Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #8

[Talullah]

That’s what Websleuths is for. Finding who all was in Sherrill and Suzie’s life + visited 1717 in those two months.

What is BBM

BBM is “bolded by me.”

 

[Betty P]

I’d like to know whose idea it was to hypnotize the woman who said she saw Suzie driving the van.

I think at that point, LE was trying to be open to every bit of evidence they could find. Identifying a suspicious vehicle that may have been used in the kidnapping was pretty important. There were other witness accounts of a van, though, that seemed more credible. The van they described was brown or dark gold, IIRC and it was driven by a man, which seems a more likely scenario.

Slightly OT - I just found another odd quote in the Spgfld News Leader of June 10, 1992:

When discussing Sherrill's past history with her ex husbands and Bartt Streeter, Kathy Kirby said "I never sensed there was much of a relationship with Bartt". How would she know? Her own daughter pretended she barely knew Suzie. I hope LE didn't take the word of these people who claimed to barely know the family. The article goes on to criticize Sherrill for not attending a graduation dinner at the Kirby's. They didn't know each other very well,it was a big party full of Kirby family. I can understand why she didn't want to attend.

10 Jun 1992, Page 4 - The Springfield News-Leader at Newspapers.com

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

In addition to Garrison being a POI, we have the other two Grand Jury 3 people. These names were leaked on Topix some years back. One was a violent man who waved a gun a man in Eldon MO some months after the disappearance, hijacked his car, and then was later caught by police in a friend's trailer with the weapon under a waterbed mattress (yes my ears perked up reading that too). A decade later he held a woman at gunpoint at a Pizza Hut. Is there a reason LE/Moore were interested in these three? Besides Garrison claiming to know what happened while in jail. I mean why listen to a random con?

Another red herring potentially by SPD? Have to wonder.

 

[Betty P]

In addition to Garrison being a POI, we have the other two Grand Jury 3 people. These names were leaked on Topix some years back. One was a violent man who waved a gun a man in Eldon MO some months after the disappearance, hijacked his car, and then was later caught by police in a friend's trailer with the weapon under a mattress. A decade later he held a woman at gunpoint at a Pizza Hut. Is there a reason LE/Moore were interested in these three? Besides Garrison claiming to know what happened while in jail. I mean why listen to a random con?

Another red herring potentially by SPD? Have to wonder.

LE said Garrison gave them details about the crime that were unknown to the public. That's why they listened to him. That's why I wanted to start a sub thread for him, just to post the known information. He's also related to some of the searches that were done. Also violently raped a woman some years ago.

From the Streeter Family Blog, quoting the Springfield News Leader

Garrison told police a friend had confessed to killing the three women during a drunken party. He told police information unknown to the public that led investigators to serve three search warrants at two sites in western Webster County; that they would find the women’s bodies and clues about their abduction and deaths. He also said a moss green van believed used to take the women would be found about 12 miles away, south of Fordland.

Perhaps his friend didn't give Garrison the details of where he disposed of the women's bodies or where the van was hidden. Perhaps the friend lied.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

LE said Garrison gave them details about the crime that were unknown to the public. That's why they listened to him. That's why I wanted to start a sub thread for him, just to post the known information. He's also related to some of the searches that were done. Also violently raped a woman some years ago.

Yes he's one of the known names the GJ called in for questioning. Along with JW, JR, and RS. All living at the same apartment complex on N. Delaware and Kearney.

JW was dating Dusty after Suzie and during the disappearance time.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

It's also possible that one of the killers was also at the parties that night and knew of her plans to return home. I'm still of the opinion that Suzie possibly called her mom and told her of their plans to come home.

I read....somewhere......that Sherrill received a call @ 11:30 that night but I never heard who it was from.
Anyone else read about an 11:30 call? It would make sense because that was around the time they traveled to the 2nd party.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

Missouri Mule claims anything he has ever said never planned out. But I have no idea if that’s true.

He must of had something at the beginning for them to buy what he was saying and do a search and gag order.

But it’s like how I don’t buy Cox saying he knows where they are buried and that he knows they are dead. That’s just common sense, I can say with certainty they are dead. That does not mean I know anything.

I agree. And wasn't the interview in '95? By that time...I assume most people were thinking the same thing.

With Garrison...it was his friend's land wasn't it? Robb?
And I'm thinking Robb was already in prison for murdering and burying a couple of people on said land. I can see why LE took Garrison's claims seriously.

 

[Talullah]

I read....somewhere......that Sherrill received a call @ 11:30 that night but I never heard who it was from.
Anyone else read about an 11:30 call? It would make sense because that was around the time they traveled to the 2nd party.

That call was from an unnamed friend about the furniture Sherril was working on.

 

[Betty P]

I’d like to know whose idea it was to hypnotize the woman who said she saw Suzie driving the van.

I think at that point, LE was trying to be open to every bit of evidence they could find. Identifying a suspicious vehicle that may have been used in the kidnapping was pretty important. There were other witness accounts of a van, though, that seemed more credible. The van they described was brown or dark gold, IIRC and it was driven by a man, which seems a more likely scenario.

 

[Betty P]

Yes he's one of the known names the GJ called in for questioning. Along with JW, JR, and RS. All living at the same apartment complex on N. Delaware and Kearney.

JW was dating Dusty after Suzie and during the disappearance time.

Are you saying Garrison lived in the same apartment complex as the others? Just making sure to be clear about that.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

Saying SPD “did all they could” is hard to swallow from a department that succeeded only in getting in the way.

I believe SPD did the best they could with what they had to work with, to include the personnel who had never experienced anything of that magnitude. And yes, I heard it was micromanaged and information wasn't shared adequately but it wasn't for lack of dedication and wanting to find the women.
I like detective Asher and I believe he did everything within his power to figure it out.
Criticizing SPD won't solve anything.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

Are you saying Garrison lived in the same apartment complex as the others? Just making sure to be clear about that.

He lived with JR, well as they dated. I think he bounced around between his sister's (Pam) and JR's apartment. Who shared one with RS. And JR's daughter JW, who dated Recla, lived with them eventually when JR broke up with Garrison.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

For those not liking the SPD criticism as much as me, I advise you, if you have time, to read this theory/summary on Reddit about the case by user Max_Trollbot:

KNOWN UNKNOWNS: My theory on the Springfield three : UnresolvedMysteries

Lots of old Websleuths citations!

 

[MooseMeMuch]

Slightly OT - I just found another odd quote in the Spgfld News Leader of June 10, 1992:

When discussing Sherrill's past history with her ex husbands and Bartt Streeter, Kathy Kirby said "I never sensed there was much of a relationship with Bartt". How would she know? Her own daughter pretended she barely knew Suzie. I hope LE didn't take the word of these people who claimed to barely know the family. The article goes on to criticize Sherrill for not attending a graduation dinner at the Kirby's. They didn't know each other very well,it was a big party full of Kirby family. I can understand why she didn't want to attend."

I read Kathy's remark concerning Bartt and Sherrill's relationship (awhile back) and thought....wow, how insensitive. He just lost his mother. What an unkind thing to say. Kinda helps explain Janelle's bizarre behavior.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

For those not liking the SPD criticism as much as me, I advise you, if you have time, to read this theory/summary on Reddit about the case by user Max_Trollbot:

KNOWN UNKNOWNS: My theory on the Springfield three : UnresolvedMysteries

Lots of old Websleuths citations!

My bro's a retired officer so yeah, I'm sensitive to SPD criticism that takes place here and gets us nowhere fast.

 

[SweetMeat]

Honestly I skimmed through the last few pages. This thread has been moving really fast, as it should.

I've said this a hundred times I think. The women could have been followed home from George's. The perps could have watched and waited for the women to get ready for bed, and then invaded the home.

I still am completly convinced that the front porch lady was being truthful about the van she saw. She may have not got the color and other detail right, but that does not mean she did not see a van with suzie crying and driving it. These are the only clues in this case that actually make sense.

I think the porch lady/van sighting can be thrown out. SPD should have done that rather than making it the public focus. It’s not credible, doesn’t make any sense in the scenario that SPD wants to put forth.

But all the reports say that the woman were known to make their beds when they got up. Sherrill was a neat freak so the fact her room was a mess was very out of character and the same for Suzie. I have given suzie’s room leave-way as it was graduation night so it’s safe to think she changed her mind about what she would wear a million times and that’s why it wasn’t as clean as normal. Sherrill had no such reason imo

The “friends” that showed up at the house had never been to that residence prior. How the hell did they k ow their housekeeping habits?

More staging by those that have answers to questions that could solve this case IMHO.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

My bro's a retired officer so yeah, I'm sensitive to SPD criticism that takes place here and gets us nowhere fast.

Where was he an officer? At SPD, Greene County? Somewhere else? J/w.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

For those who think Janelle or Mike had a hand in this crime, I have to ask, what plausible scenario is there? They had eyes on them from many parties. One of the dozens and dozens of people that would have known about this would have flipped by now, yes?

Where are 18 year old kids hiding bodies? Where is the murder weapon? This whole theory falls apart quickly once logic is applied.

Their behavior was weird but I doubt they had a direct hand in kidnapping. What's the motive? Jealousy over Suzie and Stacy hanging out? I don't think she did it. I followed her and her ex husband Mike (the one who helped her clean up) on FB for awhile now and I see nothing that tells me she's involved.

Better yet, Detective Asher himself comments on many of her public Facebook photos. What would you have to say about that? You can go see for yourself.

 

[Betty P]

For those not liking the SPD criticism as much as me, I advise you, if you have time, to read this theory/summary on Reddit about the case by user Max_Trollbot:

KNOWN UNKNOWNS: My theory on the Springfield three : UnresolvedMysteries

Lots of old Websleuths citations!

It's interesting, but I'm still not convinced.

If a police officer abducted them, how was he able to be out and about, abducting three women, taking them to a remote location, killing them and disposing of their bodies with no one noticing their absence back at the PD? Officers are required to check in regularly. Springfield isn't a really big town, officers see each other and communicate among themselves and with dispatch while on duty. How long would the officer and patrol car be MIA in this scenario? At least a couple of hours.

Then we get back to motive - why would a cop commit such a crime? Wouldn't there be some signs of odd behavior or prior incidents?

All it would have taken to control the 3 women and make them leave the home quickly and quietly would be a gun held to someone's head.

The suggestion in the LE profile that one of the perps was someone known to them addresses that scenario. It had to be someone they knew to get them to open the door. I notice some others replying in that Reddit thread made the same argument. I noticed many of the commenters still assume the dog, Cinnamon, was locked in the bathroom. I thought that was debunked in Janelle's interview when she said the dog jumped into her arms when she opened the front door.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

It's interesting, but I'm still not convinced.

If a police officer abducted them, how was he able to be out and about, abducting three women, taking them to a remote location, killing them and disposing of their bodies with no one noticing their absence back at the PD? Officers are required to check in regularly. Springfield isn't a big really big town, officers see each other and communicate among themselves and with dispatch while on duty. How long would the officer and patrol car be MIA in this scenario? At least a couple of hours.

Then we get back to motive - why would a cop commit such a crime? Wouldn't there be some signs of odd behavior or prior incidents?

Yeah but who is going to report that behavior? Grave Robbers, Mike/Janelle, Cox, etc. are all suspects why? Because of SPD/Media. Odds alone are in the favor of a "not talked about name." There is a lot of information not released to the media. There are a lot of people that visited that Delmar house no one even mentions.

I believe SPD's inconsistencies and investigation tactics and red herrings are cause for concern.

After Golden State Killer, why not? It's been 26 years. Some small group did this and got away with it. I often wonder if any suspects happen to be dead at this point to keep it so quiet.