Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #8

[HmmWhoKnows]

Mike’s friendship with a grave robber combined with his behavior the day of the disappearance makes that particular connection way more unique.

Robbing graves is an egregious crime. Doesn't make someone a kidnapper and murderer. Saying stupid comments to a jerk cop also does not make you a kidnapper or murderer. You have to prove these things.

If you want to rehash this angle, feel free. But they have an alibi that two former FBI agents cleared. SPD officers like Webb and former DA Moore made statements saying otherwise, but Knowles and Den Ouden didn't like them for this. Even Asher cleared them.

FWIW Moore's statements to the 2017 NL video series and Crime Watch Daily show are slightly different than statements he made in 1992. And like I said before, Webb's statements are a little off. The tape and articles are there if you want to dispute that. Obviously someone has access to them if John Recla is popping up on here. Type in "Mark Webb" and then watch Disappeared. Tell me if you see his conflicting statements. It's plain as day.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

Sorry posted twice

 

[cherrymeg]

Sorry posted twice

Alibis and witness statements sometime prove unreliable, when people start telling the truth. Do you have a personal investment in the grave robbers not being connected to this crime? Are you one of them or related to them?

 

[Missouri Mule]

I haven’t verified this but was told that the vandalism was downgraded to “instutional vandalism” as there were no surviving relatives.

No way to know for sure but having literally hundred of private and public messages with Clay, I don’t see him as involved. Unfortunately Recla has been mute. But I don’t see him involved as well. The third one from Illinois wasn’t even in town so far as I know.

To be blunt we are running out of suspects in my opinion.

 

[cherrymeg]

I haven’t verified this but was told that the vandalism was downgraded to “instutional vandalism” as there were no surviving relatives.

No way to know for sure but having literally hundred of private and public messages with Clay, I don’t see him as involved. Unfortunately Recla has been mute. But I don’t see him involved as well. The third one from Illinois wasn’t even in town so far as I know.

To be blunt we are running out of suspects in my opinion.

That makes it sound unsolvable and I don't believe that. I feel like you want us convinced that this crime can't be solved.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

Alibis and witness statements sometime prove unreliable, when people start telling the truth. Do you have a personal investment in the grave robbers not being connected to this crime? Are you one of them or related to them?

No relation and no personal investment.

I do not think they did this. Personal investigation into this has led me to believe that. It's possible they have a connection or know something about someone close to this. But I do not think they committed the crime.

If you want to work that theory, feel free.

 

[SweetMeat]

You guys need to study the SPD released statement in 2012 and the James Wright (FBI) statement in 1992.

This is the 2012 SPD statement:
"The kidnapper clearly spent a considerable amount of time out and about from late at night on Saturday, June 6, 1992, into the morning of Sunday, June 7, 1992. The kidnapper had to have been unaccounted for at the time of the crime. Someone who knew or lived with the kidnapper in 1992 likely would have been aware of this fact. In addition, in order to explain his whereabouts on the night of the crime, the kidnapper may have fabricated a story regarding his activities.

Around the time of the crime, the kidnapper may have spent a considerable amount of time in, or may otherwise have been familiar with, the area of the crime, and he may have frequently been out and about at odd hours. The kidnapper also may have developed an interest in the victims.

People who know the kidnapper may not believe he is capable of committing this type of crime, and he may not have a history of committing crimes of violence"
Bolded important parts above^^

Not interested in what SPD had to say at the time so no need to review a failed investigation. Personally I believe they d&$k this up from the beginning.
That’s why this is being discussed today.

 

[cherrymeg]

No relation and no personal investment.

I do not think they did this. Personal investigation into this has led me to believe that. It's possible they have a connection or know something about someone close to this. But I do not think they committed the crime.

If you want to work that theory, feel free.

Do you have a theory about did happen? I think a lot of people might know what happened or suspect what happened, but don't have proof to go to police with. Also if other illegal things occured that night teenagers might not have been interested in talking to the police. If you have a suspect, who is it. You didn't kill or kidnap Suzie, Stacy, or Sherrill, did you?

 

[cherrymeg]

Not interested in what SPD had to say at the time so no need to review a failed investigation. Personally I believe they d&$k this up from the beginning.
That’s why this is being discussed today.

That also seemed like a very general statement meant to ask for the public's help. I don't think it was based on actual evidence.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

That also seemed like a very general statement meant to ask for the public's help. I don't think it was based on actual evidence.

I respectfully disagree.

Please read James Wright's book and other cases he helped solve all over the country. He's an elite profiler.

He also gave this profile based on totality of information. Which is evidence.

 

[Missouri Mule]

That makes it sound unsolvable and I don't believe that. I feel like you want us convinced that this crime can't be solved.

I very much want this crime solved.

 

[Talullah]

Do you have a theory about did happen? I think a lot of people might know what happened or suspect what happened, but don't have proof to go to police with. Also if other illegal things occured that night teenagers might not have been interested in talking to the police. If you have a suspect, who is it. You didn't kill or kidnap Suzie, Stacy, or Sherrill, did you?

Cherrymeg-I totally agree! A lot of people probably do know what happened. There are several unsolved murders in my small town and people know or have a good idea of what happened but don’t talk out of fear, not wanting to get involved and/or retaliation.
Graduation is a big deal. It wouldn’t surprise me if people did drugs at the parties. That along with the disappearances could easily have made people skittish and not wanting to answer questions.

 

[cherrymeg]

I respectfully disagree.

Please read James Wright's book and other cases he helped solve all over the country. He's an elite profiler.

He also gave this profile based on totality of information. Which is evidence.

So you didn't do it or you did and the profile is accurate?

 

[cherrymeg]

I very much want this crime solved.

Then can you please stop insisting people are wrong or that their questions aren't important because you have inside info. This case deserves attention. I really believe it can be solved. Don't discourage people from posting.

 

[Talullah]

The perp has to be a nervous wreck with people across the country discussing what they did all those years ago. I’d hate to be in their shoes.

 

[Talullah]

One of my theory’s is that the van parked up that a paper boy/girl saw the next road over from the house had followed them home that morning and was giving them enough time to get into bed and then would ambush them. But my problem with that idea is if this was a random person surely seeing the 3rd car would put them off as for all they knew it could be a 250 lb male that was also home that night.

My newspaper carrier knew everything that went on in my neighborhood. He knew my neighbor’s cars, their habits, if they had company, where they parked.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

So you didn't do it or you did and the profile is accurate?

Are you okay?

Why are you being so obnoxiously combative?

 

[cherrymeg]

My newspaper carrier knew everything that went on in my neighborhood. He knew my neighbor’s cars, their habits, if they had company, where they parked.

I don't think I'm that observant. I didn't notice when my dad got a new car I thought it was a neighbor parking in front of the house. Did they check to make sure the van didn't belong to a guest staying at a neighbor's house. The porch sighting doesn't seem as reliable as other sightings that were ignored.

 

[cherrymeg]

Are you okay?

Why are you being so obnoxiously combative?

I feel like you are trying to deter people from posting. That's not cool.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

I feel like you are trying to deter people from posting. That's not cool.

Well you’re wrong.

Do you always ask people with theories that differ from yours if they committed the crime?

That’s weird.

 

[Talullah]

I don't think I'm that observant. I didn't notice when my dad got a new car I thought it was a neighbor parking in front of the house. Did they check to make sure the van didn't belong to a guest staying at a neighbor's house. The porch sighting doesn't seem as reliable as other sightings that were ignored.

He (newspaper carrier) said he was especially aware of his surroundings on Sunday mornings because as early as he was out, there was still a good bit of foot traffic. One morning when someone tried to get in my house he stopped by when I was outside talking to the the cops. They did ask him if he’d seen anyone or anything suspicious. It’s creepy to think about.