Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #8

[MooseMeMuch]

The idea that the Kirbys kidnapped these women and came by in the morning to clean and stage the crime scene is just plum rediculus.

We need better ideas folks.

Until this case is solved MOO......any scenario is possible.
And some scenarios on here are pretty bizarre-o but so is 3 women going missing from their home in the middle of the night......never to be heard from again.

 

[Deleted member 227458]

Three Missing Women: Ten Years Later - Part 3 of 5

An old but interesting article...from the linked article, SABBMFF:

"As a favor" to Suzie's mom, Janelle's boyfriend Mike grabbed a broom, swept up the glass and dumped it in the garbage.
A decade later, authorities view that broken glass as a possible clue to the disappearance of McCall, Streeter and Sherrill Levitt on June 7, 1992. Back then it was an annoyance that could have cut Janelle's feet.
And as Janelle peered into the house through the living room window, Mike unknowingly discarded the only piece of evidence in what appears to be a kidnapping and triple murder

The only part of JK's story I believe is that she and M went through the house and cleaned up the next day. Now THAT, I believe. It may also be true that M cleaned up the scene "as a favor." Just not as a favor to Suzie's mom, IMO.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Blizzar? YES! But did the Kirbys do it? I would say very unlikely. So post after post of people accusing the Kirbys is not helpful, but hurting what were trying to do, and that's find out what happened to these women.

I don't think anyone here is accusing the Kirby family per se. But you can't just discount JK and MH's actions and stories. As well as whether or not KK covered for something she knew her daughter purposely or by happenstance, got herself involved in that night, by providing her with an alibi. That's all that's being debated here.

 

[MAVLEY]

Blizzar? YES! But did the Kirbys do it? I would say very unlikely. So post after post of people accusing the Kirbys is not helpful, but hurting what were trying to do, and that's find out what happened to these women.

I don't believe everyone is saying that the Kirby's carried out the actual crime. I think it is more of an indication that Janelle and Mike possibly know more than what has been said so far. As far as them actually carrying out the crime, I agree with you, it is a ridiculous scenario (not saying it can't be true but seems far fetched) Janelle and Mike knowing more than what they have led on is a lot more believable.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Three Missing Women: Ten Years Later - Part 3 of 5

An old but interesting article...from the linked article, SABBMFF:

"As a favor" to Suzie's mom, Janelle's boyfriend Mike grabbed a broom, swept up the glass and dumped it in the garbage.
A decade later, authorities view that broken glass as a possible clue to the disappearance of McCall, Streeter and Sherrill Levitt on June 7, 1992. Back then it was an annoyance that could have cut Janelle's feet.
And as Janelle peered into the house through the living room window, Mike unknowingly discarded the only piece of evidence in what appears to be a kidnapping and triple murder

The only part of JK's story I believe is that she and M went through the house and cleaned up the next day. Now THAT, I believe. It may also be true that M cleaned up the scene "as a favor." Just not as a favor to Suzie's mom, IMO.

I've never been comfortable with the way she said that, "We cleaned up the glass, to do a nice thing. Sherrill would have cleaned it up the moment it hit the ground". "We went over to the house, We'd never been there before", "They were all Happy and Bubbly", "That Other Girl". None of it sound right. Sounds like someone over explaining to me, and someone who's talking on the fly.

 

[Missouri Mule]

What is the motive that would involve the Kirby’s?

So far as I know Stacy was one of her best friends, if not her best friend.

I’m willing to keep an open mind but there is usually a motive unless this was some kind of thrill killing. I’ve also seen that theory advanced.

 

[MAVLEY]

What is the motive that would involve the Kirby’s?

So far as I know Stacy was one of her best friends, if not her best friend.

I’m willing to keep an open mind but there is usually a motive unless this was some kind of thrill killing. I’ve also seen that theory advanced.

IMO, I don't think the Kirby's did anything involved in the kidnapping. I am thinking along the lines that maybe MH knew something and either told JK about it or she overheard MH talking about it. She is now either too scared to say anything because she isn't supposed to know, or she is too scared that whoever did it would come after her next.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

Blizzar? YES! But did the Kirbys do it? I would say very unlikely. So post after post of people accusing the Kirbys is not helpful, but hurting what were trying to do, and that's find out what happened to these women.

Everyone has a right to their opinion, thoughts and views.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

What is the motive that would involve the Kirby’s?

So far as I know Stacy was one of her best friends, if not her best friend.

I’m willing to keep an open mind but there is usually a motive unless this was some kind of thrill killing. I’ve also seen that theory advanced.

Hadn't thought of a 'thrill killing'...

Suzie and Stacy were 'accidental' deaths, no motive.
Sherrill? Shut her up b/c she found out and freaked out, accusing someone(s) of murder...that 'someone' is the missing piece.

Bottom line for me: If JK had called Mrs. McCall, when JK and MH had discovered the women were gone but personal effects remained, I would feel much more confident there was no subterfuge, of any kind, involved.

 

[MAVLEY]

I don't think it was a thrill kill. The timing was too specific IMO. They waiting until Stacy and Suzy got there before anything happened.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

I've never been comfortable with the way she said that, "We cleaned up the glass, to do a nice thing. Sherrill would have cleaned it up the moment it hit the ground". "We went over to the house, We'd never been there before", "They were all Happy and Bubbly", "That Other Girl". None of it sound right. Sounds like someone over explaining to me, and someone who's talking on the fly.

'the other girl's house' to me, does not equate 'close'

She may have been closer to Stacy but would JK barge into the McCall's house like that?
Seriously doubt it. Mrs. McCall strikes me as a person who has 'boudaries'.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

I don't think anyone here is accusing the Kirby family per se. But you can't just discount JK and MH's actions and stories. As well as whether or not KK covered for something she knew her daughter purposely or by happenstance, got herself involved in that night, by providing her with an alibi. That's all that's being debated here.

Thank you and I believe in 'happenstance'.

 

[SAMS]

I’m new to the thread so bare with me please. After looking at the “crime scene” pics, Suzies bedroom does not show signs of struggle or disarray IMO. Graduation night & teens going out could explain why the bed was left in this condition. Also, I’ve never felt secure in thinking that the purses “lined up” on stairs was significant until seeing this pic. Purses AND their wallets lined up is extremely odd. The porch light hangs pretty low and I can see how one of the ladies could’ve easily hit it to perhaps make noise or it could’ve been hit during a struggle.

 

[SAMS]

It's also possible that one of the killers was also at the parties that night and knew of her plans to return home. I'm still of the opinion that Suzie possibly called her mom and told her of their plans to come home.

I agree with this theory. Has it ever been established who was at the party(s)? I would assume LE interviewed all attendees? Teens talk, I find it hard to believe that no one has come forward to say that the girls were toasted or not when they left the party(s) or if they left with someone or more than one person. Or have they? It could simply be that back then the kids didn’t want to get into trouble with their own parents, but if so, do we have anyone that posts here from the HS graduate class (or other class) that would know?

 

[SAMS]

I think something happened at the party or one of the parties and because Suzie told her mom she became a liability. I think Suzie was used to lure Sherrill out of the house in some way.

I believe that party holds the key. I’m also not convinced that the ladies didn’t decide to grab a bite to eat and met up with perps at the restaurant. Witnesses claimed men were talking to the ladies, Susie was getting rowdy. Maybe these men were seeking revenge and followed them home. Or go the other way with it, perhaps the girls invited them over?

 

[SAMS]

I've said this a hundred times I think. The women could have been followed home from George's. The perps could have watched and waited for the women to get ready for bed, and then invaded the home.

I still am completly convinced that the front porch lady was being truthful about the van she saw. She may have not got the color and other detail right, but that does not mean she did not see a van with suzie crying and driving it. These are the only clues in this case that actually make sense.

I agree.

 

[SAMS]

Leaves out 'thieves' and more towards, since purses were lined up, COULD be a sign of OCD.
What type of person would line-up anything in an abduction situation?
And heck, that 'evidence' could be interpreted by a behaviorist....anybody on here with those credentials?

Great thought! Or....do we have knowledge of perhaps one of the ladies having OCD?