Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #7

[marable]

Could Israel Keyes have done this?

 

[wfgodot]

Could Israel Keyes have done this?

In a word, no.

 

[TexasT]

Never thought we'd be here 25 years later . Just prayers for the families today . [emoji120]

 

[Jennibee]

Just noticed the date. Thinking of the three women today and their families who miss them dearly.


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[Missouri Mule]

Could Israel Keyes have done this?

I must confess I had never heard of him. However I did a cursory check and he was in a different part of the country. If he did, we'll never know. He is dead.

No matter which theory is advanced the key is how entry was gained. The only two ways that I (and others) believe this could be done is if the kidnapper was known and trusted. The other way, disturbing as it may be, is it were a cop. That theory has even been advanced by some cops in the SPD. That is a big "could be."

No other individual would be permitted entry during that time in the hours preceding early morning.

 

[Jennibee]

Israel Keyes was terrifying however I don't see him for this one. Just a feeling. I don't think it was a random attack like Keyes' were.


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[missgulfsouth]

Such a haunting case...one I haven't followed closely. .

 

[wfgodot]

Wow, a quarter of a century.

I was aware of this case -- I lived within 70 miles of Springfield -- but I'll admit it never grabbed me till the cop's off-hand comment about UFOs. That gave it the WTF? quality it still richly deserves.

Then a girl in my class had some third-hand info, probably incorrect but interesting, and I used it as the cornerstone for a whole case mythology, undoutedly far from correct but more interesting than that "They're buried under the Cox parking garage" malarky.

25 years later and still -- WTF?

 

[wfgodot]

Kansas City Star:

25 years and no trace of 3 Missouri women: ‘People aren’t supposed to just disappear’

 

[DD Byrd]

25 years...

For entry....someone known (family, friend) OR someone "official" (police officer, gas man, electric company).

I've read he used the ruse that Cinnamon was outside and brought to door but that's a pretty specific unfolding of events for an unplanned event.

If he broke the glass globe to attract their attention, I'd imagine they'd be even more cautious checking it out in the middle of the night (as opposed to throwing the door wide open to see what happened.)

The theory that Stacy struggled on the way out raises a flag. Why just her, was it her nature, or did the other women know the abductor and she didn't so she panicked more quickly? The fact that the DNA on glass shards is so murky seems like that is the key.

I've also wondered why the "don't do anything stupid" van witness has been mostly discounted? Is that not a completely bizarre scenario that would have been followed up regardless of a triple abduction?

 

[missgulfsouth]

After reading about Cox I thought maybe he went to the house with a ruse about a gas leak (perhaps?) and told them to get out of the house fast, to his house (main crime scene there?). But the stacked purses and broken light globe/intact bulb are throwing me off. No wonder people go crazy trying to figure this out.....

 

[DD Byrd]

I'm now thinking the stacked purses were done after the fact....visitors looking for the women searched, collected, and put in one place. But it's strange that this wasn't specified since a LOT of visitors could have corroborated. I can only imagine that this hasn't been cleared up by LE after all these years because it's one of the keys to the case, as it were.

Unrelated...what are chances that Suzie/ Stacy were NOT drinking that night? Graduation....a few parties....two young inebriated girls, plus one possibly asleep full grown woman when all hell broke loose...not a group overly predisposed to be wary...

 

[marable]

Israel Keyes was terrifying however I don't see him for this one. Just a feeling. I don't think it was a random attack like Keyes' were.


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Israel Keyes would have only been around 14 when these women disappeared which makes it unlikely....However, he was given a gun at an early age by his grandfather ...He was cunning , detail oriented and meticulous in his planning .....A real psycho....

 

[DD Byrd]

Is it strange that ALL of the people mentioned as POIs in the actual case (that we know of) or just periphery individuals on this thread (that are able) have not responded here? At the outset, if MY family were involved no doubt I would have followed LE's instructions if they were "mum on websites."...And that may have been a valid LE tool then...TWENTY FIVE YEARS later...I might have responded and tried to follow up anywhere....

 

[wfgodot]

All I'm pretty sure of, for sure, is that this was a Springfield crime, not some outside happenstance.

 

[Missouri Mule]

Kansas City Star:

25 years and no trace of 3 Missouri women: ‘People aren’t supposed to just disappear’

Great catch. Thanks for the link.

 

[Missouri Mule]

All I'm pretty sure of, for sure, is that this was a Springfield crime, not some outside happenstance.

This is most probably the truth, but it leaves open a number of theories that should be tested. The one most important thing is how entry was gained. I may sound like a broken record but I don't see any other way into the house.

 

[Missouri Mule]

I'm now thinking the stacked purses were done after the fact....visitors looking for the women searched, collected, and put in one place. But it's strange that this wasn't specified since a LOT of visitors could have corroborated. I can only imagine that this hasn't been cleared up by LE after all these years because it's one of the keys to the case, as it were.

Unrelated...what are chances that Suzie/ Stacy were NOT drinking that night? Graduation....a few parties....two young inebriated girls, plus one possibly asleep full grown woman when all hell broke loose...not a group overly predisposed to be wary...

I think you are exactly right about the purses. We don't know if they were left there at the time the women were abducted but were returned later after being thoroughly checked for anything connecting to the perpetrators.

If, on the other hand, the perpetrators who did this had no prior connection with the women, there would have been no need to search the purses.

My speculation is that the women and the purses were taken to a second location. The women being secured, the purses were thoroughly gone through and that can be a tedious project as any husband (like me) would know about. Even a business card, a phone number or anything could have led directly to the perpetrators. After that was done, the purses were returned all in one spot. And then my personal opinion the house was then carefully staged and then the perpetrator(s) left from the front door leaving the door unlocked having no key and then returned to the second crime location where in all probability the women were either murdered or taken to more secure location possibly deep in the Ozark State Forrest near Bull Shoals. That possibility has been put forward as early as post #28 in Thread #1. Then time and the animals would have destroyed the remains. But that is a theory but as good as any I have seen.

 

[Missouri Mule]

25 years...

For entry....someone known (family, friend) OR someone "official" (police officer, gas man, electric company).

I've read he used the ruse that Cinnamon was outside and brought to door but that's a pretty specific unfolding of events for an unplanned event.

If he broke the glass globe to attract their attention, I'd imagine they'd be even more cautious checking it out in the middle of the night (as opposed to throwing the door wide open to see what happened.)

The theory that Stacy struggled on the way out raises a flag. Why just her, was it her nature, or did the other women know the abductor and she didn't so she panicked more quickly? The fact that the DNA on glass shards is so murky seems like that is the key.

I've also wondered why the "don't do anything stupid" van witness has been mostly discounted? Is that not a completely bizarre scenario that would have been followed up regardless of a triple abduction?

The "porch lady" received a lot of publicity but from what is known, it isn't supported by the time line. But beyond that she waited, I believe, some two weeks before coming forth.

In 1992, I received a telephone call at my home from a lady, now deceased, who was somewhat close to the family. She stated that she was in the company of the "porch lady" and the officer who were present while a hypnotic session was being conducted. However when it came to getting to the core of what she knew, she became "hysterical" and the session cut short, as told to me.

The van, or a replica, of the van was displayed for about four months on the lawn on a busy freeway where people could go see it. We don't know if a van was actually used (some believe not), or anything else about it had any value. But at the time that was best information the police evidently had. A more likely account is the van, similar, that was stated to be parked on the corner of Delmar and Kentwood, just west of the main drag (Glenstone) and seen by the paper carrier (or "yard sale lady") at or about 3:30 AM. That tends to support the van sighting. And it might be the reason the "porch lady" was given credence. As the now deceased lady told me, her account was based on the business the "porch lady" and her husband had where they dealt in used vehicles and she could recognize the make and model of various vehicles. It is not impossible that her account is in fact what happened but I don't know how the time line would fit since my recollection she saw it sometime between 6 AM and 6:30 AM (I stand to be corrected) which would have been long after the expected exit of the perpetrators. One detective who looked into it was said to be skeptical as it just didn't ring true although there is no indication the porch lady just concocted the story. We just don't know.

The only two theories that make any sense to me is a close acquaintance who was known and trusted or a police officer or a fake police officer. At that time of the morning most people would never allow someone into their home unless they had no reason to fear for their safety. The gas leak sounds very unlikely to my way of thinking.

Sorry to be so long but I wanted to recount what was personally told me.

 

[Missouri Mule]

Is it strange that ALL of the people mentioned as POIs in the actual case (that we know of) or just periphery individuals on this thread (that are able) have not responded here? At the outset, if MY family were involved no doubt I would have followed LE's instructions if they were "mum on websites."...And that may have been a valid LE tool then...TWENTY FIVE YEARS later...I might have responded and tried to follow up anywhere....

Actually, on other sites several have commented. I have been in touch with some of them. I can say that it has gotten "hot and heavy and personal" in several occasions. Some, however, for their own reasons, I suppose have chosen not to comment.