Missing doctor found dead in rafters after 22 years

[Mygirlsadie]

No I never had nose surgery lol...Its just what they use to spray the fields around here..I think they use manure. The Americans around here are the only ones who complain about the smell I think the Germans are just used to the smell since they were born and raised here... Like I said I am not trying to be rude at all but it does smell pretty stinky alot of the times.

Hello Mygirlsadie,

You wrote:
>>Seriously she might not of noticed the smell because this whole country stinks like poo all the time anyway<<

Wait a minute now, you are talking about the beautiful country of my forefathers Poo? It stinks like poo? Now don't get me wrong, but I think you might need a nasal clean up...there might be something stuck in there (my son had a piece of drainage tubing left in his head after a nose surgery, the thing made him think something smelled bad all the time, you haven't had a nose surgery have you?)

At anyrate, even if a place smells like poo...that doesn't mean that "sensible" noses won't have other smells waft through, does it? Me thinks that someone figured out how to "defeat the smells" and I don't think it was a suicidal person who did.

Nah...there is something wrong here, but what is it?.

SadieMae wrote:
>>So by "falsified", do they mean forgeries? Like it wasn't his handwriting I'm assuming. I still can't get over not cleaning up the birdhouse in 22 years....you're right, stinky schnitzel! If he left letters, he wanted his body to be found shortly after his death.<<

Seems like there is a question about forgery of the note. Also seems like a suicide note would be left somewhere more "findable."

Hey...we have two "sadies" here? What up with that? Are you two sadies related?

But... Think about it, the law comes to look and can't find his body... Now if they had something to do with it during the politics of the time, how clever to not find the body (when they knew where they put it, if they had anything to do with it.) Who would EVER think to look there again?

I'm going back to the "look" of that VERY nice house, no small streudel. Who was paying this doctor, and for what, and why oh why is his last name "B" only? Weird. What does that B stand for, and why is only an initial being used.

There was something in one of the articles that intimated that back then doctors were able to get about and "talk to people" (they were treating people, so they could be good messengers that might scoot under police radar?) SO...if this fellow was blabbing to help people stick together for some future force, perhaps one of his patients ratted on him and got his weiner schnitzeled

I think that this case could become VERY interesting. I'd like to see someone come out of the closet and expose the truth. It seems that the neighbors had seen some things, do they just get ignored? My bet is that many people saw many things back then, but dared not say it for fear. NO ONE opens their mouth much when they live in a place like that was at one time. Everything is quite secretive or you end up, in the words of Popeye, "Diskappearin!" Actually...this isn't funny, my mother lived through something like that, and had friends who just suddenly disappeared, never to be heard from again. So so sad.

W

 

[deanws]

That's what I mean Wrinkles.
. I mean I once drank too much Peach Schnapps and thought I was dying.:sick: :doh:

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[Spazkat9696]

Weird. That's all just Weird.

 

[Wrinkles]

Hello Luthersmama,

You wrote:
>>The use of only his last initial is common in respectable European newspapers. They are more protective of the privacy of folks. It isn't strange at all.<<

Not that I doubt what you say, but only looking for some proof of this in German newspapers. I found the use of only the "last initial" in this situation to be quite odd, you say it is quite typical due to privacy. What you have written rings true, but I was just looking to see some back up newspaper articles for support of what you wrote.

Can you help me to some German news articles where they deal with such as a murder, violent crime etc. where the person's last initial is all that is used? I'd sure appreciate it.

W

 

[luthersmama]

Hello Luthersmama,

You wrote:
>>The use of only his last initial is common in respectable European newspapers. They are more protective of the privacy of folks. It isn't strange at all.<<

Not that I doubt what you say, but only looking for some proof of this in German newspapers. I found the use of only the "last initial" in this situation to be quite odd, you say it is quite typical due to privacy. What you have written rings true, but I was just looking to see some back up newspaper articles for support of what you wrote.

Can you help me to some German news articles where they deal with such as a murder, violent crime etc. where the person's last initial is all that is used? I'd sure appreciate it.

W

Scroll down to item 8.1 regarding the use of names and photographs:

http://ethics.iit.edu/codes/coe/german.press.council.html

There was much discussion of this, perhaps not on this forum but on others, during the early stages of the Natalee Holloway case. One of the things that just baffled the Dutch and Arubans was the public identification of individuals involved in the case. To publish the full name of a person under investigation is just unheard of.

 

[Lanie]

I spent several years in Germany as a child, and yes, for several months out of the year, it does smell like poo. We lived in a very nice neighborhood, unfortunately at the edge of town right next to either asparagus or rutabaga fields, and they do use manure, and I believe at that time (70's) I heard they possibly used human waste. The smell is overwhelming, and there is no escaping it.
That being said, I agree this story stinks to high heaven!!

 

[luthersmama]

Hello Luthersmama,

You wrote:
>>The use of only his last initial is common in respectable European newspapers. They are more protective of the privacy of folks. It isn't strange at all.<<

Not that I doubt what you say, but only looking for some proof of this in German newspapers. I found the use of only the "last initial" in this situation to be quite odd, you say it is quite typical due to privacy. What you have written rings true, but I was just looking to see some back up newspaper articles for support of what you wrote.

Can you help me to some German news articles where they deal with such as a murder, violent crime etc. where the person's last initial is all that is used? I'd sure appreciate it.

W

Here's an example from the same magazine:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,460176,00.html

The suspect's last name isn't given - just his initial. If you read other articles in the same issue about embarrasing things (drunk caught in window) and crimes (thief pretended to be mannequin) they don't give any names at all. Just "the 38 year old man" or something.

 

[luthersmama]

It would be interesting to know what the weather was like. It would have been fairly cold. If there was a really cold snap, he might have "freeze dried" over the course of a few weeks. Then there would be less smell.

 

[kgeaux]

I, too, am intrigued that there was no odor detected----not by the wife who parked there, and not by searchers. That's very odd.

Is anyone else wondering if perhaps he ROLLED himself up in the quilt/asbestos to "stifle" the odor?

I'm having trouble understanding about the notes.....they were "later falsified?" What does that mean? Did he write the notes or not?

As an aside: I sure hope it wasn't REAL asbestos they are talking about. My brother in law died of mesothelioma two years ago, and my God, I wouldn't wish that fate on anyone, much less the workmen who were waving it around!

PS, maybe they are using only his last initial to preserve some privacy for the wife?

 

[Wrinkles]

Hello Luthersmama,

Thanks so much. That certainly helps in understanding the last initial, but now I am curious why any name at all.

Additionally, I become confounded why they would publish a photo of the home - which seems to breach a privacy. I don't recall which articles had the photo, but someone knew the address. It might have made more sense to publish a photo of the garage and dovecote, which might have helped understand some things. At the same time, if it was hidden behind the house, perhaps it would have been less of a breach of privacy while focussing upon where the man's body was found.

Now then... I wonder how anyone would identify the man or the situation to come forward with information if they had any.

I sure appreciate your help with attaching that article.

W

 

[luthersmama]

I, too, am intrigued that there was no odor detected----not by the wife who parked there, and not by searchers. That's very odd.

Is anyone else wondering if perhaps he ROLLED himself up in the quilt/asbestos to "stifle" the odor?

I'm having trouble understanding about the notes.....they were "later falsified?" What does that mean? Did he write the notes or not?

As an aside: I sure hope it wasn't REAL asbestos they are talking about. My brother in law died of mesothelioma two years ago, and my God, I wouldn't wish that fate on anyone, much less the workmen who were waving it around!

PS, maybe they are using only his last initial to preserve some privacy for the wife?

I saw somewhere that they thought he might have poisoned himself. If he used warfarin, which is prescribed to thin blood in humans but is also the primary ingredient in rat poison, then drank himself into a stupor, the warfarin would have caused him to sort of dessicate.

 

[Wrinkles]

Hiya Gang,

Luthersmama, could have been cold. I just looked again...that was May, it didn't say at what time in May (I don't think.) I also tried to look up the altitude of the city (Bergholz-Rehbrücke). The Wikipedia page is in German, ugh, I wish I could read it. I did find what appears to be an altitude of about 34 meters, about 111 feet. The city is towards the north of Germany, and doesn't appear to be terribly far from the sea to the north (at about 100-150 miles). The latitude is about the same as Amsterdam or Birmingham (UK), which is north of London. I haven't been to Europe for quite a few years, but my guess is that it could have been quite cold in May at that latitude. I just don't know that it would have been "freeze dry" cold. I was thinking that if the city was at a high altitude, maybe freeze dry cold...

But thinking... It seems that one of the articles that I read mentioned something about horses, or where the horses were kept...in reference to the garage. That reminded me of a circumstance in Europe, visiting friends in a country neighboring Germany. The house at the front was huge, like the one in the picture. In the back, reasonable enough distance from the house, were long stables, probably very nice at one time, about 2 or 3 stories tall (2 floors and a high roof) as you looked at them and if I am remembering correctly. The lower floor, the stables, had been converted to garages for renting out. The upper floor, above the stables, was converted to living space (homes or apartments, if you will.) It seems to me that there was still quite a height of roof over that upper floor.

If I picture the place I visited and think of that picture of the man's home (something like a manor house of sorts, certainly not a small apartment), perhaps they once had a very formal set of stables like I saw AND a nice sized and high dovecote. That would have put his body quite high above a converted garage? NOW then...if they did have their garage next to actual stables housing horses, perhaps there was a dung smell. It is hard to tell what type of setting that house is in, i.e. is it surrounded by land or by other buildings. It definitely has some land to one side of it.

Kgeaux, your point is well made about the searchers not smelling anything as they purposely went looking. But how soon did the searchers begin after he was missing? Was it still icy cold that May?

And Kgeaux my condolences at the loss of your brother in law. The memory is probably still very fresh to you

Luthersmama, he could have poisoned himself. As a doctor, surely he would have had things available to do almost anything to make things easier on himself in a suicide, IF it was a suicide. But then...the note, why have it near his body, hidden away, instead of on a desk in his office, or at his home?

Ultimately, IF this was a murder, and not a suicide, we may never know. The regime the man was under was only 20 or so years ago. Who of those that might be responsible will speak up? If this was a murder, there are likely those who were involved that are still living and maybe quite nearby to the man's wife.

W

 

[luthersmama]

The article I read said March rather than May. March could be quite cold.

 

[dufresnecw]

But then...the note, why have it near his body, hidden away, instead of on a desk in his office, or at his home?

W

If it was a suicide, he may have put the note next to his body with the intentions that someone would find him before 22 years.

Maybe he felt that if he put the note on a desk that he might be found before he accomplished the "deed".

 

[JanetElaine]

The article I read said March rather than May. March could be quite cold.

The winter of 1984/1985 was very cold in that area. From 1901 until now this winter is listed as the 8th coldest winter. Temperatures were around 30-32F in March.

Sources are in Dutch but are:
http://www.knmi.nl/klimatologie/lijsten/hellmann.html
http://www.vandehakopdetak.nl/geschiedenis/1985.htm

 

[CaliKid]

But to be mummified, wouldn't you need hot, dry weather?

 

[Gina_M]

Some mummies are preserved wet, some are frozen, and some are dried.
The Egyptian climate lent itself well to the mummification process, being both very hot and dry.

More interesting stuff at link:

http://www.egyptartsite.com/mummy.html

Looks like hot and dry weather helps, but the body can also be frozen.