Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #7

[cherrymeg]

The actual lightbulb was still working. The only part that broke was the decorative bulb that covers the light bulb.

Really? That might mean the light broke and had nothing to do with the missing women.

 

[asyousay]

Do people put too much faith in the Porch light being part of the puzzle?

Surely if there was a struggle there would be more signs than a broken porch light to show for it and any kind of real weight would of broken the whole fixing not just the glass around it.


ETA - if you look at the photo of the light fixing it doesn’t look strong at all.

 

[Talullah]

It’s possible Mike or Janelle broke the light if he or she banged on the door.
I agree! I’d think if the globe was broken during a struggle there would’ve been drops of blood-some sort of disarray.

 

[asyousay]

It’s possible Mike or Janelle broke the light if he or she banged on the door.
I agree! I’d think if the globe was broken during a struggle there would’ve been drops of blood-some sort of disarray.

Especially as they were all bare footed as well I thought so if you walked over broken glass then you would definitely get cut or break the shards in such a way that LE would be able to tell that’s what happened.

 

[cherrymeg]

It’s possible Mike or Janelle broke the light if he or she banged on the door.
I agree! I’d think if the globe was broken during a struggle there would’ve been drops of blood-some sort of disarray.

That would explain why they cleaned up the glass.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

Really? That might mean the light broke and had nothing to do with the missing women.

and you could be right....was there really glass on the porch...what 'proof' was there that a globe existed? Nigel was there the evening before, she would be able to confirm either way.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

Since Janelle (and Mike) assumed the women already went to the water park (her words not mine) perhaps Janelle got...angry. She could have broken the globe.
Just a thought...no proof except her statement. And wouldn't a reasonable person have at least flip-flops tucked in the car? It's not like they lived a mile down the road. She lived in another town. No shoes? Another thing that does not add up.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

I have a mental pic of sweet Sherrill bolting out of bed, no thoughts of cigs, tossing on the floral dress....dashing to the living room...

When does a caring mother 'dash' out of bed, no thought of her own needs or wants?

 

[asyousay]

Since Janelle (and Mike) assumed the women already went to the water park (her words not mine) perhaps Janelle got...angry. She could have broken the globe.
Just a thought...no proof except her statement. And wouldn't a reasonable person have at least flip-flops tucked in the car? It's not like they lived a mile down the road. She lived in another town. No shoes? Another thing that does not add up.

See this is exactly why Janelle is such a big suspect for me as nothing she did uses logic.

So Stacey drove to Suzie’s for a reason which would indicate Suzie planned to drive to the water park or she could of left the car at Janelle’s and picked it up the following day.

So then why would Janelle think Stacey has just left her car behind that morning? It defies logic to me.


Stacey lived closer to Janelles as far as I’m aware as Suzie’s house was the other side of town (correct me if I am wrong) so if she was planning to get a lift to the water park it would make a lot more sense to leave her car at janelle’s.


There are so many red flags with Janelle’s behaviour it beggars belief. Her being a petulant jealous b*tch doesn’t cut it to me as a excuse either.

IMO

 

[Talullah]

I have a feeling Sherrill wouldn’t have given Suzie and Stacy the 3rd degree if they came in buzzed or with company, but the more I think about it and read the less I think they made it to Delmar.
For all we know nothing happened there other than dropping off their cars and tossing purses inside but I think it’s more likely someone caught them as they were walking in the door.

 

[k-mac]

Typically, yes they would. But if the girls came in late and had been drinking, they may have not been thinking very clearly and just wanted to get to bed and left a note so that Sherrill was aware of it since she was possibly sleeping. Just a thought.

rsbm

they must have been clear thinking enough to drive their cars but not enough to break a light cover and clean it up?

 

[asyousay]

rsbm

they must have been clear thinking enough to drive their cars but not enough to break a light cover and clean it up?

Yes and when you grow up with pets you would automatically clean up any smashed glass.

 

[k-mac]

can anyone support the claim with a reference link about there being a note on the table about a light notworking. I can not find anything apart from forum discussions :-(
it is very important to be able to put it to be bed or validate it.

lets put ourselves in the situation.
if there was a broken glass on that porch nobody I know would simply leave it there.
it had to have happened no later than the night before imo otherwise sherrill would have cleaned it up. no question.
this didn't affect the workings of the light itself and Imo the note has no relevance to the porch broken cover.

it was problematic enough for "casual friends' to take it upon themselves to clean it up after all.
not just clean it up but REMOVE it from the SCENE to a different premises

way back in this thread it was discussed that there is BLOOD evidence of stacy somewhere around the front door porch area.
I shall try to locate that later if I have time today.
if somebody else doesn't beat me to it!

 

[Ozoner]

can anyone support the claim with a reference link about there being a note on the table about a light notworking. I can not find anything apart from forum discussions :-(
it is very important to be able to put it to be bed or validate it.

lets put ourselves in the situation.
if there was a broken glass on that porch nobody I know would simply leave it there.
it had to have happened no later than the night before imo otherwise sherrill would have cleaned it up. no question.
this didn't affect the workings of the light itself and Imo the note has no relevance to the porch broken cover.

it was problematic enough for "casual friends' to take it upon themselves to clean it up after all.
not just clean it up but REMOVE it from the SCENE to a different premises

way back in this thread it was discussed that there is BLOOD evidence of stacy somewhere around the front door porch area.
I shall try to locate that later if I have time today.
if somebody else doesn't beat me to it!

BBM
Some people are fussier about things like that than others. Someone I know had a broken storm window with jagged pieces of glass sticking out of it for several years before anybody got around to fixing it. (And by fixing it I mean taking the storm window off the house and tossing it in the garage; the pane still hasn't been re-glazed, and it's been at least 10 years now.)

If the broken globe is related at all, maybe it fell off and broke when the killer slammed the door. I can virtually guarantee that those women wouldn't have struggled with an armed abductor.

I still think they were murdered by one of the grave robbers, and I still think he tied them up and left them in old above-ground vaults.

 

[cherrymeg]

and you could be right....was there really glass on the porch...what 'proof' was there that a globe existed? Nigel was there the evening before, she would be able to confirm either way.

If there was a globe it could have been broken by someone that meant to unscrew the light. Was the light on and was it working? It is possible it was broken when Janelle and Mike entered the house. That would explain why they cleaned up the glass.

 

[cherrymeg]

can anyone support the claim with a reference link about there being a note on the table about a light notworking. I can not find anything apart from forum discussions :-(
it is very important to be able to put it to be bed or validate it.

lets put ourselves in the situation.
if there was a broken glass on that porch nobody I know would simply leave it there.
it had to have happened no later than the night before imo otherwise sherrill would have cleaned it up. no question.
this didn't affect the workings of the light itself and Imo the note has no relevance to the porch broken cover.

it was problematic enough for "casual friends' to take it upon themselves to clean it up after all.
not just clean it up but REMOVE it from the SCENE to a different premises

way back in this thread it was discussed that there is BLOOD evidence of stacy somewhere around the front door porch area.
I shall try to locate that later if I have time today.
if somebody else doesn't beat me to it!

With all the cars in the driveway and the TV is on, glass on the porch would just make me think, "Where is everyone?". If they walked somewhere they probably weren't in a rush and would have cleaned up the glass. Going through someone's house that you claim to not be close to and finding a broom and a bag or something to put the glass in is odd. If they were in the house why take the trash to a different place?

 

[cherrymeg]

Since Janelle (and Mike) assumed the women already went to the water park (her words not mine) perhaps Janelle got...angry. She could have broken the globe.
Just a thought...no proof except her statement. And wouldn't a reasonable person have at least flip-flops tucked in the car? It's not like they lived a mile down the road. She lived in another town. No shoes? Another thing that does not add up.

There is something off about her behavior. Janelle waited in the house and answered the phone. It sounded like she saw the purses and noticed a TV on, where did she think they were? Sherrill wasn't supposed to be at the water park and they showed up early in the morning. Even if Janelle thought they got a ride with someone else despite how everything was left, wouldn't she have expected the mom to come home?

 

[MooseMeMuch]

There is something off about her behavior. Janelle waited in the house and answered the phone. It sounded like she saw the purses and noticed a TV on, where did she think they were? Sherrill wasn't supposed to be at the water park and they showed up early in the morning. Even if Janelle thought they got a ride with someone else despite how everything was left, wouldn't she have expected the mom to come home?

You would think so. Plus to wander around someone's home, unless given an explicit invitation to do so, is almost a 'home invasion' right there.
Another thought here....did anyone see them at the house at noon?

Someone needs to 'do the right thing' and end their families agony.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

can anyone support the claim with a reference link about there being a note on the table about a light notworking. I can not find anything apart from forum discussions :-(
it is very important to be able to put it to be bed or validate it.

lets put ourselves in the situation.
if there was a broken glass on that porch nobody I know would simply leave it there.
it had to have happened no later than the night before imo otherwise sherrill would have cleaned it up. no question.
this didn't affect the workings of the light itself and Imo the note has no relevance to the porch broken cover.

it was problematic enough for "casual friends' to take it upon themselves to clean it up after all.
not just clean it up but REMOVE it from the SCENE to a different premises

way back in this thread it was discussed that there is BLOOD evidence of stacy somewhere around the front door porch area.
I shall try to locate that later if I have time today.
if somebody else doesn't beat me to it!

I've just recently read about a note on the table. I discounted it as rumor.
Exactly, nobody would just leave it there, surely a lazy lout would at least sweep it off the porch (into the bushes etc.)

And it's illegal to use a businesses dumpster. Mike should have gotten a 'fine' but I assume, nobody saw him do it.....
And where do we find info about this 'trace evidence' of Stacy's blood on the porch? Someone mentioned it before, wish I'd questioned them. Darnit! Another missed opportunity and I would not doubt it, I remember Janelle saying they 'cleaned it up so no one would cut their foot on it' which makes sense but....hmmm

I'm having difficulty, at the moment, taking J's words at face value.

From video news 'clips'/'series' LE has gone back and talked to witnesses, to see if they remember anything else. I 'assume' that means they also have a record of the person's previous testaments and see if there are inconsistencies which could lead them to the killer(s).[/QUOTE]

 

[k-mac]

And where do we find info about this 'trace evidence' of Stacy's blood on the porch? Someone mentioned it before, wish I'd questioned them. Darnit! Another missed opportunity and I would not doubt it, I remember Janelle saying they 'cleaned it up so no one would cut their foot on it' which makes sense but....hmmm

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rsbm
I remember moose it was being talked about extensively a couple of years ago.
it is VERY hard to go through the threads as there is soooooooooooooooooooo much pointless jargon and red herrings its a needle hay stack situation because somewhere along the line actual evidence became illogical to here

but it is here!!
hopefully this thread.

could only be something thrown around on websleuths however because I am not finding it on the web?.... although my technical sleuthing does leave a lot to be desired!

its a pretty solid piece of evidence if we can dig it out