Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #6

[Littledeer]

sadie:

Take her size and her jealousy of Maria & she was Maria's biggest threat. This is all just my opinion of course...

I think you meant to say that Maria was Christina's biggest threat.

I understood what you meant though.

 

[Txlurker]

Here is a chart of the temps for the day/night of the 19th, seems pretty cool/cold to be gardening to me.

http://www.wunderground.com/history...tml?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

 

[murdershewrote]

I also think that Maria went to his house maybe to try to talk to him about giving the baby up for adoption...I believe he would need to sign the papers as well. Seems the conversation with her mother and her going over to his house were a little too close in timing not to be connected. Or maybe he told her to come over so they could talk about it, that that conversation got real heated. Not sure if he intended to kill her beforehand or they just got into the bad fight, but I agree he hit her first with blunt object...and then maybe slit her throat afterwards (although it is possible that the throat thing never did happen).

I just don't get him riding around in her car...that is just plain dumb. And his wife, wouldn't she question where this car came from? She had to have been aware of what happened right from the git-go.

 

[Mygirlsadie]

Ooops! Thank you! :blowkiss:

sadie:



I think you meant to say that Maria was Christina's biggest threat.

I understood what you meant though.

 

[panthera]

One or both of them are control freaks - and as long as you keep everything near - you are "in control"...and you know when the "jig is up" so to speak. And they wanted everyone to believe Maria took off to El PAso - and was NOT dead. They didn't WANT her body found by searchers - and it wouldn't be if it was IN THEIR YARD. So long as everyone thought Maria was "dramatic", "exaggerated", was "unstable" and made stuff up they could keep feeding that lie and prevent any attention from being focused on them - and their "secret". Their needing to be in control and keep everything close to them was their fatal mistake -- thank goodness!

And anyone here wonder how Christina could STAY in that house with her CHILD for one minute??? Blood everywhere, dead burned body under the firepit, dead woman's car in driveway - I would have had so many nightmares I would have been crazy inside a few days! Sorry, but just going on for a MONTH like it's a nice opportunity to clean, landscape and redecorate ISN'T NORMAL!

My Opinion

That is true, by keeping the body in their yard, they were in control of the situation. But then LE got the report Maria was missing and it was a matter of time before they started asking questions, so CL and his wife had to come up with another plan and therefore the note that Maria killed herself, and he takes off. Did he really think LE would believe the suicide?

 

[KR2tonenow]

No, the neighbor said his wife walks their chihuahuas every morning at 6:30 and then gets her daughter up for school. He said she saw Laurean in front of his house when she took the dogs out, but by 8:00 when the daughter left for school, Laurean had already "fleed."

Laurean was a personnel clerk. They do not have a night shift.

How convenient! I thought the DA had said the wife was cooperating, and that she had no involvement in the murder, on Nancy Grace last night.

 

[SuziQ]

So long as everyone thought Maria was "dramatic", "exaggerated", was "unstable" and made stuff up they could keep feeding that lie and prevent any attention from being focused on them - and their "secret". Their needing to be in control and keep everything close to them was their fatal mistake -- thank goodness!
My Opinion

It's apparent to me that at least Cesar and most likely his wife as well, were on a campaign of of harrasment and character assasination towards Maria. Why else would a person not immediately connected to the rape case slug a 6 month pregnant woman? That's the same theory I have as to why Maria's case was handled the way it was. And I'm sure the same group of people are also responsible for giving the impression that Cesar and Maria were on "friendly" terms. There was a battle being waged against Maria and she was on the losing end.

I said before that everyone at that BBQ needs to be looked at closely. This is very sinister to say, but the BBQ almost appears to me like a celebration party...Hoorah, we won!

 

[Mygirlsadie]

and the wife had weeks to concoct a story... Aww I keep thinking of Maria & little Gabriel & Laci & Conner & on & on .....

 

[golfmom]

That is true, by keeping the body in their yard, they were in control of the situation. But then LE got the report Maria was missing and it was a matter of time before they started asking questions, so CL and his wife had to come up with another plan and therefore the note that Maria killed herself, and he takes off. Did he really think LE would believe the suicide?

I hate to say it, but it sounds like just about everyone was taking his side on the rape accusation ... maybe he thought that he really could get away with anything at that point.

 

[panthera]

I also think that Maria went to his house maybe to try to talk to him about giving the baby up for adoption...I believe he would need to sign the papers as well. Seems the conversation with her mother and her going over to his house were a little too close in timing not to be connected. Or maybe he told her to come over so they could talk about it, that that conversation got real heated. Not sure if he intended to kill her beforehand or they just got into the bad fight, but I agree he hit her first with blunt object...and then maybe slit her throat afterwards (although it is possible that the throat thing never did happen).

I just don't get him riding around in her car...that is just plain dumb. And his wife, wouldn't she question where this car came from? She had to have been aware of what happened right from the git-go.

Good point there if his signature was needed for an adoption ~ I hadnt thought of that. I can see how that could've gotten out of hand and one thing led to another. Then both he and his wife had to cover it up afterward, so the bus ticket and making it look like Maria had just taken off. The one thing I'd like to know is just how much driving around in Maria's car he did or was it just to the bus terminal to park it?

 

[SuziQ]

I hate to say it, but it sounds like just about everyone was taking his side on the rape accusation ... maybe he thought that he really could get away with anything at that point.

It had been working for him so far.

 

[murdershewrote]

Well, it's the old "nuts and " rape theory alive and well...either the woman has to be one or the other. Sad to say we haven't come to far.

 

[golfmom]

How convenient! I thought the DA had said the wife was cooperating, and that she had no involvement in the murder, on Nancy Grace last night.

I saw NG last night and it seemed clear to me that the sheriff said she was cooperating, but didn't actually say that she wasn't involved.

 

[panthera]

I hate to say it, but it sounds like just about everyone was taking his side on the rape accusation ... maybe he thought that he really could get away with anything at that point.

I agree as far as that charge was concerned but when Maria was reported missing and local LE got involved that was another matter altogether.

 

[golfmom]

Brown declined to comment when asked if authorities thought Christina Laurean was involved or even aware of her husband's actions. Laurean's wife, Christina, is "heartbroken," said her mother, Debbie Sue Shifflet.

http://www.myfoxny.com/myfox/pages/...n=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.3.1

 

[JDB]

I also think that Maria went to his house maybe to try to talk to him about giving the baby up for adoption...I believe he would need to sign the papers as well. Seems the conversation with her mother and her going over to his house were a little too close in timing not to be connected. Or maybe he told her to come over so they could talk about it, that that conversation got real heated. Not sure if he intended to kill her beforehand or they just got into the bad fight, but I agree he hit her first with blunt object...and then maybe slit her throat afterwards (although it is possible that the throat thing never did happen).

I just don't get him riding around in her car...that is just plain dumb. And his wife, wouldn't she question where this car came from? She had to have been aware of what happened right from the git-go.

This part is easy. All he had to tell Christina is someone on the base was going on leave and did not want to leave the car on the base.


On another thought. Many of you were so sure yesterday he left earlier then what was stated. And that he was in mexico.Which we found out was not correct.An I think if the LE thought Christina was involved in this she would be in custody already.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

The ideas floating around about Maria possibly giving the baby up for adoption. I'm not buying it, it came out the mouth of her adoptive mother, who seems to not even be able to provide an updated pic of Maria as she looks beautifully pregnant. Come on mama's, how many pics did you take of your pregnant daughter? I don't know yet, my 19 isn't married or pregnt.

Not for one second do I believe maria was contemplating give her baby up. Durham, her roomate verified maria's last conversation with her a. mother turned out disagreeable and had upset maria because of what the mother tried to do in talking her into giving the baby up.

The adoptive mother had the problem with maria's pregnancy, not maria, hence why we have noooooooooo pregnancy pics of her. Her friends that already have spoken, her doctor roomate would have already mentioned if this were the case. Most likely even the adoptive parents would have already been picked out. She would have been at least shopping around for some.

This just isn't an option in any of my theories, I don't care for the adoptive mother, I see through her.

 

[Mygirlsadie]

I totally agree with you 100% on that one!! Not one iota of me thinks Maria was even contemplating adoption what so ever! She already had his name picked out and everything! And as for Christina's mother saying Christina is ''heartbroken...pfffft yeah right i'm not buying that either.

The ideas floating around about Maria possibly giving the baby up for adoption. I'm not buying it, it came out the mouth of her adoptive mother, who seems to not even be able to provide an updated pic of Maria as she looks beautifully pregnant. Come on mama's, how many pics did you take of your pregnant daughter? I don't know yet, my 19 isn't married or pregnt.

Not for one second do I believe maria was contemplating give her baby up. Durham, her roomate verified maria's last conversation with her a. mother turned out disagreeable and had upset maria because of what the mother tried to do in talking her into giving the baby up.

The adoptive mother had the problem with maria's pregnancy, not maria, hence why we have noooooooooo pregnancy pics of her. Her friends that already have spoken, her doctor roomate would have already mentioned if this were the case. Most likely even the adoptive parents would have already been picked out. She would have been at least shopping around for some.

This just isn't an option in any of my theories, I don't care for the adoptive mother, I see through her.

 

[lkd-ga]

The ticket to Tx that was supposely purchased by Maria still has me wondering. Why would she want a ticket to Tx. She would not but
Laurean would. Where is the ticket. Did a female plan on using this ticket at some point. This part of the senario just leaves alot of questions. If Laurean
purchased the ticket why would he buy one for Tx knowing that they would be watching the border. Do you think maybe he went in the opposite direction. Maybe Canada.

 

[Littledeer]

Lurker:

Thanks for the temp chart. If I am reading it correctly, the high that day was 55.4. Not that cold for gardening. Obviously, not too cold for Cesar to bury Maria and Gabriel.

Not defending anyone, but if I knew my daughter got raped, and the rape resulted in a pregnancy, I don't think I could so easily say, keep the baby. In my thought process, I would be thinking of what's best for my daughter, not the baby. I would also most likely have brought up the subject of adoption as an alternative to keeping the baby.
Also, Maria did not call her Mom, "adoptive mom", once you are adopted, those people then become your Mom and Dad for life. When talking to someone about the fact you are adopted, you would say, my mom and dad adopted me.

I keep seeing posters refer to Maria's mom as her adoptive mom. And I'm sure that can become quite confusing for other posters who are not up to speed. Look how long it took to determine there was no step-mom.