Missouri - The Springfield Three - missing since 7 June 1992 - #16

[lee sumner]

wow, streeter had 44 pairs of shoes. that is excessive.

i think it was levitt who owned 44 pairs of shoes. that is excessive in my opinion.

 

[Betty P]

I've always been confused about the voicemail that was accidentally deleted from the answering machine. When Janelle and Mike first went inside the house on the 7th, she received two obscene phone calls back to back and Janelle described the voice as "teenish". Janis McCall, when listening to the answering machine messages, claims that there was a "strange" message from a man on there and didn't elaborate. Was the voicemail an obscene phone call as well? Because it's never been clear to me that the voicemail was like the two calls Janelle answered. IMO, I think the voicemail is separate from the obscene phone calls.

Janelle and Mike reported the 2 obscene phone calls came to the Streeter house that morning, after they arrived. Sure, there might have been pranks over graduation weekend, but who makes prank obscene phone calls during morning hours? That's usually done at night, no? That was always my experience - in the late evening to night time. It may have been linked to the disappearances. If it was, who were they hoping would hear the calls or answering machine message? Was it for the people who might be at the house waiting for the women to return home? Is it possible someone was watching the house after the abduction to see who would arrive?

 

[TheCars1986]

OR - someone could have broken the porch light and hid around the corner of the house. When the door is opened by Ms Leavitt, the perp(s) rush in with gun in hand.
JMO

It would have been roughly 3 in the morning. Sherrill was described by everyone who knew her as straight as an arrow and by the book. She may have looked outside after hearing glass break, but I just don't think it's reasonable to assume she would have opened the door. I'm also fairly confident that the glass breaking occurred after Suzie and Stacy returned to Delmar because they most likely would have noticed it coming home. There was also the front door and the storm door that opened in opposite directions (front door opened to the right, storm door to the left), so on the small chance that one of them did open the door, they wouldn't have had to open the other to look outside and see the globe shattered.

 

[TheCars1986]

why not snatch streeter and mccall on the way home to delmar st, which is about 12 miles from kirby house. perp is not going to wait until they arrive home go in then lock up for the night.

Because, IMO, they thought they could get them to either let them inside the house or go with them willingly wherever they eventually wound up going. When there was resistance, everything escalated.

 

[TheCars1986]

DR or MC.

Both Recla and Clay alibied each other, as well as Clay's sister, who was slightly annoyed because Recla passed out in her bed so she had to sleep on the sofa. They would have gotten to Clay's sister's home (after a concert IIRC) well before Suzie and Stacy made it back to Delmar. Clay's sister remembers them coming home after the concert and Recla passing out in her bed and she and Clay stayed up playing cards. The article also says that this male acquaintance was "one of those who entered Levitt's house early in the day apparently looking for the women." That couldn't be Recla or Clay.

 

[Betty P]

there was about 2 grand in levitt purse, but it was not stolen. the purses all next to each other in streeter bedroom could be friends calling at the house looking for a phone number or some clue to where the girls had gone. the friends then put the purses down in streeter bedroom. it could mean nothing.

In the previous video short of one of the documentaries, the detective said when he arrived at the Levitt/Streeter home that day, all the purses were sitting on the kitchen table. The people who had come into the house trying to find the women had been looking through them.

 

[Betty P]

why not snatch streeter and mccall on the way home to delmar st, which is about 12 miles from kirby house. perp is not going to wait until they arrive home go in then lock up for the night.

There may not have been a suitable spot to hijack and kidnap the girls. There would be a risk of someone driving up, including LE. Hijacking the car and wrangling the two girls out of it in the middle of the street seems risky. Following them home and waiting until they went in was risky, too. Whomever kidnapped them took a lot of risks.

 

[TedMac]

why not snatch streeter and mccall on the way home to delmar st, which is about 12 miles from kirby house. perp is not going to wait until they arrive home go in then lock up for the night.

Possibly because Streeter and McCall were in two separate vehcles and their vehicles, unless stopped at stoplight would have been moving. Kidnapping them in their cars would have been very difficult. Abducting them from the home would only require a ruse of some sort to get one of the women to the door and from there the culprit could either by force or threaten them wih a weapon.

I have wondered if the killer wasn't possibly a perp on the prowl and saw the girls as they made their way to the Levitt house and followed them to the house, waited until they got in and them used the ruse or weapon to get control of them.

I just hope that someday we find out how it all went down and who was responsible for this horrible crime.

 

[JCM]

i think it was levitt who owned 44 pairs of shoes. that is excessive in my opinion.

You should see my wife's closet.

 

[lee sumner]

Possibly because Streeter and McCall were in two separate vehcles and their vehicles, unless stopped at stoplight would have been moving. Kidnapping them in their cars would have been very difficult. Abducting them from the home would only require a ruse of some sort to get one of the women to the door and from there the culprit could either by force or threaten them wih a weapon.

I have wondered if the killer wasn't possibly a perp on the prowl and saw the girls as they made their way to the Levitt house and followed them to the house, waited until they got in and them used the ruse or weapon to get control of them.

I just hope that someday we find out how it all went down and who was responsible for this horrible crime.

snatching them in there cars would be difficult, but not as difficult as snatching them in a house now locked up.

 

[TheCars1986]

I have wondered if the killer wasn't possibly a perp on the prowl and saw the girls as they made their way to the Levitt house and followed them to the house, waited until they got in and them used the ruse or weapon to get control of them.

Nothing in this case should be completely ruled out, but I have a hard time seeing an unknown perp spotting either Suzie or Stacy and being brazen enough to try and gain entry into the house. Especially because of Sherrill's car being there. They would have no way of knowing who was inside the house.

 

[the_p0ssum]

Nothing in this case should be completely ruled out, but I have a hard time seeing an unknown perp spotting either Suzie or Stacy and being brazen enough to try and gain entry into the house. Especially because of Sherrill's car being there. They would have no way of knowing who was inside the house.

But that's exactly how Cox got caught in TX.

 

[TheCars1986]

But that's exactly how Cox got caught in TX.

Cox followed one woman to an apartment complex and she immediately sensed something was wrong and rushed inside and locked the door. Cox tried opening the door to no avail and the cops arrived and arrested him shortly afterwards.

 

[lee sumner]

Nothing in this case should be completely ruled out, but I have a hard time seeing an unknown perp spotting either Suzie or Stacy and being brazen enough to try and gain entry into the house. Especially because of Sherrill's car being there. They would have no way of knowing who was inside the house.

spot on. the girls came home to someone who was already in the house with levitt.

 

[lee sumner]

Janelle and Mike reported the 2 obscene phone calls came to the Streeter house that morning, after they arrived. Sure, there might have been pranks over graduation weekend, but who makes prank obscene phone calls during morning hours? That's usually done at night, no? That was always my experience - in the late evening to night time. It may have been linked to the disappearances. If it was, who were they hoping would hear the calls or answering machine message? Was it for the people who might be at the house waiting for the women to return home? Is it possible someone was watching the house after the abduction to see who would arrive?

excellent point. how would the perp know there were people in the house.

 

[lee sumner]

In the previous video short of one of the documentaries, the detective said when he arrived at the Levitt/Streeter home that day, all the purses were sitting on the kitchen table. The people who had come into the house trying to find the women had been looking through them.

kitchen table. wow, i did not know this info. if friends went through levitt purse they did not take the money, so there intentions were good.

 

[Betty P]

Pretty sure It's the first I'd heard of it.

No, I doubt any of the friends or their parents would have taken money or anything else from the purses. For most of that day and until after they called police, everyone expected the 3 women to return.

It makes you realize, though, how much they tampered with the crime scene, moving things, making beds, cleaning up, erasing phone messages. Ugh. So much evidence lost.

kitchen table. wow, i did not know this info. if friends went through levitt purse they did not take the money, so there intentions were g

 

[Betty P]

spot on. the girls came home to someone who was already in the house with levitt.

But the evidence showed the girls had spent time changing into sleep clothes, removing make up in the bathroom and otherwise getting ready for bed. You would think they would have had some interaction with Levitt, either looking in on her or talking to her. Their dog would have also been upset and barking if there were a stranger in the house with them.

 

[the_p0ssum]

Cox followed one woman to an apartment complex and she immediately sensed something was wrong and rushed inside and locked the door. Cox tried opening the door to no avail and the cops arrived and arrested him shortly afterwards.

...though he had no idea who might also have been in that apartment. And previously, he also walked into a salon in Decatur, TX, put a gun to a woman's head, and then forced her, another woman, and a 5yr old child into a closet.

In both cases, he was brazen and didn't seem to care whoever else might be inside.

 

[TedMac]

But that's exactly how Cox got caught in TX.

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