Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #16

  • #681
Wow thread closed and re-opened after 5 years ?

Well having skimmed through this case over the past few days , my instinct (Only MOO) says Stacy was the main target

Reason? Suzy and her mother could have been taken any other night from that house? separately or together

The perp may have been trying to catch Stacy alone and could not invade the Mccall house if she had a dad, brother , uncles around during that period of time in 1992 close to graduating high school

I also think that there is a reason the perp didnt want to wait any longer for another time to take her - even if it meant having to take her friend and friend's mum too to get her - and that could be that the perp felt Stacy was out of his life after graduation and moving on.

If I was LE (sadly just a middle aged tax accountant not LE) , working this as a cold case, I would re-interview every single person in that graduating class afresh and form a picture of if there was someone who had been turned down by Stacy and had been obsessive about her that senior year .......
 
  • #682
Wow thread closed and re-opened after 5 years ?

Well having skimmed through this case over the past few days , my instinct (Only MOO) says Stacy was the main target

Reason? Suzy and her mother could have been taken any other night from that house? separately or together

The perp may have been trying to catch Stacy alone and could not invade the Mccall house if she had a dad, brother , uncles around during that period of time in 1992 close to graduating high school

I also think that there is a reason the perp didnt want to wait any longer for another time to take her - even if it meant having to take her friend and friend's mum too to get her - and that could be that the perp felt Stacy was out of his life after graduation and moving on.

If I was LE (sadly just a middle aged tax accountant not LE) , working this as a cold case, I would re-interview every single person in that graduating class afresh and form a picture of if there was someone who had been turned down by Stacy and had been obsessive about her that senior year .......

That's exactly the direction that the investigation needs to go in. I'm not sure that it ever "officially" has unless they've kept it close to the vest. These are the folks that need reinterviewed and reexamined.

Also, I'm a staunch believer (as I've said elsewhere in this thread and on these boards) that multiple people CAN and WILL keep a secret when it's something as heavy as this, but time can take its toll. These kids are now hitting 50 and older. I'm a tad younger and even in my 40s I'm doing reflecting. After all this time the next decade could be crucial as far as new info.
 
  • #683
The problem is, as I see it, with the passage of time and the noted unreliability of long-term and/or false memory, people trying to recall things from back then and trying to "help" LE could well result in false leads, memories and accusations. Without physical evidence, especially bodies, anything else is just wishful thinking, easily impeached or discredited by any attorney worth his salt. MOO of course. I hope these women are recovered in my lifetime but I'm not confident this will ever happen.
 
  • #684
The problem is, as I see it, with the passage of time and the noted unreliability of long-term and/or false memory, people trying to recall things from back then and trying to "help" LE could well result in false leads, memories and accusations. Without physical evidence, especially bodies, anything else is just wishful thinking, easily impeached or discredited by any attorney worth his salt. MOO of course. I hope these women are recovered in my lifetime but I'm not confident this will ever happen.

We've had 33 years of chasing boogeymen that's done nothing but hinder the investigation. Going back to the beginning can't make it any worse.
 
  • #685
We've had 33 years of chasing boogeymen that's done nothing but hinder the investigation. Going back to the beginning can't make it any worse.
While understanding any frustration with the lack of answers and what can be perceived as a lack of progress on this case as well, I think it's wrong and disparaging to call the investigation to this point "chasing boogeymen". Law Enforcement rarely keeps the public apprised on the particulars of an active, if cold, case. The scene itself was so severely compromised, that nothing short of a confession and recovering the bodies makes anything else, in my opinion, just grandstanding, with little chance of bringing viable results. We really don't know how many times in the past 33 years LE has done exactly what was suggested; gone back to the beginning and questioned everybody they could. I'm certain they want the truth even more than any of us do.
 
  • #686
I was watching a criminal procedural show earlier tonight and one of the “detectives” made a comment along the lines of “how did they solve any crimes back in the 90’s?” The “detective” then started listing off just a few of the things not available back then. Such as, everybody didn’t have a cell phone, much less one capable of recording, or tracking with GPS. There was no social media, with people posting every five minutes about how they are feeling or tweeting what they had for dinner. That scene immediately brought to mind this case, which I have followed since it happened. After 33 years, 6 months and some odd days, still no resolution. I, along with many others, (Missouri Mule, talking to you ) have participated in numerous forums over the years, discussing, arguing, and getting nasty about this case. People have tossed theories out, spreading gossip and making life difficult for real people, all filtered through our own life experience. For example, I was a teenager back then and I would never do this or that. I don’t know why this particular case has stuck with me through the years, but it has. I think Catmommy summed it up perfectly: “We really don't know how many times in the past 33 years LE has done exactly what was suggested; gone back to the beginning and questioned everybody they could”. I'm certain they want the truth even more than any of us do.” Extremely old cold cases have been solved over the past few years, by REAL detectives putting in the work, talking to real people. Let’s make this year, the year that “The Springfield Three” is one of them.
 
  • #687
The issue here is that we DO know that they've looked into the boogeymen and where are we?
 
  • #688
Extremely old cold cases have been solved over the past few years, by REAL detectives putting in the work, talking to real people. Let’s make this year, the year that “The Springfield Three” is one of them.
I agree with your post but also want to add, so many cold cases are being solved by genetic genealogy and so often it turns out the killer was someone no one ever suspected. Especially in this case, where it was likely a random criminal, rather than a known connection.

JMO
 
  • #689
I’m new around here, and have done a little catching up on the threads related to this case. I grew up in Springfield and moved away about 30 years ago. I don’t have any personal connections to the case, but my circles of friends in the late 1980s included people who are older siblings of some of the players in this case. In 1992, I lived about a mile south of 1717 East Delmar.

I don’t have anything new or insider-y to offer, but I did want to throw out some thoughts, facts and observations that are mostly unrelated to each other:

* 1717 East Delmar is a long, long way from the center of any activity involving Kickapoo High School. It’s well removed from Kickapoo’s actual attendance area. In those days, attendance areas were pretty tightly enforced, with one exception: If you were a senior in high school, you could choose to remain at the high school you were attending if your parents moved out of the attendance area (I vaguely remember this practice being known as “senior preference.”) Suzie’s connection to Kickapoo would have been from a previous residence. This is why I’ve always thought it was odd that so many people just let themselves into the residence; it wasn’t like these were close neighbors who knew each other well. The Delmar house was several miles outside of the Kickapoo district.

* Given that, it was a bit weird that anybody from a KHS graduation party other than Suzie would want to wind down their night at the Delmar house. This, to me, lends some credence to the belief that Stacy McCall was trying to be a friend to Suzie (and, also, simply didn’t wanna go home that night). It would have been, at the time, at least a 25-30 minute drive from the Battlefield area, even with no traffic. If you look at a map now, you’ll think, well, couldn’t they have just zipped down the James River Freeway? Nope, it ended at Kansas Expressway at the time. West Bypass’s southern terminus was Sunshine. That trip from the Kirbys’ house would have involved Weaver Road, the old Republic Road, and Campbell, maybe crossing over on Battlefield to get to Glenstone.

* That said, I know from my own youthful efforts to get from one part of Springfield to another after having had a drink or two, if they followed basic Springfieldian strategy of the time, they would have stayed off Glenstone to reduce the likelihood of an encounter with law enforcement. This would mean they likely would have approached Delmar from Kentwood via Fremont or National, which would explain why their cars were parked facing Glenstone. I never found that odd.

* I’ve noted several posts, articles and at least one podcast repeat the assertion that the 911 system was new to Springfield in June of 1992. It wasn’t. It had been launched in March 1979. Janis McCall didn’t want to call 911 because “911 was for emergencies” and she still wasn’t convinced or was trying block out the thought that the situation she was facing in the evening of June 7 was an emergency. But it wasn’t because she was unfamiliar with 911.

* The various gas station/convenience store “sightings” never rang true with me. Neither Streeter nor McCall looked particularly distinctive for the time or place. A lot of teenagers would have been out that night, and the bored guy behind the cash register at the Apco or Rapid Roberts or whatever would likely not have been able to pick Streeter or McCall out of a lineup.

* The idea that anybody would walk from 1717 E. Delmar to George’s Steak House for late-night breakfast is patently silly. Glenstone doesn’t have sidewalks. Kentwood doesn’t have sidewalks. Nobody in Springfield walks to anywhere except on university campuses. That one is really easy to cross off the list.

* I’m pretty sure Hydra-Slide WAS open late on summer nights and weekends. So it’s not implausible that Janelle Kirby’s cutoffs would still have been wet from being at Hydra-Slide. It has always struck me as odd that … she and Mike Henson WENT to Hydra-Slide rather than advising some adults that three vehicles and no people were at the unlocked Delmar house. And a Hydra-Slide trip would certainly not have been an all-day-into-the-evening thing the way a trip to White Water would have been.

* And finally: The idea that “Springfield was a place where people didn’t lock their doors” in 1992 is absolutely false. I grew up in a house in the heart of Springfield in the ‘70s and ‘80s which had double dead-bolt locks. Lots and lots of criming was going on in Springfield throughout my childhood and adolescence — big violent crime, drug-fueled crime, petty crime, and yes, more than our fair share of missing women. It’s true that there weren’t a lot of murders IN THE CITY LIMITS of Springfield, but there were plenty on the outskirts. And there were many, many home break-ins, car thefts, and other property crimes. The only thing that really stood out about this case was that it was three people at one time, and that the crime scene was as clean as it was.

So: None of these assertions advance anything, but hopefully they level-set a few key points, especially for those not from Springfield.
 
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  • #690
I’m new around here, and have done a little catching up on the threads related to this case. I grew up in Springfield and moved away about 30 years ago. I don’t have any personal connections to the case, but my circles of friends in the late 1980s included people who are older siblings of some of the players in this case. In 1992, I lived about a mile south of 1717 East Delmar.

I don’t have anything new or insider-y to offer, but I did want to throw out some thoughts, facts and observations that are mostly unrelated to each other:

So: None of these assertions advance anything, but hopefully they level-set a few key points, especially for those not from Springfield.

I'd give this post a gold star if I could. Refreshing, insightful and zero agenda pushing a favorite "suspect" like it's a game show.
 

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