Missing cell phones

[mlc9852]

I know SY has said there is unidentified DNA in the house.Police have very good reason to suspect another person in that house that night and if DB was concious she knows who was there. That has got to be one of the major reasons the boys are being interviewed and swabbed. That would explain the need to interview the parents separately. I think the reason DB was not forthcoming about the wine initially is that she's not supposed to be drinking and did not want to tell her husband--people who drink are not usually honest with those who think they have a drinking problem.
One other thing: dead bodies do not just disappear. There is evidence of death all around when there is a death scene. MOO

Except JI has said he is always home at night but this one particular night when he did the side job and DB said to MK that she drinks 2 or 3 times a week (IIRC), so JI would know she drinks.

 

[In da Middle]

Its my belief (moo) that LE was looking for 'stolen' cell phones at the Irwin home. They searched the grounds both with metal detectors, and by hand...for something. Searching the roof, gutters, in the ring of homages under the flag pole, etc. Obviously not a search for the baby in those instances or with a metal detector.

In comes the MW call received info.

Putting two and two together, I think the cell phone call to MW pinged from the Irwin home.


A ping is generated when a call is initiated. A ping was obviously generated when the Bradley/Irwin stolen phone initiated a call to MW phone. So LE knows where that phone was at the time the call was initiated.

This could be a larger part of why LE is still so focused on DB. DB did say in an interview with JJP that the phones couldn't dial out...and she stated unequivacally that she knows that ...because she tried! (they replayed this bit again last night on JJP)

Unless someone paid the bill unbeknownst to DB....then DB lied when she said she tried to call out on them and they wouldn't call out. JMO Now...why would she have lied about that?

BBM or VERY close.

 

[Tuffy]

Sure this has been brought up, but

Why would you 'reprogram' numbers into a phone which will not allow you to CALL those numbers?Just sayin'.............

I might, if I was bored and was planning on having them activated soon. But from all accounts it doesn't sound like DB was bored that night. Gotta go buy booze, hang out outside drinking, while 4 very little kids are in your house. Doesn't sound like someone with time to kill, to me. IMO

 

[panthera]

BBM or VERY close.

I believe so also. I wish we knew, however, when the phone(s) last pinged, and from where.

MOO

 

[mrye4709]

Pings aren't so exact that they can pinpoint inside a house vs. down the street. Usually you hear there is at least a square mile space where the call could have been placed. So really, there's no way a ping could place the call inside the home, vs. down the street or even a mile away.

IIRC somone here posted that their phone was stolen and the company traced it to a particular house and they knocked on the door and did get their phone back. I think it was here somewhere :waitasec: Maybe the person who posted will confirm???

 

[In da Middle]

Sure this has been brought up, but

Why would you 'reprogram' numbers into a phone which will not allow you to CALL those numbers?Just sayin'.............

Because you plan on activating it or to purchase prepaid minutes?

 

[Geralyn]

Pings aren't so exact that they can pinpoint inside a house vs. down the street. Usually you hear there is at least a square mile space where the call could have been placed. So really, there's no way a ping could place the call inside the home, vs. down the street or even a mile away.

Just one instance:

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...gs_to_zero_in_on_fugitive_in_amber_alert.html

At 10:37 a.m., Chehalis police faxed an initial request for an Amber Alert, then faxed a second one at 10:53 a.m.

At 11:25 a.m. an alert was issued, with broadcasts on radio and television stations and on media websites, blogs and highway reader boards.

At 1:55 p.m., Sprint agreed to turn over Reed's cell phone coordinates.

At 2:04 p.m., the first ping came in, placing Reed inside a Fred Meyer on Washington 410 in Bonney Lake.

Chehalis police alerted the Bonney Lake Police Department. Several pings later, police tracked Reed to the parking lot and then to Washington 410, ending with his arrest near the Fred Meyer.

 

[Curious Me]

I wish someone would ask MW if she has been around the house since this blew up in the media. I wonder if she happen to be part of a group of people outside watching the investigation. Perhaps she was caught on raw video taking an interest in the case.

 

[Sigh Sister]

Just one instance:

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...gs_to_zero_in_on_fugitive_in_amber_alert.html

At 10:37 a.m., Chehalis police faxed an initial request for an Amber Alert, then faxed a second one at 10:53 a.m.

At 11:25 a.m. an alert was issued, with broadcasts on radio and television stations and on media websites, blogs and highway reader boards.

At 1:55 p.m., Sprint agreed to turn over Reed's cell phone coordinates.

At 2:04 p.m., the first ping came in, placing Reed inside a Fred Meyer on Washington 410 in Bonney Lake.

Chehalis police alerted the Bonney Lake Police Department. Several pings later, police tracked Reed to the parking lot and then to Washington 410, ending with his arrest near the Fred Meyer.

That's sounds more like the phone had GPS.

 

[Geralyn]

Sure this has been brought up, but

Why would you 'reprogram' numbers into a phone which will not allow you to CALL those numbers?Just sayin'.............

I'm still not clear on why one would have to re-enter phone numbers into a phone for which service is just restricted due to non-pay? Surely I've missed some info on this along the way. I'll try to find the original statements I guess. I just don't get the connection to the numbers having been wiped out (?) of the phone, thus needing reprogramming in...in conjunction with delayed service for payment.

 

[mrye4709]

Bingo!

I have many questions about the witness of said sighting, i've seen some things that make me question the married witnesses. I guess those things can't be discussed here, though, since they are not suspects?

 

[Geralyn]

IIRC somone here posted that their phone was stolen and the company traced it to a particular house and they knocked on the door and did get their phone back. I think it was here somewhere :waitasec: Maybe the person who posted will confirm???

Yep...and some smart phones have GPS. Also some have the the "locaton of/off" feature, and sometimes the phone owner doesn't even realize they have the location on feature..on!

 

[Sigh Sister]

IIRC somone here posted that their phone was stolen and the company traced it to a particular house and they knocked on the door and did get their phone back. I think it was here somewhere :waitasec: Maybe the person who posted will confirm???

I know someone who found where his son was because of his phone. (He was somewhere he wasn't supposed to be) A lot of phones have GPS now.

 

[jadejazzkayla]

I would think that since none of those phones are supposed to have the ability for outgoing calls (broken/restricted service/no service) that any calls made on those phones would be significant. MOO

do you have a link that states the lent phone is not supposed to have the ability for an outgoing call?


i have not read an article or seen a video that states the phone lent to the parents did not have the ability to be used.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

When thinking about this 2:30ish am phone call, remember that it directly contradicts the 12:15am witness sighting with man carrying diaper clad baby on next street over. Unless we are to believe that the abductor was in an area "very near" to the Irwin home for at least 2 hours after the abduction.

MOO

Just jumping off your post here. Do we really even know when she was "abducted"? What time? Can we assume it was after 10:30? Or could it have been earlier than that while mom was outside and the "abductor" went out the back way? Well no, maybe because that brings in the question of the front window being tampered with.

Or we can go the other way. Instead of being abducted - we could assume she died. So, was she kept in the area for 2 or so hours after she died? Quite possibly. If an accident it could have been a while before she was discovered.

The snippets we've gotten only tell us that there was "activity" in the area - either by phone pings, phone calls, dumpster fires, witness sightings of a man with a baby, etc. etc.

I would like to know what time Lisa left that area? I'm pretty sure it was before 3:30 AM and I'll go further to say I think it was sometime between 2:00AM and 3:30AM - but that's JMHO.

 

[Geralyn]

That's sounds more like the phone had GPS.

What I was saying to the poster who said a phone/pings can't be pinpointed...not all phones are created equal, nor are all services. We don't know (to my knowledge) what the Bradley/Irwins had in this case...be it their own or the borrowed phone. Therefore we cannot say that their phones couldn't have been pinged to their home or yard. jat

 

[madge]

the phones are just more curious and curious. We know there were 3 phones., one of which was perhaps given to Deborah by her father just a day or so before the incident. If she was putting all of the info from both her and Jeremy's info into that particular phone then perhaps the phone # to the red head was on Jeremy's.

 

[panthera]

I'm still not clear on why one would have to re-enter phone numbers into a phone for which service is just restricted due to non-pay? Surely I've missed some info on this along the way. I'll try to find the original statements I guess. I just don't get the connection to the numbers having been wiped out (?) of the phone, thus needing reprogramming in...in conjunction with delayed service for payment.

IIRC, one of the original statements regarding the phones was that the one which belonged to DB was "broken" (non-functional) and she had been lent one belonging to a family member; and that is where the reprogramming statements came from, in that she was reprogramming information from her phone into this "borrowed" phone. I would assume by this information that a SIM card for the relative's phone had been removed, therefore DB would need to insert hers, which also lends to my confusion over the reprogramming. Wouldn't DB's personal information be on the SIM card (assuming there was one)? And if the relative's phone didn't use a SIM card how would DB be able to reprogram it?

:waitasec:

 

[Sigh Sister]

What I was saying to the poster who said a phone/pings can't be pinpointed...not all phones are created equal, nor are all services. We don't know (to my knowledge) what the Bradley/Irwins had in this case...be it their own or the borrowed phone. Therefore we cannot say that their phones couldn't have been pinged to their home or yard. jat

Got it! But can we assume that if the phones had GPS, they must have been turned off after "pinging" at or near their home or they would have been able to find them and/or Lisa? Or does GPS work even if the phone is off? If that's the case, we can guess they didn't have phones with GPS. Ok, I'm turning my brain into a pretzel again. Does this even make sense?

 

[EarlyT79]

Originally Posted by Mountain_Kat

Personally, I never bought the "programming the phones" routine. I think she needed to come up with a reason why JI's phone would be in the home if he wasn't. Don't believe all 3 were conveniently sitting on the counter just waiting on this mysterious kidnapper/phone snatcher either.

JMO

3 phones, reprogramming, revamping, out of service ? the night Lisa vanishes. The phones are in this but how?