Missing cell phones

[Turnadot]

BBM

I'm trying to find out if that is in fact true, but having a really hard time. I'll keep looking though and report back if I find anything. If cell companies can differentiate between missed, answered, etc... I'll totally be on board with you.

Very cool of you, IMO.

I'll do some digging too.

 

[Twelve of One]

I could see if she has haphazard living arrangements, lives with other people or stays with friends, her phone could be almost shared property, other people could answer it or use it sometimes. I have a young 20-something niece with that kind of living arrangement, people moving in and out, part-time jobs, carefree existence. Just speculating about how someone could not know who answered their phone.

 

[~n/t~]

BBM

I'm trying to find out if that is in fact true, but having a really hard time. I'll keep looking though and report back if I find anything. If cell companies can differentiate between missed, answered, etc... I'll totally be on board with you.

I'll try to help. I know there was testimony in the Conrad Murray trial about cell phone calls. I'll see if anyone who is following that trial can help us with the question.

 

[Sigh Sister]

I think I found the answer:

While retrospective data kept by cellular carriers for billing purposes may not be very detailed, prospective data can reveal the minute-by-minute location of a mobile device that is not on an active call. Such data would typically be obtained via a court-ordered warrant, for example. Cellular providers tend not to retain retrospective minute-by-minute logs of when each mobile device contacts the tower. However, they do keep records of which tower is in use when a call is initiated or answered. Those records are generally stored for six months to a year.

https://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs2-wire.htm

If I'm understanding this correctly, they can tell if a call was answered based on cell tower?

 

[Sigh Sister]

In other words, if a call is NOT answered the cell tower would not be used. Am I reading this right?

 

[Cazzie]

In other words, if a call is NOT answered the cell tower would not be used. Am I reading this right?

I'm reading that the call would be logged when initiated...and if answered.

 

[Sigh Sister]

I'm reading that the call would be logged when initiated...and if answered.

I read that too. I just was extrapolating from that fact. I guess I should have said if this is true, then it stands to reason that an unanswered call would not "ping" or whatever at the nearest cell tower. Therefore, we CAN deduce that the call was answered, either by a person or voicemail.

 

[Elley Mae]

Silly but I'll say it anyway, I just called hubby's cell, it was 19 seconds later before I could start to leave message. and his greeting is not long.

 

[katshep]

Trying to make sense of MW's nonsense....ok, someone made a call to HER phone from one of the missing phones from the Irwin house, I'm still not clear WHEN this call was made but I'm guessing it was the night in question. Now I'm also guessing that it didn't go to voicemail otherwise there would still BE a voicemail or record of a voicemail for LE to access and there'd be no reason for MW to say she doesn't know who answered her phone because obviously vm answered it - ta da. The 50 seconds suggests to me not a misdial or pocket dial but that whoever had possession of the phone actually dialed that number or misdialled another number close to it. Since 50 seconds also seems to me a long time to establish a wrong number I don't think it was a wrong number - so for 50 second the person who dialled the number had a conversation with whoever answered the phone. As to who that was well, unless MW lives in a household with dozens of people and generally leaves her phone lying around so any of those dozens of people might pick it up and answer it, the field of possible people who took that call must be pretty narrow and, to me, it's logical to assume that the person who called that number would be expecting to talk to MW herself not some random housemate otherwise they'd call the random housemate's phone wouldn't they? I think MW took the call from someone she knew - be that someone in the Irwin household OR someone who had been in the Irwin house and taken their phones I don't know.....which can be added to the long list of things I don't know.

OK, I just previewed my post and even I can't follow my own reasoning, it's as clear as mud - if anyone else can make sense of what I'm thinking please do me the kindness of explaining while I get some more coffee.

I understand it perfectly. The problem with her lame story is that it is not credible unless she can prove her phone was lost or stolen prior to October
4. I think maybe she was scripted by LE for some reason and leaked to the press. Then, maybe she's a whack job who made up the whole story as a prank for attention. I mean what other reason for hair like that?

 

[Turnadot]

So I called my cell phone company and told them I was concerned about my privacy, etc. They connected me with someone in the know. Basically he said that if I make a call, the cell tower it hit is logged. Voice mails and missed calls are not. If I answer my cell, it's also logged, and that information is not available to any LEA without a warrant.

He could have been talking out of his behind though, and I might have missed what he was trying to say, because he sounded busy and was talking fast.

Also, I'm in Switzerland, so it may be different in the USA.

 

[Donjeta]

I didn't realize that a cell company could tell if a call was answered. I do know you can tell from looking at the actual phone (at least with mine) if it was a missed call.....that is if I didn't delete the missed call.

It must be technologically possible for the cell company to tell if the call is answered or not because my cell phone provider does not charge me for missed calls, just those that were answered or went to voicemail.

 

[ela_ss teacher]

Jumping in on the tail end here & this probably has already been dissected to the nth degree... but here is my growing list of things that make no sense:

1. HOW was it determined that the call came from the missing phones without the phones? Phone records from the missing phone? Pink hair lady?

2. If Pink hair lady was the one to report the call, HOW did she know to report the call?? I mean who among us hasn't received a wrong number call at some ungodly hour at some time or another and didn't think twice about it?

3. How in the heck can you not know who answered your phone??

4. If someone random answered your phone, the caller would have still been calling for the owner of the phone, right? Maybe? ORRR if this phone was the "house phone" then like someone mentioned above, there should be a rather small pool of people from which to choose who answered the phone.

5. Based on what PHL said- and I listened a few times as well as read the transcripts, it sounds like the phone DID NOT go to voicemail. WHYYY didn't the reporter ask her if the call was actually answered?? Who wouldn't ask that?

Everyday I say I'm not going to follow this case anymore, and everyday I find myself logging on and reading, reading, reading... *sigh*

 

[Sigh Sister]

It must be technologically possible for the cell company to tell if the call is answered or not because my cell phone provider does not charge me for missed calls, just those that were answered or went to voicemail.

I found confirmation of this. I posted excerpt and link from what I found.

 

[Donjeta]

I read that too. I just was extrapolating from that fact. I guess I should have said if this is true, then it stands to reason that an unanswered call would not "ping" or whatever at the nearest cell tower. Therefore, we CAN deduce that the call was answered, either by a person or voicemail.

I thought your cell has to ping at the tower in order for you to be able to make a call, otherwise it wouldn't be transmitted to the other phone that you're trying to call.

ETA: Imo the link above means that the ping records are stored longer if it's a ping connected to a call, not that the phone wouldn't ping if the call is not answered.

If your phone rings, it's pinging, whether or not you answer it IMO.

 

[Nannn]

OK, I just previewed my post and even I can't follow my own reasoning, it's as clear as mud - if anyone else can make sense of what I'm thinking please do me the kindness of explaining while I get some more coffee.

I just have to "lol" at this because I have a few posts of my own that make me feel the same way and then I have to decide after all the typing, should I actually submit..

 

[Sigh Sister]

So I called my cell phone company and told them I was concerned about my privacy, etc. They connected me with someone in the know. Basically he said that if I make a call, the cell tower it hit is logged. Voice mails and missed calls are not. If I answer my cell, it's also logged, and that information is not available to any LEA without a warrant.

He could have been talking out of his behind though, and I might have missed what he was trying to say, because he sounded busy and was talking fast.

Also, I'm in Switzerland, so it may be different in the USA.

Yep! I found confirmation of this. See my post up thread. :seeya:

I'm on board now!

 

[Nana46]

By the time this is over we will all be able to work for a cell phone company as we will have learned the ins and outs of pings, etc.,LOL.:rocker::floorlaugh:

 

[Sigh Sister]

I thought your cell has to ping at the tower in order for you to be able to make a call, otherwise it wouldn't be transmitted to the other phone that you're trying to call.

I said "ping or whatever" because I don't know how the cell companies are able to tell that a phone was answered, just that they can. Cell phones are always pinging from what I understand. But they must do something different when a call is placed or answered? Or maybe they just ping a lot when a call is placed or answered? IDK..... I'm giving myself a headache!

 

[Cazzie]

By the time this is over we will all be able to work for a cell phone company as we will have learned the ins and outs of pings, etc.,LOL.:rocker::floorlaugh:

Heck...many will be able to get jobs in LE as well...

 

[Evan's Mom]

I understand it perfectly. The problem with her lame story is that it is not credible unless she can prove her phone was lost or stolen prior to October
4. I think maybe she was scripted by LE for some reason and leaked to the press. Then, maybe she's a whack job who made up the whole story as a prank for attention. I mean what other reason for hair like that?

Please don't judge someone by their hair color.
My hair is close to that same color. I'm not a whack job, I work full time, have two kids in college and one still in high school, pay my bills and am overall, pretty dadgum functional for the most part.
I colored my hair bright fushia like that in support of October being Breast Cancer Awareness month. After Halloween, I'll either go back to a normal color or do something else fun with it.