Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #8

[SAMS]

I read they left because Janelle’s house was too crowded AND they didn’t want to sleep on a pallet. It can’t be both. That’s what makes this frustrating!!

I also read somewhere that they left bc the cops were called on the party. Ill try to verify where I saw this.

 

[SAMS]

Susie asked her. She was fearful she would get lost at night. That is reasonable considering she had not been in Battlefield previously.

I would strongly doubt she would knowingly put Stacy in harm’s way.

This further reinforces my view that this was a one off incident by a lone male psycho who was fixated one or or both of the girls. He hung around the parties and simply followed them home.

He is obviously mentally disturbed and infinitely evil.

I had many contentious contacts with Mike both on and off the internet. I first got the impression he believed there was a connection to one of the “Grand Jury 3”. But as time went on he backed away and finally said he thought it was some mysterious unknown predator.

I have also gone round and round with Bartt to no avail.

I often wondered if Mike wasn’t pulling my leg. I concluded after literally hundreds of contacts that his last opinion was the more likely of the scenarios.

When all the likely perps are eliminated we are left with this one last possibility. I truly believe we are looking at a mentally unstable homicidal maniac.

MM: I have read this thread in its entirety, (outside of the few threads that were deleted) and I can recall your opinion/theory was much different then, than it is now. Your knowledge of this case and being versatile with your theory over so many years, is admirable. I have to say I agree with there being one unstable creep that became obsessed with one or more of the girls and like so many other sexual predators, didn't care how many he had to subdue to reach his disgusting goal.

 

[SAMS]

I think Janelle dreaded telling Janis where Stacy stayed and answering a bunch of questions-so I understand if she wasn’t in a hurry to speak with her. I don’t understand how she didn’t realize something was wrong. It’s hard to reference my teenage mind but I think seeing their cars and their things inside would’ve freaked me out.

I think our mindset is completely different as adults and in this cellphone/computer era. As you stated, ("its hard to reference my teenage mind,") we have to step out of 2018 for a moment and into 1992. I was fresh out of high school then, graduating in 1990. I can honestly say the younger, careless, less cautious, me would most likely not think that I should call Janis right off. Purse and cigarettes left behind wouldn't be as significant to that younger me as would, say, purse and cell would today. At least not right away. This also was not a big city where "these things" happened, esp in '92. JMO

 

[Catmommy]

Do NOT underestimate the power of an individual with a gun, especially if you've never had one pointed at you. I have and not only did I do exactly what the man told me to do, the other three nurses with me did too even though he couldn't see two of them because of their location.

 

[Deleted member 227458]

I’m new to the thread so bare with me please. After looking at the “crime scene” pics, Suzies bedroom does not show signs of struggle or disarray IMO. Graduation night & teens going out could explain why the bed was left in this condition. Also, I’ve never felt secure in thinking that the purses “lined up” on stairs was significant until seeing this pic. Purses AND their wallets lined up is extremely odd. The porch light hangs pretty low and I can see how one of the ladies could’ve easily hit it to perhaps make noise or it could’ve been hit during a struggle.

BBMFF: Aside from JK and MH, nobody knows whether or not the house was in the same state when they first waltzed in (uninvited) as when they left it. IMO, it's entirely possible that they did some other "cleaning up" inside after MH got done sweeping up the glass on the front porch outside (because, as we all know, teenage boys are constantly on the lookout for opportunities to pick up a broom and help sweep up other people's houses).

 

[SAMS]

You can look at it from another angle....perhaps the girls lead the perp(s) to Sherrill's house.

I agree and wonder if anyone has ever thought that Stacy could have been the target? Perhaps someone from the party(s)? I've only read in these threads that Stacy was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Why? Bc they seemed to have vanished from the Streeters? Something to think about.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

MM: I have read this thread in its entirety, (outside of the few threads that were deleted) and I can recall your opinion/theory was much different then, than it is now. Your knowledge of this case and being versatile with your theory over so many years, is admirable. I have to say I agree with there being one unstable creep that became obsessed with one or more of the girls and like so many other sexual predators, didn't care how many he had to subdue to reach his disgusting goal.

I have to say that the more I read and ponder this case, the more I think there was not a sexual aspect to the crime as its motive is concerned. It may have been an after thought, but I really think there was another purpose for the crime to occur. I think the starting point for this case is the party at Brian Joy's house, the people who were there, as well as the last people to see them alive.

 

[SAMS]

I have to say that the more I read and ponder this case, the more I think there was not a sexual aspect to the crime as its motive is concerned. It may have been an after thought, but I really think there was another purpose for the crime to occur. I think the starting point for this case is the party at Brian Joy's house, the people who were there, as well as the last people to see them alive.[/QUOTE

Yes. What happened at the party? I can’t shake the thought that something happened initially at either one of the parties or at George’s that led to the Streeter home.

 

[asyousay]

The purses were not put there by Sherrill, Suzie or Stacey. I would bet my life on that.

The bedrooms were not near each other and mums and daughters don’t line up their purses with a friends in row at 3am.

Either the perp/perps did it or somebody did it the following day when trying to figure out where the women had gone.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

The purses were not put there by Sherrill, Suzie or Stacey. I would bet my life on that.

The bedrooms were not near each other and mums and daughters don’t line up their purses with a friends in row at 3am.

Either the perp/perps did it or somebody did it the following day when trying to figure out where the women had gone.

I agree with you. It would be normal for the girls to come to Susie's house and put their purses down next to each other possibly, but not Sherrill. I don't see it as being normal for her purse to be sitting next to theirs, especially sitting in Susie's room no less. I remember the parents moved the purses at one point but they let police know about it. They also said that it appeared that things were spilling out of the purses. That seems to indicate that someone riffled through them for some reason??

 

[asyousay]

I think it’s a safe assumption to say whoever did this was in that house for a period of time.

The cigarettes being placed out in the living room when by all accounts Sherrill would of taken hers to bed. Suzie also wouldn’t of placed here out on the counter when she got home. This was a smoking home so neither would of gone outside to smoke either.

Then the 3 purses being lined up together, it’s seems obvious to me that whoever did this threw them all together for the convenience of going through them at the same time.

I still think the 3 women were questioned in the living room by whoever did this because of the placing of the cigarettes.

I haven’t ruled out that that 2 of these women knew something they wasn’t supposed to and had to be silenced because of it.

IMO

 

[asyousay]

I think these questions need answering.

1) Why take Stacey if she was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time?

2) Why did whoever do this wait until Suzie got home that night if it was a targeted attack on Sherrill?

3) why did Janelle a teenager after a very late night of partying get up so early ( teens are not exactly the earliest to rise and especially after a night of partying) and straight away start ringing that house?

4) if Suzie or Stacey had been followed home by a predator why would this person let them reach their destination?

5) If this was about a single person why would you not go after them when one of them was alone?

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I think it’s a safe assumption to say whoever did this was in that house for a period of time.

The cigarettes being placed out in the living room when by all accounts Sherrill would of taken hers to bed. Suzie also wouldn’t of placed here out on the counter when she got home. This was a smoking home so neither would of gone outside to smoke either.

Then the 3 purses being lined up together, it’s seems obvious to me that whoever did this threw them all together for the convenience of going through them at the same time.

I still think the 3 women were questioned in the living room by whoever did this because of the placing of the cigarettes.

I haven’t ruled out that that 2 of these women knew something they wasn’t supposed to and had to be silenced because of it.

IMO

I had never hear about the placement of the cigarettes. I have seen the pictures of the unlit cigarette sitting the ashtray of Sherrill's room, and there is also a picture of a pack of cigarette's sitting on Susie's nightstand. Where did you come to find out the placement of the cigarettes? It's interesting if you're correct in this issue. And I would agree with you regarding the placement of a pack of cigarettes in the living room. Who would they be there if Sherrill was a chain smoker. In my opinion they wouldn't have been in the living room, they would have been in her bedroom. Susie's as well. So good post. Would love to know where the placement of the cigarettes came from?

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I think these questions need answering.

1) Why take Stacey if she was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time?

2) Why did whoever do this wait until Suzie got home that night if it was a targeted attack on Sherrill?

3) why did Janelle a teenager after a very late night of partying get up so early ( teens are not exactly the earliest to rise and especially after a night of partying) and straight away start ringing that house?

4) if Suzie or Stacey had been followed home by a predator why would this person let them reach their destination?

5) If this was about a single person why would you not go after them when one of them was alone?

Issue #3 bothers me and has for a long time. She stated that she started calling the house around 8:00am, then in later accounts from her, she changes the time to about 9:30am-10am. And then, she states that they didn't go over there until about 12:30pm. Stacy's mother called around 11am or so and talked to JK's sister who told her that the girls hadn't stayed there that night. So where was JK when Ms. McCall called JK's house at 11am? And, why, if they were so chomping at the bit to go to white water that next morning, that she supposedly started calling at 8am, didn't she and MH go over to the house much earlier than 12:30pm? That has never made sense to me at all, as well as, all of the rest of the things these two did that day. Also, why did JK's timeline change? If I started calling someone in a situation like this, at 8am, my story would be exactly the same 5, 10, 20yrs later. It wouldn't morph into 9:30am at any point over the years. So why did she do this? Police also had an issue with MH's timeline for his whereabouts -vs- Janelles timeline of their whereabouts, because they didn't match. Officer Worshem (spelled wrong) stated that, "He was just confused", but why was he even mentioning the timeline confusion in a news article published three months later. This should have been something that police could have sorted out very early into the investigation, but they apparently didn't and still had issues with it. Question is WHY?

 

[asyousay]

I had never hear about the placement of the cigarettes. I have seen the pictures of the unlit cigarette sitting the ashtray of Sherrill's room, and there is also a picture of a pack of cigarette's sitting on Susie's nightstand. Where did you come to find out the placement of the cigarettes? It's interesting if you're correct in this issue. And I would agree with you regarding the placement of a pack of cigarettes in the living room. Who would they be there if Sherrill was a chain smoker. In my opinion they wouldn't have been in the living room, they would have been in her bedroom. Susie's as well. So good post. Would love to know where the placement of the cigarettes came from?

Watch the disappeared episode as Bartt talks about the weird placement of the cigarettes and he pointed out his mum was a chain smoker and walked room to room with them. If she was asleep in her bedroom then they would of been with her.

 

[Missouri Mule]

Issue #3 bothers me and has for a long time. She stated that she started calling the house around 8:00am, then in later accounts from her, she changes the time to about 9:30am-10am. And then, she states that they didn't go over there until about 12:30pm. Stacy's mother called around 11am or so and talked to JK's sister who told her that the girls hadn't stayed there that night. So where was JK when Ms. McCall called JK's house at 11am? And, why, if they were so chomping at the bit to go to white water that next morning, that she supposedly started calling at 8am, didn't she and MH go over to the house much earlier than 12:30pm? That has never made sense to me at all, as well as, all of the rest of the things these two did that day. Also, why did JK's timeline change? If I started calling someone in a situation like this, at 8am, my story would be exactly the same 5, 10, 20yrs later. It wouldn't morph into 9:30am at any point over the years. So why did she do this? Police also had an issue with MH's timeline for his whereabouts -vs- Janelles timeline of their whereabouts, because they didn't match. Officer Worshem (spelled wrong) stated that, "He was just confused", but why was he even mentioning the timeline confusion in a news article published three months later. This should have been something that police could have sorted out very early into the investigation, but they apparently didn't and still had issues with it. Question is WHY?

I believe that she started calling at 7:30 AM. She and her boyfriend showed up at the house at 12:30 PM. I think that is the final time frame.

I agree completely that the varying timeframes should have been firmed up at the outset. There are many questions that were never fully addressed with the public. I believe that a firm timeline is first and foremost. From what I have gleaned, the girls left at 2:20AM. It was 11.6 miles to the home. A reasonable time to arrive would be roughly 2:45 AM. Tables show sunrise at 5:53 AM. Counting time to get in bed, etc., there was a little more than two hours for whatever to have taken place. Additionally objects are actually visible almost a full hour prior to actual sunrise. This is called “civic” sunrise.

It seems to me that all possible suspects should account for their whereabouts from 3:00AM until 6:00 AM.

 

[TedMac]

I think these questions need answering.

1) Why take Stacey if she was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time?

2) Why did whoever do this wait until Suzie got home that night if it was a targeted attack on Sherrill?

3) why did Janelle a teenager after a very late night of partying get up so early ( teens are not exactly the earliest to rise and especially after a night of partying) and straight away start ringing that house?

4) if Suzie or Stacey had been followed home by a predator why would this person let them reach their destination?

5) If this was about a single person why would you not go after them when one of them was alone?

1. So there would be no witnesses to testify against the killer.

2. Perhaps because they were in the process of taking Sherill when the girls came home?

3. I may be remembering incorrectly, but I think the entire group was going to a water park the next morning.

4. It isn't easy to stop a moving vehicle. Maybe the perp wanted to get them together.

5. Maybe the perp wanted all three of them and probably if the the intended victim was one of the teen girls, he may not have had the opportunity to get them alone. I personally think the killer is someone who saw the girls that night and acted on an impulse-probably a sexually motivated crime. But that is MOO!

 

[SAMS]

Stacy’s mom says on CWD (with Chris Hansen) that Sherrill “either made up her bed or she hadn’t gone to bed” when she walked thru the house the morning after. Yet, I’ve seen the “crime scene”photo that depicts her bed cover folded back. Wondering if LE or CSI would have purposefully done so to check for blood, perhaps?

 

[Missouri Mule]

1. So there would be no witnesses to testify against the killer.

2. Perhaps because they were in the process of taking Sherill when the girls came home?

3. I may be remembering incorrectly, but I think the entire group was going to a water park the next morning.

4. It isn't easy to stop a moving vehicle. Maybe the perp wanted to get them together.

5. Maybe the perp wanted all three of them and probably if the the intended victim was one of the teen girls, he may not have had the opportunity to get them alone. I personally think the killer is someone who saw the girls that night and acted on an impulse-probably a sexually motivated crime. But that is MOO!

I agree completely. Probably saw or spoke to Suzie (most likely) and followed her to the Battlefield address and then home. His need for immediate sexual satisfaction completely overrode his judgement.

I am speculating he drove into her driveway at which time Suzie went out to speak with him. Things got out of hand and that alerted Sherrill. No way was she going to let him in that hour of the night.

In my opinion he has posted on this forum.

 

[asyousay]

1. So there would be no witnesses to testify against the killer.

2. Perhaps because they were in the process of taking Sherill when the girls came home?

3. I may be remembering incorrectly, but I think the entire group was going to a water park the next morning.

4. It isn't easy to stop a moving vehicle. Maybe the perp wanted to get them together.

5. Maybe the perp wanted all three of them and probably if the the intended victim was one of the teen girls, he may not have had the opportunity to get them alone. I personally think the killer is someone who saw the girls that night and acted on an impulse-probably a sexually motivated crime. But that is MOO!

1) if Stacey has absolutely no idea who the killer is and it’s a random perp then Stacey isn’t a threat if you tie her and gag her.

2) There is nothing to support this theory as the girls got ready for bed including taking off make up and switched the tv on.


3) At 8am after not going to bed until gone 3am?

4) why would a perp follow the girls home not knowing who would be at the house, that gives the girls a advantage.


How would a random sexual predator know a single mum was at home and not a angry 300 lb angry father with a gun when the girls arrived home?!

If they was followed home it makes more sense to not let them reach their destination imo