Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #7

[Ibiz]

I wouldn't think the globe was broken to draw them out. There would have been easier ways of doing that. Also, just because these women were abducted doesn't mean the crime was committed by some special high skilled masterminds.

 

[diamond_life]

I wouldn't think the globe was broken to draw them out. There would have been easier ways of doing that. Also, just because these women were abducted doesn't mean the crime was committed by some special high skilled masterminds.

I remember reading Janelle or somebody saying they had to replace the glode before so it might just be janky. Although if that fact is true that globe must be a total piece of junk to have been replaced in the time they lived there. Given they were cautious people I think its more likely theyd go look at the cause of a weird sound then open the door for a stranger.

I dont think it was like a professional hit. Im more going off the fact they got away with it and it was superficially smooth and clean crime scene. Its possible they were not smart or sophisticated but I give a skilled or experienced criminal (or LE) much better odds at having succeeded.

We'll never know if they left fingerprints or how well executed the crime scene was in that regard.

 

[flute4peace]

You don't know what you are talking about. Nobody is preventing a core from being taken. The police think the tip is worthless. The hospital said they are OK with a core being taken, but the PD say there are not interested in doing one. If the PD believed this was credible, they would have already cored it. This has nothing to do with 4th amendment issues.

Am I understanding correctly that they even had a benefactor willing to cover the cost of the coring? Since it's on private property, can't the hospital just hire it done themselves? How could LE stop them?

Frankly, even if the theory is ridiculous, if I were the hospital I would need to know *for sure*, and if someone's willing to foot the bill, what is there to lose?

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[Ozoner]

I wouldn't think the globe was broken to draw them out. There would have been easier ways of doing that. Also, just because these women were abducted doesn't mean the crime was committed by some special high skilled masterminds.

I think that whoever did it must have known that there were no men present, so it was someone who knew the women's habits or had been watching them. Were there any reports of peeping Toms in that neighborhood during the previous couple of years? It could have been a sexual predator who spotted them that night and followed them home, but the odds are against it.

Graverobbing violates social mores so completely that perpetrators of that crime should be considered capable of anything.

As for the parking garage, the person who gave the tip might have had knowledge of the crime but claimed the information came from a dream in order to avoid implicating himself or herself in any way. The anomolies that look like graves should be excavated.

 

[Ibiz]

I think that whoever did it must have known that there were no men present, so it was someone who knew the women's habits or had been watching them. Were there any reports of peeping Toms in that neighborhood during the previous couple of years? It could have been a sexual predator who spotted them that night and followed them home, but the odds are against it.

Graverobbing violates social mores so completely that perpetrators of that crime should be considered capable of anything.

As for the parking garage, the person who gave the tip might have had knowledge of the crime but claimed the information came from a dream in order to avoid implicating himself or herself in any way. The anomolies that look like graves should be excavated.

I saw the old 48 hours doc this morning, and I must say where is this ex boyfriend and why won't he come talk to us? If this happened to one of my ex girlfriends, I would want to talk and answer questions.

Showing up at that support meeting was a bit odd to me.

 

[shadowdancer]

I saw a documentary recently about a different crime (a murder). The perp had unscrewed the bulb in the porch light so that the victim couldn't see who was at the door, which helped the perp to gain access to the victim's home.

Perhaps the perp in this case was attempting to do the same thing by breaking the bulb?

 

[Missouri Mule]

I saw a documentary recently about a different crime (a murder). The perp had unscrewed the bulb in the porch light so that the victim couldn't see who was at the door, which helped the perp to gain access to the victim's home.

Perhaps the perp in this case was attempting to do the same thing by breaking the bulb?

I doubt it. The reports I have seen is she was the last out and she was dragged out of the house. I think the globe dropped at that time and was broken. The bulb was not broken.

As a point of interest, the yard light was on the same circuit as was the porch lamp. They both were turned on when the switch was turned on.

 

[shadowdancer]

I doubt it. The reports I have seen is she was the last out and she was dragged out of the house. I think the globe dropped at that time and was broken. The bulb was not broken.

As a point of interest, the yard light was on the same circuit as was the porch lamp. They both were turned on when the switch was turned on.

Who was the last out?

 

[MaggieSky]

Who was the last out?

I think many people believed Stacy was the wild card. More likely to not trust and to put up a fight. They suspected she maybe was restrained in some way and forcefully taken out last.
This would be kind of hard to believe with no damage to doors or walls or things inside the house.
I do not, however have any sources to quote.
Although of course there's no way to know for sure.
And if that's true then I would think more than one perp.


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[shadowdancer]

As far as the light bulb goes, I don't see how the globe could 'fall out'. The globe is attached to the metal that would be screwed into the light fitting. It could have smashed if it was knocked when the women were being carried/forced out of the house.

Or the perp could have been attempting to remove/smash the bulb in order to help him gain access to the house.

In fact it occurred to me, following my earlier post, that the only time I have had a light bulb globe smash was once when I was trying to change a bulb in the car port of my old house and the bulb was stuck. When I attempted to twist the bulb to unscrew it, the globe just smashed in my hands, leaving the filament and the screw part still on the light fitting.

We really cannot rule out the possibility that the perp in this case was trying to unscrew the bulb and it smashed in his hands like my bulb did.

 

[MaggieSky]

As far as the light bulb goes, I don't see how the globe could 'fall out'. The globe is attached to the metal that would be screwed into the light fitting. It could have smashed if it was knocked when the women were being carried/forced out of the house.

Or the perp could have been attempting to remove/smash the bulb in order to help him gain access to the house.

In fact it occurred to me, following my earlier post, that the only time I have had a light bulb globe smash was once when I was trying to change a bulb in the car port of my old house and the bulb was stuck. When I attempted to twist the bulb to unscrew it, the globe just smashed in my hands, leaving the filament and the screw part still on the light fitting.

We really cannot rule out the possibility that the perp in this case was trying to unscrew the bulb and it smashed in his hands like my bulb did.

No logically bulbs do not fall off. However, I've had bulbs that were missing screws and really not stable at all. Not everyone makes repairs like they should at home. If it had broken previously I would think the second or even third bulb would be more secure to prevent it from breaking again.
It is possible slamming the front door could cause a bulb to fall that wasn't secure.

I don't know what this one looked like. Anyone have photo?
Was it the bulb beside front door? And can we be sure.


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[shadowdancer]

No logically bulbs do not fall off. However, I've had bulbs that were missing screws and really not stable at all. Not everyone makes repairs like they should at home. If it had broken previously I would think the second or even third bulb would be more secure to prevent it from breaking again.
It is possible slamming the front door could cause a bulb to fall that wasn't secure.

I don't know what this one looked like. Anyone have photo?
Was it the bulb beside front door? And can we be sure.


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True, but in that scenario, the whole bulb falls. In this case, only the globe is damaged. The rest of the bulb stays in place.

I just don't see how it is physically possible for only the globe to fall away, given that the globe is attached to the metal base, which stayed in place.

 

[MaggieSky]

Ok this is not close pic...but here's the front of the house taken by investigators.
Which light? I'm thinking it was the one beside front door facing down. Obviously because the other one is intact.

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[shadowdancer]

If that's the one, then the position isn't really in a place where it would be likely to get knocked by a person being carried/dragged though the doorway, unless the person being carried/dragged was really struggling and swinging their arms or legs around.

I really think this perp was trying to do the same thing that the perp in the documentary murder case did, except the globe broke in his hand.

 

[Ibiz]

That's possible shadow dancer, but wouldn't the perp have unscrewed the bulb after the globe broke in his hand? Also, we don't know if the lights were on when the perps came. Someone inside the house may have turned the light on after hearing or seeing a vehicle pulling into the driveway.

The only one who could have told us for sure, would have been Cinnamon. I wonder if the police tried to introduce her to any of the suspects to see how she would have reacted.

 

[shadowdancer]

That's possible shadow dancer, but wouldn't the perp have unscrewed the bulb after the globe broke in his hand? Also, we don't know if the lights were on when the perps came. Someone inside the house may have turned the light on after hearing or seeing a vehicle pulling into the driveway.

The only one who could have told us for sure, would have been Cinnamon. I wonder if the police tried to introduce her to any of the suspects to see how she would have reacted.

Once the globe has smashed, its very difficult to grasp the metal base because its screwed right inside the light fitting, so its highly unlikely that the perp would have been able to unscrew the remaining part of the bulb after the globe broke.

When I broke the globe on my bulb, I had to ask my ex husband to get the remaining part of the bulb out of the light fitting. I don't know exactly how he did it, but I believe that he used some sort of tool to get it out.

And yes, I wish that dogs could talk!

 

[diamond_life]

"We cleaned it up because we knew Sherrill wouldn't want it that way," Kirby said. "Normally, the second it broke she would have cleaned it up. "

http://3missingwomen.proboards.com/thread/3/media-links?page=2#ixzz52iBbbtuz"

The way I read that quote according to Janelle the globe breaking was a regular occurrence although I wonder if that was a generalization about cleaning any broken item in the house inmediately. If I had a globe break multiple times at a house I just moved in Id replace the entire thing or give up replacing that component after 2 or 3 times.

 

[shadowdancer]

"We cleaned it up because we knew Sherrill wouldn't want it that way," Kirby said. "Normally, the second it broke she would have cleaned it up. "

http://3missingwomen.proboards.com/thread/3/media-links?page=2#ixzz52iBbbtuz"

The way I read that quote according to Janelle the globe breaking was a regular occurrence although I wonder if that was a generalization about cleaning any broken item in the house inmediately. If I had a globe break multiple times at a house I just moved in Id replace the entire thing or give up replacing that component after 2 or 3 times.

Its probably just a reference to Sherrill being the sort of person who kept a tidy house and it being out of character for her to leave mess uncleared, but still worth bearing in mind.

 

[Ibiz]

"We cleaned it up because we knew Sherrill wouldn't want it that way," Kirby said. "Normally, the second it broke she would have cleaned it up. "

http://3missingwomen.proboards.com/thread/3/media-links?page=2#ixzz52iBbbtuz"

The way I read that quote according to Janelle the globe breaking was a regular occurrence although I wonder if that was a generalization about cleaning any broken item in the house inmediately. If I had a globe break multiple times at a house I just moved in Id replace the entire thing or give up replacing that component after 2 or 3 times.

I'm actually surprised, I don't think it's ever been mentioned what type of globe it was, but it looks like the old standard jelly jar lights.



They are very low cost fixtures, so they probally don't sell just the globes by themselves. But then again, it could have been one of the big snowball globes as well.

Maybe we should wait and ask Mule.

 

[flute4peace]

I'm actually surprised, I don't think it's ever been mentioned what type of globe it was, but it looks like the old standard jelly jar lights.

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They are very low cost fixtures, so they probally don't sell just the globes by themselves. But then again, it could have been one of the big snowball globes as well.

Maybe we should wait and ask Mule.

This is what I was picturing, and many of these types of fixtures have 3 little screws that secure a lip on the globe onto the metal base. If one of those screws were missing, it could make the globe less stable in the base and more likely to fall, which could explain the potentially repeated breakage.

Just to make sure everyone's on the same page here, to me:

Globe = round glass enclosure that goes around the bulb

Bulb = the thing that lights up.

I think perhaps there is some confusion between the *globe* of the light fixture and the round *globe* part of the light bulb.

I have seen (and purchased) globes separately from the fixture.