• #841
no one knew susie and stacy were going to be there.

According to Janis, Suzie was asking several people to spend the night at her house with her that night before Stacy accepted. Several people knew from those parties. Driving by the house and seeing their cars is also a possibility.
 
  • #842
jan/feb 1992.
The Greene County Recorder's office notes that both the Contract and the Warranty Deed were dated 03/02/1992. You can look up either of them here.
  • Contract Doc # 007387-92
  • Warranty Deed Doc # 041788-92
It would have been very rare to allow them to take possession a month or two prior to having the transaction finalized.
 
  • #843
April on Charley Project but conflicting information all over the internet. Either way, that's pretty recent that a bunch of movers were hoisting furniture into the house likely for hours. Was moving company involved? The furniture had to be plastered in (potentially) total strangers' fingerprints. am seeing prints can be lifted off furniture for like decades. There had to be random prints all over the house with a moving company. The scope of non-relevant fingerprints left in that house had to be stupefying. And the waterbed, too. Arguably, LE doesn't know at that point what would be "relevant" versus "non-relevant."

Is it a certainty that Sherrill actually hired a mover for the house move? Or was it just more informal with people volunteering, maybe people Sherrill had met as clients could have been involved? Because there's a scary thought. Client that helped move the person into the new house-- same client pops up at person's doorstep at an odd hour at same new house bearing a graduation gift. Someone in and out of town every so often, perhaps, never knows when he'll be around. But I doubt he actually helped on the move, found an excuse. But perhaps he'd been asked, which gave him some information.

Would she answer? I think a lot of people in her shoes might, don't want to alienate a client & bad for business. If he "couldn't" help, well, she may feel even more obligated to answer. If he did help, does he know in that scenario his fingerprints will potentially be useless to LE, even if he actually left them? Yes, because he may have been an out-of-towner that came to the salon as a walk-in, he may not even have furnished his real name, they're not carding at the hair salon. Bass Pro Shop Outdoor World became a major tourist attraction there in the area when it opened in 1981, the Gradaddy of All Outdoor Stores. They see the most traffic in the holiday mos and peak summer vacation season. Hunter's paradise, evidently boaters, too. 9 mins away via Glenstone and Sunshine, and I believe Sherrill's salon was on Sunshine. They hold a World Fishing Fair, first 1988, sources are saying there was one in 1992, in this rough timeframe this event would draw a couple hundred thousand people. Traditionally, the dates are late March through early April for that event. Fishing tackle and boats figure prominently.

Still tend to think out of town because I think someone local would have crumbled by now. Someone would have talked or given himself away, but jmo. This theoretical perp lacks the obvious local connection, and this person, provided he exists-- going forward he had more victims, just too clean and neat and slick. If he got away with this, like he'd stop? Speculation.
i agree. after 30 yrs no bodies ever found. like you said, clean. neat and slick.
 
  • #844
The Greene County Recorder's office notes that both the Contract and the Warranty Deed were dated 03/02/1992. You can look up either of them here.
  • Contract Doc # 007387-92
  • Warranty Deed Doc # 041788-92
It would have been very rare to allow them to take possession a month or two prior to having the transaction finalized.
this fits. levitt and streeter probably moved in shortly after transaction was finalized. just like i said, feb 1992.
 
  • #845
detective asher does not come across a very good investigator. he thinks the perp knocked at levitt door holding cinammon the dog to gain access. if anything levitt would be more suspicious of a mystery man knocking at her door in the early morning hours holding cinammon in his arms.
Who knows, she might fling the door open just to get the dog inside safely. But where'd he get the dog? Out of the yard? Now perp's trotting up to the well-lit front porch with the dog? So he can muscle in as the dog is handed off? So there could be barking, screaming, a scuffle right on the lit porch? Too much of a risk for him, jmo. While I think that house could be very problematic in terms of an intruder, I can't picture someone with sinister motives trotting up to the front door. He might do the carport door, but no matter how freaked out Sherrill might be by the dog being out there with a stranger, I think she'd be equally freaked out by some guy showing up at that carport door (even more so with the back door). Would probably wonder, you know, why are you arriving at these doors, why not the front door? And he knows that's a possibility and probably won't risk it.

No way I'm ruling out an intruder on this. No signs of forced entry doesn't translate into no forced entry for me. There's nothing in that house for LE to use to even try and ascertain (with anything resembling certainty) what happened there. Whoever did this is just beyond the pale scary because he knew exactly what to do to throw them. Something earth-shattering took place in that house and there's not a trace of anything. I don't believe anything major took place outside, it was all in that house, but that's jmo. Whoever did that... he's terrifying. I do think it's probably a solo actor, not necessarily, but there's a close bond if anyone else was involved. I was reading that these perps are on a contiuum, some are more preoccupied with committing the crime than getting away with it. This one-- there's no doubt where this one would fall on the continuum. Self-preservation was a top priority. Anything that would trigger significant risk for him will dissuade him, jmo. He knew that house had multiple entry points. He knows it's dark there. He knows the layout of the immediate area, incredibly little chance of witnesses if he's careful. He knows it's graduation night, chaos reigns and he might be clever enough to exploit it. He knows the dog's routine. He knows there are two attractive women in the house. If Suzie and Sherrill ordered pizza that day (which is what I read), he knows it's more likely than not there won't be any more visitors there later. And as long as we're mentioning him at the door holding Cinnamoon, what about him showing up announcing delivery at the door holding a pizza box-- probably with an actual pizza in it-- and saying someone had gifted them with delivery, no charge for graduation. So just open the door for your free pizza... Oh, but a tip...?? Have to get the purse, hold on a minute, with the door open, and Mr. Innocent Pizza Guy just hanging there, not really drawing a ton of attention??

Anything's possible I guess that's also possible, but I just don't think so. That globe broken on the porch, they had to sweep the glass, don't think the glass was just a coincidence. Think that was part of how perp got in, but don't think he muscled his way in. He may have, but I tend to doubt it. It's distressing, too much is possible in that case.
i agree with some of what you say. that fact that they never found the bodies of levitt, streeter and mccall is scary. i was looking at other cases that were single abductions, double and triple abductions, and the cases i looked up and read about were all sex crimes, but in all the cases the victims were found.
 
  • #846
  • #847
i agree with some of what you say. that fact that they never found the bodies of levitt, streeter and mccall is scary. i was looking at other cases that were single abductions, double and triple abductions, and the cases i looked up and read about were all sex crimes, but in all the cases the victims were found.
Think the actual sex act can be subordinate to violence and murder. Looking it up, they call it "lust murder." So there'd be no escalation from SA to murder. Violence/murder was the primary aim from the beginning but there is a sexual element to it. Seeing that this type's likely to take "souvenirs."
 
  • #848
A random creep showing up and somehow gaining entry inside the house to do harm to Sherrill is going to panic the second he sees two cars pulling into the driveway. He would have no idea who those people are in the cars. And once he saw Suzie and Stacy, why not immediately meet them in the living room at gunpoint or with Sherrill at gunpoint to remove them from the house?

I just can't come up with someone (outside of someone known to them and who they seemingly either trusted or believed to be harmless) unknown to the women who they would have opened the door for other than a police officer.
 
  • #849
A random creep showing up and somehow gaining entry inside the house to do harm to Sherrill is going to panic the second he sees two cars pulling into the driveway. He would have no idea who those people are in the cars. And once he saw Suzie and Stacy, why not immediately meet them in the living room at gunpoint or with Sherrill at gunpoint to remove them from the house?

I just can't come up with someone (outside of someone known to them and who they seemingly either trusted or believed to be harmless) unknown to the women who they would have opened the door for other than a police officer.
Based on the scene he left behind in comparison to the magnitude of his presence there (three women never seen since), this person would be so dangerous that not much is going to make him panic. In theory, he's very controlled, and he doesn't take a lot of risks. He'd know what was coming. If he couldn't guess with reasonable certainty who might be pulling in the driveway, he wouldn't be there. And I can't imagine Stacy calling her mother to tell her about the change in plans, and then both Stacy and Suzie heading over to the other mother's home without giving her any notice at all. So I think it's a pretty good guess that they called and left a message on that machine, and he heard it.

If that creepy obscene call later was actually made by him to the residence, that was his calling card to let everyone know he was doing anything but panicking at that point, too. I'd say that aside from the sadism, that call had some practical/logistical purpose behind it as well, but would need to know more about the particulars of how the answering machine in that house worked to know what it might be, and it's only a guess. And it's always possible this perp had one of the early cell phone bricks. Reading now about whether you'd be able to get the equivalent of a "burner" phone back then, yes, just barely in terms of timing with the technology, and expensive.

Was reading about these "lust killers" and here's what I saw: Organized nonsocial offenders are educated planners. They don't care about social norms. They're narcissistic and self-centered but will be friendly & amiable when it suits them. In other words, socially adept-- but at the same time antisocial. They generally leave a clean crime scene, but might take a trophy. They show a lot of interest in media coverage of their crimes. They’re methodical and cunning and basically enjoy committing their crimes.

And I can picture this particular perp being a hunter and talking about his hunting experiences often. He uses a legitimate interest to mask his violent fantasy life. Could it be someone they knew? It surely could, but if he's a planner, guess only, he'd probably prefer he didn't know the victims, at least not well. I still don't think anyone had to open a door for him. I find it terrifying.
 
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  • #850
And I can't imagine Stacy calling her mother to tell her about the change in plans, and then both Stacy and Suzie heading over to the other mother's home without giving her any notice at all. So I think it's a pretty good guess that they called and left a message on that machine, and he heard it.

Where was this message on the answering machine the next day? The message that was accidentally erased was from Friday the 5th. So why delete this alleged message from Suzie and not the "odd" voice mail? This is all speculative. According to Janis, Suzie was asking multiple people at the parties to spend the night at her house that night. A lot of people believe this is proof that Suzie was nervous about something but I see it as nothing more than a recent high school graduate who wanted to spend the night in her new waterbed, and needed someone to come with her so she wouldn't look like the one outcast who didn't want to spend the night out with friends. So if Suzie was asking multiple people to spend the night back at her place, that tells me she had every intention of returning home that night.
 
  • #851
The message on the machine is definitely speculative, but the perp would of course be the one who deleted it. He'd never want it known the message was ever left at all. And you're absolutely right, I mean... there's no way of knowing that such a thing ever happened. I'm just telling you, though, I really do think it may have.

The thing about the asking around for someone to stay over... it would definitely be interesting if it's actually the case. I've seen this point discussed at some sources but not all, I've seen it disputed on threads.

NOT asking in an irky-jerky way or anything, just asking because I cannot figure this out because of all the bickering that goes on with some of the finer points (some larger pieces of information, too). Is it a fact Suzie was looking around for someone to stay there? Because yes, honestly-- that would be of interest in context. I'm not glued to any certain theory, I'm just hoping one day, that case is solved. Because it's just horrendously sad. I'm glad people are still on here and still interested in this case and its hopeful (some day) resolution.
 
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  • #852
The thing about the asking around for someone to stay over... it would definitely be interesting if it's actually the case. I've seen this point discussed at some sources but not all, I've seen it disputed on threads.

NOT asking in an irky-jerky way or anything, just asking because I cannot figure this out because of all the bickering that goes on with some of the finer points (some larger pieces of information, too). Is it a fact Suzie was looking around for someone to stay there? Because yes, honestly-- that would be of interest in context. I'm not glued to any certain theory, I'm just hoping one day, that case is solved. Because it's just horrendously sad. I'm glad people are still on here and still interested in this case and its hopeful (some day) resolution.

From this link:

Janis McCall (at :43):
"During the graduation, Suzie was very upset. She wanted to go home and stay at her house. She had asked several people to spend the night with her and I think it was a last minute decision made by Stacy, solely because Suzie needed a friend."

Now we know that from the murmurs from the parties that night that Suzie was upset because all of her friends were going off to college while she would be attending cosmetology school. We also know that she had a stomach ache. Janis would not have made the above statement if there weren't people from the parties that didn't verify that Suzie had asked "several people" about spending the night. To me, this means Suzie intended on returning home that night. The stomach ache and asking for someone else to go to the house with her does not suggest she was scared of something but rather she wanted to politely decline spending the night somewhere and use the stomach ache or the other person coming back to her place as a way out of it.
 

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