Miners Trapped In WV Coal Mine

[Linda7NJ]

Top News: Mine survivor in coma

Link is not working for me

 

[Mimi]

I will leave that up to the families of the victims to decide because they may want to find out if the safety violations could have caused this. There was anger and outrage in some of the families due to the intentional false hopes that were allowed to go on for quite awhile there. One lady there said it was three hours.

I fully agree on that txvicki but reiterate what I said and I quote "the explosion in the mine is the culprit-not the media or the brave men who tried to save the lost miners..god bless them all!"- I never denied that the company and its safety measures could be at fault... that is for future determination. As for the three hours- I agree it must have been HELL for the families and have empathy more than you know, but I understand the frontline people trying to get the absolute truth before they come back and possibly mess up again. No win situation all around that I think I tried to express in my earlier post. Again, God bless them all.

 

[Tom'sGirl]

Link is not working for me

Sorry, don't know what the deal is, the bulletin popped up and I copied the link, but nothing!

Don't know if they are posting what we already know or not, or if it's a change in his coma state

ETA: Okay got the link to work, but it is what we already knew!

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10719207/

 

[indigomood]

Link is not working for me

try this one....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060105...ey9aaEv;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

 

[Linda7NJ]

Thanks for the new link, I read that about 2 hours ago.

I like to keep up directly with the AP News Wires...let me check those

 

[JDB]

People we have lost the fact here.Where the explosion happened was in a closed off part of the mine.But it cause the part that was still active to also feel it.Kinda of like closing a part of a BLDG for being unsafe I think the mining owners have done everything possible.I am still waiting for the cause before I pass judgement

 

[Tom'sGirl]

Thanks for the new link, I read that about 2 hours ago.

I like to keep up directly with the AP News Wires...let me check those

The links above were from the AP Press.........same news as a few hours ago it appears.

 

[indigomood]

"Tell all I'll see them on the other side," read the note found with the body of 51-year-old mine foreman Martin Toler Jr. "It wasn't bad. I just went to sleep. I love you Jr."

Tom Toler, Martin's older brother who worked 30 years in the mine with him, said Thursday that the note was "written very lightly and very loosely" in block letters on the back of an insurance application form his brother had in his pocket.

"I took it to mean that it was written in the final stages," the brother said. "I'd call it more or less scribbling."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MINE_EXPLOSION?SITE=VAWAY&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&SECTION=HOME

 

[michelle]

"Tell all I'll see them on the other side," read the note found with the body of 51-year-old mine foreman Martin Toler Jr. "It wasn't bad. I just went to sleep. I love you Jr."

Tom Toler, Martin's older brother who worked 30 years in the mine with him, said Thursday that the note was "written very lightly and very loosely" in block letters on the back of an insurance application form his brother had in his pocket.

"I took it to mean that it was written in the final stages," the brother said. "I'd call it more or less scribbling."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MINE_EXPLOSION?SITE=VAWAY&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&SECTION=HOME

awww bless their hearts....

 

[scandi]

I wish I had faith in Fox News ..:chicken:

It would be fantastic if he responded when he heard his name.

You know, I heard a later report, and they said he did this twice today ~ the doctor calling his name and he opened his eyes and looked over at the doctor.

I mentioned I heard the doctor say he knew there was brain damage to the front part of the brain. This is what that lobe controls:


Frontal Lobe:
Most anterior, right under the forehead.

Functions:
How we know what we are doing within our environment (Consciousness).
How we initiate activity in response to our environment.
Judgments we make about what occurs in our daily activities.
Controls our emotional response.
Controls our expressive language.
Assigns meaning to the words we choose.
Involves word associations.
Memory for habits and motor activities.

Observed Problems:
Loss of simple movement of various body parts (Paralysis).
Inability to plan a sequence of complex movements needed to complete multi-stepped tasks, such as making coffee (Sequencing).
Loss of spontaneity in interacting with others.
Loss of flexibility in thinking.
Persistence of a single thought (Perseveration).
Inability to focus on task (Attending).
Mood changes (Emotionally Labile).
Changes in social behavior.
Changes in personality.
Difficulty with problem solving.
Inablility to express language (Broca's Aphasia).


I'm still bothered that the doctor told us this, but he must know something from a scan. Many people live with the problems llisted here. But I don't want to even consider this is final. There is a lot of time, and maybe the oxygen treatment will work miracles for him. After all, he is the miricle miner.

Scandi

 

[Buzz Mills]

You know, I heard a later report, and they said he did this twice today ~ the doctor calling his name and he opened his eyes and looked over at the doctor.

I mentioned I heard the doctor say he knew there was brain damage to the front part of the brain. This is what that lobe controls:


Frontal Lobe:
Most anterior, right under the forehead.

Functions:
How we know what we are doing within our environment (Consciousness).
How we initiate activity in response to our environment.
Judgments we make about what occurs in our daily activities.
Controls our emotional response.
Controls our expressive language.
Assigns meaning to the words we choose.
Involves word associations.
Memory for habits and motor activities.

Observed Problems:
Loss of simple movement of various body parts (Paralysis).
Inability to plan a sequence of complex movements needed to complete multi-stepped tasks, such as making coffee (Sequencing).
Loss of spontaneity in interacting with others.
Loss of flexibility in thinking.
Persistence of a single thought (Perseveration).
Inability to focus on task (Attending).
Mood changes (Emotionally Labile).
Changes in social behavior.
Changes in personality.
Difficulty with problem solving.
Inablility to express language (Broca's Aphasia).


I'm still bothered that the doctor told us this, but he must know something from a scan. Many people live with the problems llisted here. But I don't want to even consider this is final. There is a lot of time, and maybe the oxygen treatment will work miracles for him. After all, he is the miricle miner.

Scandi

It's all about wait and see; to see if he begins recovering. Sure would be nice to hear some better news.

 

[scandi]

I agree Buzz,

Brain damage sounds just like that. Final. I wish the doctor hadn't said that to the public. I do believe that hope and concerted thought can do wonderful things.


Scandi

 

[Nore]

Thanks for the update. Good to know that he is in a better place to be treated.

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Allegheny hospital is an excellent facility.My son was there at one point.The back portion of the brain controls all movement on command,also equalibrium,optic area is close by. My son had a brain stem infarction which hit the cerabrim (sp).He was unable to move at all,used his eyes for communication.The upper part of the brain is I believe the cerebellium. Joes was a blood clot.

 

[scandi]

How is your son now, Nore?

My husband fell against a night table hit the lower base of his skull. It caused a blood vessel in the brain to burst which caused his death. I hadn't seen him for years, and got a call from the coroner, telling me what had happened. That was a hard one to deal with.


Scandi

 

[Buzz Mills]

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Allegheny hospital is an excellent facility.My son was there at one point.The back portion of the brain controls all movement on command,also equalibrium,optic area is close by. My son had a brain stem infarction which hit the cerabrim (sp).He was unable to move at all,used his eyes for communication.The upper part of the brain is I believe the cerebellium. Joes was a blood clot.

Nore, is your son Ok now??? Allegheny Hospital is a well-respected facility. My home town was just South of there.

ABC had s special on working in the coal mines tonight--they also did a good interview with the principal owner of ICQ which owns the mine. The owner is hoping the American public will contribute to the dead miner's families--he's a billionaire.and they compared him to a vulture, as he is known for going in on bankrupt companies, and turning them around and then selling them off for huge profits.

 

[Buzz Mills]

How is your son now, Nore?

My husband fell against a night table hit the lower base of his skull. It caused a blood vessel in the brain to burst which caused his death. I hadn't seen him for years, and got a call from the coroner, telling me what had happened. That was a hard one to deal with.


Scandi

How long ago did that happen scandi; that's a tough one.

 

[Liz]

ABC had s special on working in the coal mines tonight--they also did a good interview with the principal owner of ICQ which owns the mine. The owner is hoping the American public will contribute to the dead miner's families--he's a billionaire.and they compared him to a vulture, as he is known for going in on bankrupt companies, and turning them around and then selling them off for huge profits.

He was a real piece of work, wasn't he!? (And I feel I'm being very generous with that remark.)

 

[Mygirlsadie]

I missed that show I wish I could of watched it I been curious now as to what exactly they do down in the mines. As for the vulture he is a billionare? Just out of respect for his hard workers he should give each immediate family memeber of those who died 1 million dollars! That isnt much for a billionare won't put a dent in his budget. He was the owner so it would just be out of respect for the ones who did his dirty work... :twocents:

Nore, is your son Ok now??? Allegheny Hospital is a well-respected facility. My home town was just South of there.

ABC had s special on working in the coal mines tonight--they also did a good interview with the principal owner of ICQ which owns the mine. The owner is hoping the American public will contribute to the dead miner's families--he's a billionaire.and they compared him to a vulture, as he is known for going in on bankrupt companies, and turning them around and then selling them off for huge profits.

 

[Buzz Mills]

He was a real piece of work, wasn't he!? (And I feel I'm being very generous with that remark.)

Since ICG has only owned the mine for a very short time, they might be able to escape legal responsibility, but I hope not. In buying it "as Is" they assumed responsibility for everything. Now for a good team of devoted lawyers to represent the families--they will be battling big money as that owner has a lot of it to defend himself with.

 

[Mygirlsadie]

That just broke my heart. .. also a daughter of one of the miners who died was saying she didnt get a note but today she gets to retrieve her fathers belongings and maybe there would be a note in his lunchbox. I don't know why but when I read 'lunchbox' that just made me feel so sad, I was imagining them with their little lunch boxes probably didnt even get to eat their lunch.. I dont know i'm weird but the littlest things like that really break my heart.

"Tell all I'll see them on the other side," read the note found with the body of 51-year-old mine foreman Martin Toler Jr. "It wasn't bad. I just went to sleep. I love you Jr."

Tom Toler, Martin's older brother who worked 30 years in the mine with him, said Thursday that the note was "written very lightly and very loosely" in block letters on the back of an insurance application form his brother had in his pocket.

"I took it to mean that it was written in the final stages," the brother said. "I'd call it more or less scribbling."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MINE_EXPLOSION?SITE=VAWAY&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&SECTION=HOME