Missing Cell Phones #2

[NancyA]

If the police knew DB had MW's phone number or that DB's inactive phone called MW's number, they would not have had to do an internet filter and catch her on Craig'sList. LE would have known MW's number immediately as they had DB's number and MW's number would have been in DB's phone record.

As I understand it they had MW's number but were somehow unable to connect it to an address/person until it popped up online in the craigslist ad.

 

[Melanie]

bbm
Neither have the parents but that hasn't stopped the poll and re-re poll. Just sayin. :angel:


I think she and Jersey are involved.

Me too. It just doesn't make sense in my mind that they are not.

MOO

Mel

 

[katshep]

As I understand it they had MW's number but were somehow unable to connect it to an address/person until it popped up online in the craigslist ad.

Got it. She had a prepaid phone for cash with a prepaid card for cash. MW doesn't want to be traced. This gets me rapidly back to spoofing and various other cellphone trickeries. I just doubt that the call was made from DB's phone, it may have been from that number, but maybe it wasn't from DB's phone.

 

[Donjeta]

If the police knew DB had MW's phone number or that DB's inactive phone called MW's number, they would not have had to do an internet filter and catch her on Craig'sList. LE would have known MW's number immediately as they had DB's number and MW's number would have been in DB's phone record.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Of course they had her number. I think they had no name and address attached to that number and that's why they were glad to recognize her number in Craigslist because "Hey, you still got that thingumabob for sale? Where can I come and see it?" is a less threatening way to approach a potential suspect/witness than "This is FBI speaking, who are you and how are you involved in a kidnapping case?"

 

[Donjeta]

Got it. She had a prepaid phone for cash with a prepaid card for cash. MW doesn't want to be traced. This gets me rapidly back to spoofing and various other cellphone trickeries. I just doubt that the call was made from DB's phone, it may have been from that number, but maybe it wasn't from DB's phone.

Why do you think so?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Wright told CNN that she had placed an online advertisement for an electronics item and used the cell phone number called by the Irwin-Bradley cell phone. She said the FBI saw the number and set up a fake appointment to buy the item shortly after baby Lisa went missing, Wright said. That is when the first interview occurred.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/31/ng.01.html

Okay, so this online ad isn't how LE came to have MW's phone number, it is the means by which they tricked her into meeting them for an interview.

 

[Donjeta]

IIRC, his car was broken into. I don't believe DB had MW's phone number written down on her hand. Cops may have used that as an interrogation tactic to have MW spill the beans about her possible connection to the Irwins. She claims she doesn't know them, never met them and never saw Lisa ever. After being questioned 4 times, I would think LE would have something to connect her but so far, nothing as far we know except for Jersey who may have possibly helped the Irwins with yard work or whatever or not.

JVM had the Irwin's neighbor MH on the phone last night and she said she'd seen MW hanging out with another neighbor.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did you ever see him with the woman who was apparently at one point his girlfriend, who says that she got a call from the phone that was stolen at the very same time, reportedly, purportedly that the child was taken from the home?

HURT: Yes. I`ve actually spoken to her, as well. She was often at the neighbor`s house, hanging out with him. And the neighbor had taken her home a couple times. So she was definitely around. I definitely saw her.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And how do you know you saw her? Is it because of her hair color, because she has a distinctive hair color?

HURT: Well, her hair color was different then. But you talk to (INAUDIBLE) you can see the facial -- you know, I`ve seen pictures of her in the media since then. And as soon as I saw her I was, like, That is his girlfriend because I already -- we already knew her name and her age and it all fit. And seeing a picture of her on the news, definitely, it was her. But she has since changed -- I mean, her hair was not pink when she was hanging around at that house.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/31/ng.01.html

I'm thinking that when she was interviewed MW downplayed her familiarity with the neighborhood quite a bit, just saying that she had been through there. But if she was hanging out in the neighborhood often enough to be familiar to one set of neighbors she could be familiar to other neighbors as well, such as the Irwins, or someone who knows them.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Not sure if the mods will allow this to stay on forum, but MW does know someone who knows the teen who had his DNA taken in this case. You can link them via FB.

 

[Hopeful2]

It doesnt make sense that both:
1) DB says her phones were unable to make outgoing calls and
2) She had a phone number written on her hand.

If she had it written on her hand STILL, it would be for immediate use, no?
One of those has to be untrue :banghead:

 

[katshep]

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Of course they had her number. I think they had no name and address attached to that number and that's why they were glad to recognize her number in Craigslist because "Hey, you still got that thingumabob for sale? Where can I come and see it?" is a less threatening way to approach a potential suspect/witness than "This is FBI speaking, who are you and how are you involved in a kidnapping case?"

Of course. Thanks for pointing out my stupidity.

 

[cityslick]

I don't know how credible I find MW, but I find it extremely disturbing that she continues to leak (if true) these details about the investigation with absolutely no comment from LE/FBI. Because of this we're supposed to take everything she says at face value with absolutely nothing to back it up.

 

[Wanting2Help]

does anyone know what Jersey was arrested for? I read it was unrelated to Lisa and from an existing warrant. I might have missed it somewhere...

 

[frankie069]

I cant see Jersey being involved at all. He was cleared anyway. If anything DB and MW are involved and tried setting up Jersey. Easy mark being a homeless man who does work in the neighborhood. Just because MW said that she didnt get that phone call from DB's cell phone doesnt mean she actually didnt. Everyone else has been lying in this case, why not her. I think she got the call. There could also be someone else in that home that DB has ties too other than MW but we dont know that yet, but I really dont think this is Jersey at all. Its set up to look that way.

 

[TobyWong*]

Not sure if the mods will allow this to stay on forum, but MW does know someone who knows the teen who had his DNA taken in this case. You can link them via FB.

I cannot wait for this to open up and we can sleuth all of 'em. IMO I think lots of connections will be made.

 

[Donjeta]

Of course. Thanks for pointing out my stupidity.

I am sorry if I have offended you, it was not my intention and I don't think there are stupid people here.

 

[Abby Normal]

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Of course they had her number. I think they had no name and address attached to that number and that's why they were glad to recognize her number in Craigslist because "Hey, you still got that thingumabob for sale? Where can I come and see it?" is a less threatening way to approach a potential suspect/witness than "This is FBI speaking, who are you and how are you involved in a kidnapping case?"

They got MW's number from D/J phone records. They either couldn't trace the phone because it was prepaid and unregistered, OR they didn't have probable cause to get a court order for MW's information. I would assume they had probable cause in the case of a missing baby, but that's just my perception.

The FBI has no need to scour craigslist and find an indirect way to contact a potential witness if they already have their name/address IMO. They aren't looking for a "gentler" way to break the ice. So it stands to reason that craigslist was a method of finding this individual and figuring out their physical location.

But yes, if they don't know who she/he is- it's better to find them rather than call and let them know they are being tracked. I think that it still affirms one of the two above as reasons they wouldn't have her name and physical location for themselves though. They wouldn't find an indirect way just for the hay of it. IMO it's a clear indication that they did not have her name and location for whatever reason.

 

[Twelve of One]

I don't know how credible I find MW, but I find it extremely disturbing that she continues to leak (if true) these details about the investigation with absolutely no comment from LE/FBI. Because of this we're supposed to take everything she says at face value with absolutely nothing to back it up.

Don't you think it could be possible LE is using her somehow? She seems flaky so I don't think LE would let her know anything valuable that they didn't want the general public to know.

 

[Donjeta]

They got MW's number from D/J phone records. They either couldn't trace the phone because it was prepaid and unregistered, OR they didn't have probable cause to get a court order for MW's information. I would assume they had probable cause in the case of a missing baby, but that's just my perception.

The FBI has no need to scour craigslist and find an indirect way to contact a potential witness if they already have their name/address IMO. They aren't looking for a "gentler" way to break the ice. So it stands to reason that craigslist was a method of finding this individual and figuring out their physical location.

But yes, if they don't know who she/he is- it's better to find them rather than call and let them know they are being tracked. I think that it still affirms one of the two above as reasons they wouldn't have her name and physical location for themselves though. They wouldn't find an indirect way just for the hay of it. IMO it's a clear indication that they did not have her name and location for whatever reason.

ITA, and I didn't mean they wanted to be gentle just to be nice (it doesn't sound like they were nice at all if it's true that they came with the guns pointed at her) but they wanted to get her contact details without tipping her off and giving her a chance to get out of Dodge.

 

[katshep]

I am sorry if I have offended you, it was not my intention and I don't think there are stupid people here.

I was kidding. It was stupid. I didn't think it through that she would be using a prepaid phone and phone card (cash), hence untraceable.

 

[cityslick]

Don't you think it could be possible LE is using her somehow? She seems flaky so I don't think LE would let her know anything valuable that they didn't want the general public to know.

That would be even more disturbing, because that's saying they are using people involved in the case to make statements to the press instead of talking to the press themselves. So either what you said is true or everything she's saying the LE told her is bull.