available to keep it serviced , plus at least $50k in spare parts sitting on the shelf.

Makes you pause and consider WM or DM could have it sitting around just to fly "once in a while" without having to worry about the cost. Wayne was also a helicopter pilot , he did it to protest and film the seal hunts back in the 1980's until laws were passed preventing anyone from coming within a mile or so of the hunters.

And yes , back around 1999 Dellen was very much talked about in the industry and admired for flying a helicopter at age 14 , it was quite an accomplishment , not only that , he did it in an R22 (the one he is pictured in front of) ... they are a lightweight machine with sensitive twitchy controls , and one of the hardest to fly.

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Very admirable Arnie and all so interesting and informative. Thank you for sharing. :tyou:

In my younger years, my father use to fly little four seater Cessnas. It truly was an amazing feeling to be up there and experience that feeling of freedom. Glad to learn you're still flying, enjoy. MOO.

 

[Kamille]

Thanks Kamille , yes I love helicopters and fly the Bell 47 G2 , and would love to own Dellen's if it came up for sale , the notoriety would not devalue it but I would prefer to think of it as the former Chinook Helicopters in the picture from the BC beach a few years ago.

But it is a wealthy mans hobby , or it has to be put to work on a contract , the machine is at least $150k , insurance $20k per year , and direct operating costs around $300 for every hour flown , a certified mechanic has to be available to keep it serviced , plus at least $50k in spare parts sitting on the shelf.

Makes you pause and consider WM or DM could have it sitting around just to fly "once in a while" without having to worry about the cost. Wayne was also a helicopter pilot , he did it to protest and film the seal hunts back in the 1980's until laws were passed preventing anyone from coming within a mile or so of the hunters.

And yes , back around 1999 Dellen was very much talked about in the industry and admired for flying a helicopter at age 14 , it was quite an accomplishment , not only that , he did it in an R22 (the one he is pictured in front of) ... they are a lightweight machine with sensitive twitchy controls , and one of the hardest to fly.

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Perhaps DM's mother has a sentimental attachment to the remaining aircraft then? I'd imagine she flew often with WM in them. I believe I've read that she participated with WM in the filming of seal hunt documentaries. I assume all three aircraft were around while she was married to WM? This is a very big part of her life that she's been forced to liquidate as well. Must be hard on her.

Can't think of any other reason why these 3 aircraft wouldn't be up for sale. Other than perhaps a desperate hope that they may once again be flown by that 14 yr old boy who appeared to have so much talent and potential. Once they are sold I guess that truly puts an end to the Millard Air dynasty?

MOO

 

[MsSherlock]

Perhaps DM's mother has a sentimental attachment to the remaining aircraft then? I'd imagine she flew often with WM in them. I believe I've read that she participated with WM in the filming of seal hunt documentaries. I assume all three aircraft were around while she was married to WM? This is a very big part of her life that she's been forced to liquidate as well. Must be hard on her.

Can't think of any other reason why these 3 aircraft wouldn't be up for sale. Other than perhaps a desperate hope that they may once again be flown by that 14 yr old boy who appeared to have so much talent and potential. Once they are sold I guess that truly puts an end to the Millard Air dynasty?

MOO

IMO, it's a pretty romantic and sentimental thought that there may be any attachment to the aircraft. But in actuality, the aircraft are no different than the real estate. Liquidate!!!!
http://www.controller.com/listingsd...le/PIPER-NAVAJO/1968-PIPER-NAVAJO/1369589.htm'
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...Currency=CHF&units=metric+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk
The Chieftain was listed for approx $125,000 Canadian and does appear to be sold, but a transfer hasn't been recorded yet.
I would imagine that the Bell wouldn't need much publicity to sell. IMHO MOO

 

[MsSherlock]

DM may end up taking the "Destroy the Dynasty" trophy from the Eaton's!!!! MOO

 

[Juballee]

If it somehow turns out that he is pronounced not guilty, will it still be so titilating that his family's 'dynasty' was destroyed to pay for his defence? Will his family get their dynasty back?

 

[Arnie M]

IMO, it's a pretty romantic and sentimental thought that there may be any attachment to the aircraft. But in actuality, the aircraft are no different than the real estate. Liquidate!!!!
http://www.controller.com/listingsd...le/PIPER-NAVAJO/1968-PIPER-NAVAJO/1369589.htm'
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...Currency=CHF&units=metric+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk
The Chieftain was listed for approx $125,000 Canadian and does appear to be sold, but a transfer hasn't been recorded yet.
I would imagine that the Bell wouldn't need much publicity to sell. IMHO MOO

That is a nice Piper http://www.controller.com/listingsd...le/PIPER-NAVAJO/1968-PIPER-NAVAJO/1369589.htm

C-GMLJ has been owned by MillardAir since 1986 so it was likely one bought by Carl, he had several thru the years .

When aircraft are sold , price mostly comes down to time remaining on components ... ie: how long since overhaul.

Two identical aircraft may have vastly different prices , if one has recently overhauled engines and props it can be flown for 2000 hours before needing expensive maintenance , if the engines have 1993 hours on them , the new owner can only fly it another 7 hours and then has to install new engines @ $30k each (for example)

Meticulous records are kept (logbooks) from when the aircraft left the factory in 1967 , every owner is listed , and every repair and overhaul is documented , including any accidents and rebuilds . Look at the picture in the advertisement , there is a stack of binders & records that come with the plane.

Aviation has a very refreshing and honest approach in all transactions , there are no used-car-salesmen spewing bull or making wild claims. .

If all businesses used the same integrity as seen in aviation , it would be a much better world

 

[MsSherlock]

If it somehow turns out that he is pronounced not guilty, will it still be so titilating that his family's 'dynasty' was destroyed to pay for his defence? Will his family get their dynasty back?

IMO we don't have to worry too much about the "what if" he's innocent card right now. If in fact he's innocent, DM will get every cent back and perhaps more. Book deals, movies, lawsuits etc etc. I'm actually more concerned about MS. What about MS and his family? What if MS was just going for a ride with DM that day? What if MS had no idea what his buddy was really up to? What about MS's family and the humiliation they've all faced? IMHO, graffiti artist, pot smoking MS seems to be an odd "BFF" for DM and MS has a larger immediate family who are living thru this. As far as the "Millardair Dynasty"? IMHO, it was far from a dynasty. Max Ward or today's Robert Deluce are examples of aviation dynasties. IMHO, Millardair was toast before CM died- WM was simply trying to do something that would give DM a job with the money and assets CM had left him. MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

If it somehow turns out that he is pronounced not guilty, will it still be so titilating that his family's 'dynasty' was destroyed to pay for his defence? Will his family get their dynasty back?

I think if he does weasel his way off the hook, he'll be packing his bags for Guadeloupe.

 

[MsSherlock]

That is a nice Piper http://www.controller.com/listingsd...le/PIPER-NAVAJO/1968-PIPER-NAVAJO/1369589.htm

C-GMLJ has been owned by MillardAir since 1986 so it was likely one bought by Carl, he had several thru the years .

When aircraft are sold , price mostly comes down to time remaining on components ... ie: how long since overhaul.

Two identical aircraft may have vastly different prices , if one has recently overhauled engines and props it can be flown for 2000 hours before needing expensive maintenance , if the engines have 1993 hours on them , the new owner can only fly it another 7 hours and then has to install new engines @ $30k each (for example)

Meticulous records are kept (logbooks) from when the aircraft left the factory in 1967 , every owner is listed , and every repair and overhaul is documented , including any accidents and rebuilds . Look at the picture in the advertisement , there is a stack of binders & records that come with the plane.

Aviation has a very refreshing and honest approach in all transactions , there are no used-car-salesmen spewing bull or making wild claims. .

If all businesses used the same integrity as seen in aviation , it would be a much better world

IMO you're correct Arnie. MLJ was purchased in 1986- according to TC records. I did a bit of twin engine training on a Navajo and the flight school I trained at used them for small charters. MLJ doesn't have a tremendous amount of total hours and is about half way to engine overhauls. MLJ is an older piston model and Piper only made a limited number of them.
http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur...n=||&cnn=||&tn=||&ln=||&fn=||&rfr2=RchHs.aspx

GAFF is essentially the same plane as GMLJ but with turbo charged engines. It was purchased from the States.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c..._serial:31-7512013)+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

GAFF didn't have a tremendous amount of hours either, so it doesn't surprise me that it sold fairly quickly. The ad says it was originally bought for "cargo" but never entered service.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...aft/ForSale/1347987+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

 

[Kamille]

IMO, it's a pretty romantic and sentimental thought that there may be any attachment to the aircraft. But in actuality, the aircraft are no different than the real estate. Liquidate!!!!
http://www.controller.com/listingsd...le/PIPER-NAVAJO/1968-PIPER-NAVAJO/1369589.htm'
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...Currency=CHF&units=metric+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk
The Chieftain was listed for approx $125,000 Canadian and does appear to be sold, but a transfer hasn't been recorded yet.
I would imagine that the Bell wouldn't need much publicity to sell. IMHO MOO

Nothing romantic at all about the notion that a woman who actually spent some of her young years flying in some of this aircraft with her aviator husband might be having a hard time liquidating her memories. Okay, after typing that maybe I am romanticizing a bit.

Thanks for that find MsSherlock. So 1 down, 2 to go then.