Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #8

[Missouri Mule]

Why would LE want 3 woman dead?

Also how can we sleuth somebody who has never been named in the case?

Read back and see who has posted here. You may find his screen name there. He is not an active poster although it is possible he has registered under a different screen name.

I’m not naming anyone. I had the sheriff show up at my doorstep because someone was named on a private, unsecured discussion site. Fortunately I talked my way out of that mess. I doubt he was involved in any event.

 

[Betty P]

Why would LE want 3 woman dead?

Also how can we sleuth somebody who has never been named in the case?

Agree. While I'm not shy about looking into LE involvement in cold cases, I'm just not seeing why any one of these three women would be a threat. The only thing close to that would be Stacy's upcoming testimony against the grave robbers, but did she really have any kind of information that could implicate an LEO? JMO, the only possibility would be if her testimony included information about drug trafficking circles that the grave robbers were connected to.

There were past rumors about Sherrill being involved with similar people, but that seems unlikely. Her friends said she wasn't very social, didn't date much, wasn't dating anyone at the time. She spent most of her time at home, according to Janet Oliveras her long-time roommate. They can't rule out any theory, but that one seems very unlikely. JMO.

 

[beebosox]

He has never been named.

Discussed here, sans name?

 

[Talullah]

Other than not knowing who’s responsible after all this time why do people think their disappearances had to have been planned?

 

[asyousay]

Not really IMO. I think the cops were just thrashing about using what they thought were logical places to look.

I believed the police were poorly served by upper management. Still do. Recently read that the Missouri State Highway Patrol (a highly respected police force) offered to lend help and several computers but were turned down. Instead the police worked off 3x5 cards and “tips” that had information called in. Many were bogus and a waste of time. I was personally told by one of the troopers their help was declined.

What intrigues me the most is how the original profile seems to indicate multiple suspects. The latest, to my knowledge, only refers to the “kidnapper.”

My recollection is that this case was presented to a national task force over 2-3 days and every detail was scrutinized. Nothing came of it.

At this time several women came up missing or dead. At least one was attributed to Gerald Carnahan who is serving life for the murder of Jackie John’s brutal slaying. Several others were believed to be of his doing.

I worked with his wife for several years and he would come into the office many times to check on his alibi witness, her daughter, who came in frequently. She was quite pleasant but it was fairly obvious she was his “trophy” wife. He was wealthy and she could buy whatever she wished.

Do I think he murdered these women? No.

I think it was a single male predator who hung around those graduation parties and followed them home. If Sherrill was the target, there were at least 3,5 hours before the girls arrived to grab her.

One of my theory’s is that the van parked up that a paper boy/girl saw the next road over from the house had followed them home that morning and was giving them enough time to get into bed and then would ambush them. But my problem with that idea is if this was a random person surely seeing the 3rd car would put them off as for all they knew it could be a 250 lb male that was also home that night.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

Other than not knowing who’s responsible after all this time why do people think their disappearances had to have been planned?

-Because of Sherrill leaving and looking for her daughter. (Apco sighting).
-Because it's three people at once (name another case similar--even Ariel Castro took his three victims at different times)
-Because of how clean the crime scene was
-Because 26 years have gone by with nothing to show for it publicly. (keyword: publicly)
-James Wright, famed FBI profiler, suggesting the perp(s) knew the comings and goings at 1717 Delmar

 

[asyousay]

I still think if we can figure out WHY that night then you would get closer to solving it.

If the house was being watched for weeks then why would you pick that night with a extra car in the drive way?

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

I still think if we can figure out WHY that night then you would get closer to solving it.

If the house was being watched for weeks then why would you pick that night with a extra car in the drive way?

Stacy wasn't expected, at any rate. Possibly why the presumed murder happened at another location.

That's the one random/pivotal thing in this, I believe.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

Maybe timing had something to do with it. This happened not long before sunrise when it seems it’d be harder to creep around with 3 unwilling women.

Good point.....I like the 'creep around'....great visual.
My son's quite stealthy but....dragging me and his sister anywhere unwillingly, would be a task and he'd get irritated. Probably shoot us both on the spot. This perp(s) was either very patient or the women went willingly, MOO.
Sure wish that glass hadn't been swept up. Guess Janelle/Mike didn't see anything suggesting drag markings.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

I still think if we can figure out WHY that night then you would get closer to solving it.

If the house was being watched for weeks then why would you pick that night with a extra car in the drive way?

Exactly......why that particular night?
Once again, IMO, they would all be alive today, if they had stayed home that night vs partying.

I'm not convinced anyone was the 'target' b/c each woman could have been abducted at any time.
It sure would have been a lot easier.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

Exactly......why that particular night?
Once again, IMO, they would all be alive today, if they had stayed home that night vs partying.

I'm not convinced anyone was the 'target' b/c each woman could have been abducted at any time.
It sure would have been a lot easier.

Sounds a lot like a certain 'Monkey''s opinion I've heard over at Topix.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

Sounds a lot like a certain 'Monkey''s opinion I've heard over at Topix.

Haha, no I've never posted on Topix.
Who is this 'Monkey' you speak of? We're of like-mind I take it? Cool
Is he on here you think or just Topix?

 

[cherrymeg]

Three people went missing and it has stayed a secret for 26 years.

Or has it? There might be a reason people close to this case aren't talking. They have children. They have a life. Why talk if it gets you killed?

Consider this Wright statement:
The abduction leader probably was an acquaintance "who may have known their comings and goings," he said.
Secondary players may fear going to police because they think the primary culprit would retaliate, he said.
But anyone withholding information probably is feeling strong anxiety, he added.
"If you think you don't feel good about it now, don't think it's going to get any better. Don't think it's going to go away," Wright said.

^^The bolded above is why I think no one says anything. Retaliation from the perps.

Having kids is a reason to come forward. You wouldn't want this to happen to your daughter. Also things that you feared as a teen don't carry the same importance when you are an adult.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

Having kids is a reason to come forward. You wouldn't want this to happen to your daughter. Also things that you feared as a teen don't carry the same importance when you are an adult.

Maybe.

But I disagree. If someone with pull did this, you may not be able to go to the cops knowing what they are capable of.

There's a reason someone hasn't stepped forward. There's a reason someone is scared to. Regardless of personal morals each one of us have. There's a reason Wright said "retaliation" in his profile. But there's other reasons besides children to not talk.

 

[Ozoner]

Johnny Cross Recla. You can go find him on Facebook. He's FB friends with Mike Henson too.

Grave Robbers didn't do this. Mike and Dusty were cleared. They had an alibi. They were at the Cyanide Rainbow show then at Mike's sister Cathe's house for the remainder of the night. I believe two people verified this fact. The CR show let out around bar close at 2AM.

Just because someone did a stupid thing as a kid, doesn't make them triple abduction/murderers. I believe Mike and Dusty may have some knowledge of some things they are keeping close to the vest. But I do not think they are guilty.

You won't find the answers in newspaper clippings.

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You seem to be working awfully hard to persuade people--three posts in a row might be close to a record--but I remain unconvinced.
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Grave robbing isn't a minor crime. It violates social mores that go way beyond the law. Those guys were and are major creeps. Anyone who would rob a grave would do anything. I believe that at least one of the grave robbers most likely abducted and murdered the women.
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The two men's leaving an establishment at 2:00 is meaningless because the crime was likely committed much later than that. That fact, even if true, contributes nothing to their alibis.
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As for the rest of the alibi, you may choose to believe the grave robber's sister, but I do not; I don't think many other people do, either.
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And we haven't even addressed the third grave robber. It's possible that he acted alone in abducting and murdering the women. It's also possible that one or more of the grave robbers got a relative to do their dirty work for them.

 

[k-mac]

The connections are weak. The girls went to school with 1200 other students. You can connect anyone to anyone in a town of 120k or so in 1992.

I can connect Mike Henson to anyone in Springfield if I really tried. It's the magnitude of the connections that are important. You can connect a lot of people to Dusty. Means little if you can't find meaning in it.

Classic correlation does not equal causation.

the connections are weak????

what compared to a boogie man just passing by in the night??

well since you are so informed at telling us all what isn't and who isn't involved in the case how about you bring something constructive like a who and a what is involved to support your claims of innocence???

because without it your opinion is no stronger or validated than anyone elses.

 

[Talullah]

Mike’s friendship with a grave robber combined with his behavior the day of the disappearance makes that particular connection way more unique.

 

[Missouri Mule]

-Because of Sherrill leaving and looking for her daughter. (Apco sighting).
-Because it's three people at once (name another case similar--even Ariel Castro took his three victims at different times)
-Because of how clean the crime scene was
-Because 26 years have gone by with nothing to show for it publicly. (keyword: publicly)
-James Wright, famed FBI profiler, suggesting the perp(s) knew the comings and goings at 1717 Delmar

How long ago did Wright say that? On what basis did he make statement?

I would ask him today if he still believes that.

Until I see something to the contrary it is that one very demented male predator committed this crime. IMO, he was cruising the parties looking for some young woman to get what he wanted.

He could have blended in with the other party goers. All he had to do was follow them home where they surely arrived. That is no longer in doubt.

I think Suzie was his target and was much more susceptible to a single socially maladjusted male predator. I don’t see Stacy as being prone to buying into that kind of clumsy come-on.

 

[cherrymeg]

Maybe.

But I disagree. If someone with pull did this, you may not be able to go to the cops knowing what they are capable of.

There's a reason someone hasn't stepped forward. There's a reason someone is scared to. Regardless of personal morals each one of us have. There's a reason Wright said "retaliation" in his profile. But there's other reasons besides children to not talk.

If I thought someone was going to retaliate against me the best way to prevent it is to let everyone know who you are scared of and why. Not just here, tell everyone. Make it so if anything happens to you it confirms that you were right.

 

[Talullah]

How long ago did Wright say that? On what basis did he make statement?

I would ask him today if he still believes that.

Until I see something to the contrary it is that one very demented male predator committed this crime. IMO, he was cruising the parties looking for some young woman to get what he wanted.

He could have blended in with the other party goers. All he had to do was follow them home where they surely arrived. That is no longer in doubt.

I think Suzie was his target and was much more susceptible to a single socially maladjusted male predator. I don’t see Stacy as being prone to buying into that kind of clumsy come-on.

I’d think Stacy would be more susceptible to clumsy come-ons since Suzie had boyfriends and Stacy had only dated a little. Wouldn’t Suzie have been more street wise since she allegedly ran with a rougher crowd?