Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #8

[flute4peace]

Thank you for answering my questions, MM.

 

[Tuffgong]

Janelle was close friends with Stacy, not Suzie. Every indication was that Janelle had never visited Suzie where she used to live or where Suzie and her mother had recently moved to. Yet, Janelle and Mike enter Suzie's house and hang out there, with nobody home? Answer phone calls, which establish a possible sexual motivation? Clean up broken glass that was most likely evidence? Don't contact police, even though they say themselves that something was wrong? Read the transcripts, Janelle refers to Suzie as the "other girl." I don't believe that Janelle was in on the crime, however, I sense she could have been pressured to cover up. I think Janelle might have serious guilt about that. It is incredible what our minds can rationalize and cover up in order to deal with such guilt. She very well could have suppressed any culpability years ago. She could be terrified of friends and family knowing she played an indirect role in such a horrible crime. She has many reasons to cover up a mistake she made years ago.

 

[Missouri Mule]

Janelle was close friends with Stacy, not Suzie. Every indication was that Janelle had never visited Suzie where she used to live or where Suzie and her mother had recently moved to. Yet, Janelle and Mike enter Suzie's house and hang out there, with nobody home? Answer phone calls, which establish a possible sexual motivation? Clean up broken glass that was most likely evidence? Don't contact police, even though they say themselves that something was wrong? Read the transcripts, Janelle refers to Suzie as the "other girl." I don't believe that Janelle was in on the crime, however, I sense she could have been pressured to cover up. I think Janelle might have serious guilt about that. It is incredible what our minds can rationalize and cover up in order to deal with such guilt. She very well could have suppressed any culpability years ago. She could be terrified of friends and family knowing she played an indirect role in such a horrible crime. She has many reasons to cover up a mistake she made years ago.

So the murders were for what reason? I’m sorry but I don’t see where you are going with this.

 

[asyousay]

I saw this quote from a friend ken suzies

I was friends with Suzie and she was suppose to go out with us after graduation... Instead she chose to hang out with her friends that she had known since elementary school. We all thought that was weird, but whatever, we'll see her tomorrow... Suzie and I planned on going to cosmetology school together and move in together. When I heard the next day that they were missing, I was in disbelief...

I thought Suzie was planning to go to Branson that night and stay in a hotel so why was she so delayed in cancelling plans with her other friends. It seems like she cancelled with them very last minute which makes no sense if she was planning to spend the night in a hotel?

Who confirmed the Branson hotel story as it seems like so many plans changed that night?

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

Back to the SPD and red herrings...

Anyone know why the cops didn't call everyone on Sherrill's salon rolodex? I believe Missouri Mule was personal friends with some of the people on the client list and they were never contacted by SPD.

Want to tell me again that this is just a department full of farmer Johns and Barney Fifes or do you think they didn't contact and instead thought spray painting vans and chasing birds were a better use of time?

I'll hang up and listen.

 

[scadagirl28]

Back to the SPD and red herrings...

Anyone know why the cops didn't call everyone on Sherrill's salon rolodex? I believe Missouri Mule was personal friends with some of the people on the client list and they were never contacted by SPD.

Want to tell me again that this is just a department full of farmer Johns and Barney Fifes or do you think they didn't contact and instead thought spray painting vans and chasing birds were a better use of time?

I'll hang up and listen.

The crime scene was severely contaminated. There is only so much you can do if you can't put DNA and fingerprints to someone. You have to rely on timelines and alibis and people or persons doing the right thing.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

Yes "only so much we can do"

There's only one group of people responsible for that narrative as well.

 

[asyousay]

Back to the SPD and red herrings...

Anyone know why the cops didn't call everyone on Sherrill's salon rolodex? I believe Missouri Mule was personal friends with some of the people on the client list and they were never contacted by SPD.

Want to tell me again that this is just a department full of farmer Johns and Barney Fifes or do you think they didn't contact and instead thought spray painting vans and chasing birds were a better use of time?

I'll hang up and listen.

So you think LE should of contacted every single person Sherrill ever came into contact with?

I thought I read that Sherrill had over 200 clients so that’s a hell of a lot of man power you would need to question over 200 people who more than likely didn’t have anything to do with the crime.

Mule said there was very few men in the Rolodex as well.

But we do agree on the fact that type of van was a red herring and the colour of it.

 

[scadagirl28]

Yes "only so much we can do"

There's only one group of people responsible for that narrative as well.

The Cold Case Team who looked at it in 2012, the F.B.I profilers or SPD or all three ?

 

[asyousay]

I always think it’s such a cop out to think a case is corrupt when it’s not solved.

LE were probably in over their head as they wasn’t used to such a high profile case but the entire crime scene was destroyed before they was even called out. That is what stopped this case from being solved. Any credible evidence destroyed by the bus load of people who went into a unlocked house.

 

[Missouri Mule]

Back to the SPD and red herrings...

Anyone know why the cops didn't call everyone on Sherrill's salon rolodex? I believe Missouri Mule was personal friends with some of the people on the client list and they were never contacted by SPD.

Want to tell me again that this is just a department full of farmer Johns and Barney Fifes or do you think they didn't contact and instead thought spray painting vans and chasing birds were a better use of time?

I'll hang up and listen.

Just one.

 

[Missouri Mule]

So you think LE should of contacted every single person Sherrill ever came into contact with?

I thought I read that Sherrill had over 200 clients so that’s a hell of a lot of man power you would need to question over 200 people who more than likely didn’t have anything to do with the crime.

Mule said there was very few men in the Rolodex as well.

But we do agree on the fact that type of van was a red herring and the colour of it.

I don’t believe there were more, if that many, than 10 men on the list. Carnahan would be an ideal client but she couldn’t have been unaware of his sordid history.

So far as I know there were exactly 221 clients on the Rolodex plus my two co—workers for a total of 223. However, I have seen zero evidence any were actually contacted.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

I always think it’s such a cop out to think a case is corrupt when it’s not solved.

LE were probably in over their head as they wasn’t used to such a high profile case but the entire crime scene was destroyed before they was even called out. That is what stopped this case from being solved. Any credible evidence destroyed by the bus load of people who went into a unlocked house.

Everyone thinks that, it works in the favor of the agency performing their jobs terribly.

There is no need to white knight for SPD.

Follow any high profile case in other towns of similar sizes and geopolitics. None of them operate the way SPD operated during this case.

 

[asyousay]

Everyone thinks that, it works in the favor of the agency performing their jobs terribly.

There is no need to white knight for SPD.

Follow any high profile case in other towns of similar sizes and geopolitics. None of them operate the way SPD operated during this case.

I will have to take your word on it as I live in London so the way a lot of cases work in smaller towns in America makes my head hurt. Some of the police forces seem so incompetent compared to the way things work in the UK.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

I will have to take your word on it as I live in London so the way a lot of cases work in smaller towns in America makes my head hurt. Some of the police forces seem so incompetent compared to the way things work in the UK.

No worries.

It's an odd case!

 

[Tuffgong]

So the murders were for what reason? I’m sorry but I don’t see where you are going with this.

No, I did not in anyway imply that is why the murders happened. I have stated my opinion on why the murders happened, I believe associates of the three teens, who were connected in regards to criminal enterprises, feared that the teens would try to deal their way out, and either moved on Stacy or had the teens move on Stacy. Then Mike was told to check on crime scene.

 

[asyousay]

I can definitely invision the perp/perps ringing the house that morning just to see if somebody had discovered the women were missing.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

No, I did not in anyway imply that is why the murders happened. I have stated my opinion on why the murders happened, I believe associates of the three teens, who were connected in regards to criminal enterprises, feared that the teens would try to deal their way out, and either moved on Stacy or had the teens move on Stacy. Then Mike was told to check on crime scene.

I feel like some of this stuff sounds like the movies.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

I can definitely invision the perp/perps ringing the house that morning just to see if somebody had discovered the women were missing.

I don't. The perps were smart enough to get them away from that house and to a new location. They ran from that crime scene with a wish and a prayer that nothing led back to them.

They tracked one of the calls to a known prankster, didn't they? I believe Hurricane posted that info in a previous thread.

And it was graduation time. Very likely it could have been Deb, Cliff, etc. calling to talk to and congratulate Suzie. Or Nigel calling since they had plans that weekend as well.

 

[Missouri Mule]

I can definitely invision the perp/perps ringing the house that morning just to see if somebody had discovered the women were missing.

In previous threads I raised that as a very real possibility. It would assist in making the “getaway.” It also raises another question.

How did he know the phone number? That should also be answered.