Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #8

[SAMS]

I apologize for the back-to-back comments but .....does anyone know if Nigel, being so close to Suzie, was ever questioned about the satanic material that was found in Suzies bedroom? A few of the threads here were removed so I’m not sure if I just missed anyone discussing a theory on her satanic interests or not.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I also read somewhere that they left bc the cops were called on the party. Ill try to verify where I saw this.

The police were called on the party on Hannover Street. Michelle Elders party. The one they left Brian Joys house to go to, prior to returning to Brian Joys house after the police were called.

 

[SAMS]

The police were called on the party on Hannover Street. Michelle Elders party. The one they left Brian Joys house to go to, prior to returning to Brian Joys house after the police were called.

Thank you for confirming.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I believe that she started calling at 7:30 AM. She and her boyfriend showed up at the house at 12:30 PM. I think that is the final time frame.

I agree completely that the varying timeframes should have been firmed up at the outset. There are many questions that were never fully addressed with the public. I believe that a firm timeline is first and foremost. From what I have gleaned, the girls left at 2:20AM. It was 11.6 miles to the home. A reasonable time to arrive would be roughly 2:45 AM. Tables show sunrise at 5:53 AM. Counting time to get in bed, etc., there was a little more than two hours for whatever to have taken place. Additionally objects are actually visible almost a full hour prior to actual sunrise. This is called “civic” sunrise.

It seems to me that all possible suspects should account for their whereabouts from 3:00AM until 6:00 AM.

I agree with what you've posted. According to Google Maps its about a 20 minute drive from JK's house to Susie's house on Delmar. I also agree that the 3am-6am or so window, is a good starting point to eliminate people based on their alibi. You'd think that who ever did this wouldn't be brazen enough to commit this crime in broad daylight. But if JK started calling at 7:30am after being up until about 3am, that makes everything even more suspicious. How or why in the world did she get back up only 4-hours later and be roaring and ready to go to White Water, after partying until 3am? Was she up all night? Was she doing substances that kept her up all night? Makes you wonder doesn't it. Good post MM

 

[TedMac]

1) if Stacey has absolutely no idea who the killer is and it’s a random perp then Stacey isn’t a threat if you tie her and gag her.

2) There is nothing to support this theory as the girls got ready for bed including taking off make up and switched the tv on.


3) At 8am after not going to bed until gone 3am?

4) why would a perp follow the girls home not knowing who would be at the house, that gives the girls a advantage.


How would a random sexual predator know a single mum was at home and not a angry 300 lb angry father with a gun when the girls arrived home?!

If they was followed home it makes more sense to not let them reach their destination imo

1. She could still identify him. If she was eliminated, that possibility was erased.

2. Maybe Sherill was never the target?

3. Yes, the idea of going to a waterpark with friends may have been enough to have them get up out of bed.

4. Maybe he was a risk taker or maybe his desire to take 3 women was something he felt he felt was worth the risk? Or maybe he had knowledge of who lived there and knew there was no "300 lb angry father with a gun" in the home. The person could have had knowledge of the family and recognized Suzie when he saw her out on the road and simply followed them home.

There are a lot of possiblities here how it may have gone down. I don't claim to know all the facts of the case.

 

[TedMac]

I agree completely. Probably saw or spoke to Suzie (most likely) and followed her to the Battlefield address and then home. His need for immediate sexual satisfaction completely overrode his judgement.

I am speculating he drove into her driveway at which time Suzie went out to speak with him. Things got out of hand and that alerted Sherrill. No way was she going to let him in that hour of the night.

In my opinion he has posted on this forum.

BBM...I am in total agreement with you. I, too have read his posts.

 

[asyousay]

Another question I have is this

Springfield News-Leader for July 7, 1994 reports that in addition to
the $750 cash Sherrill had $780 worth of uncashed check from her salon
customers in her purse. She obviously wasn't living hand to mouth to
make ends meet. I would think that she would want to deposit or cash
these as soon as possible

If you are prepared to Rape or Murder then why would you leave the money behind?

Did the perp get spooked or was it a deliberate ploy to switch the focus away from the true intent of the crime?

 

[scadagirl28]

I think these questions need answering.

1) Why take Stacey if she was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time?

2) Why did whoever do this wait until Suzie got home that night if it was a targeted attack on Sherrill?

3) why did Janelle a teenager after a very late night of partying get up so early ( teens are not exactly the earliest to rise and especially after a night of partying) and straight away start ringing that house?

4) if Suzie or Stacey had been followed home by a predator why would this person let them reach their destination?

5) If this was about a single person why would you not go after them when one of them was alone?

I have to agree with Tedmac on number one.

 

[TedMac]

Another question I have is this



If you are prepared to Rape or Murder then why would you leave the money behind?

Did the perp get spooked or was it a deliberate ploy to switch the focus away from the true intent of the crime?

Maybe in his haste, he never saw the $$. If he was a lone perp, he probably kept his eyes on the women and never noticed the money.

 

[asyousay]

Maybe in his haste, he never saw the $$. If he was a lone perp, he probably kept his eyes on the women and never noticed the money.

It was in Sherills purse and by the sounds of it from Janis the perp went though the purses as she said the stuff was rolling out the top of it.

Plus with photos missing from photo frames it doesn’t exactly sound like this person was rushing imo

 

[scadagirl28]

The checks are easy but the cash ....
This could be one of the reasons they think it was aimed at one or all the women.

 

[Deleted member 227458]

Issue #3 bothers me and has for a long time. She stated that she started calling the house around 8:00am, then in later accounts from her, she changes the time to about 9:30am-10am. And then, she states that they didn't go over there until about 12:30pm. Stacy's mother called around 11am or so and talked to JK's sister who told her that the girls hadn't stayed there that night. So where was JK when Ms. McCall called JK's house at 11am? And, why, if they were so chomping at the bit to go to white water that next morning, that she supposedly started calling at 8am, didn't she and MH go over to the house much earlier than 12:30pm? That has never made sense to me at all, as well as, all of the rest of the things these two did that day. Also, why did JK's timeline change? If I started calling someone in a situation like this, at 8am, my story would be exactly the same 5, 10, 20yrs later. It wouldn't morph into 9:30am at any point over the years. So why did she do this? Police also had an issue with MH's timeline for his whereabouts -vs- Janelles timeline of their whereabouts, because they didn't match. Officer Worshem (spelled wrong) stated that, "He was just confused", but why was he even mentioning the timeline confusion in a news article published three months later. This should have been something that police could have sorted out very early into the investigation, but they apparently didn't and still had issues with it. Question is WHY?

Scoob, I wish I could like your post 100 times!!!

 

[cherrymeg]

My wildcard theory isn't what I think happened but what if there were two separate crimes one against Sherrill and one against Stacy and Suzie. I've been watching crime shows so pleases excuse the crazy lol.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

1) if Stacey has absolutely no idea who the killer is and it’s a random perp then Stacey isn’t a threat if you tie her and gag her.

2) There is nothing to support this theory as the girls got ready for bed including taking off make up and switched the tv on.


3) At 8am after not going to bed until gone 3am?

4) why would a perp follow the girls home not knowing who would be at the house, that gives the girls a advantage.


How would a random sexual predator know a single mum was at home and not a angry 300 lb angry father with a gun when the girls arrived home?!

If they was followed home it makes more sense to not let them reach their destination imo

Bravo!
I esp. liked the 300 lb angry father with a gun

 

[MooseMeMuch]

Scoob, I wish I could like your post 100 times!!!

Same here!

 

[MooseMeMuch]

My wildcard theory isn't what I think happened but what if there were two separate crimes one against Sherrill and one against Stacy and Suzie. I've been watching crime shows so pleases excuse the crazy lol.

Hey, that IS my theory! Lol
1st it could have been accidental death(s) No motive.
2nd it could have turned into a cover up (because the 1st could have been construed as murder).

Think my eyes just crossed....

okay, it's just wild enough.....it could be close to the truth with some tweaking needed.

 

[asyousay]

I still think Suzie knew to much about something and could blab and she was close to her mum so she also had to be taken out as they couldn’t kill Suzie and then Sherill knew something and talked.

Stacey killed because she knew one of the people involved.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Stacy’s mom says on CWD (with Chris Hansen) that Sherrill “either made up her bed or she hadn’t gone to bed” when she walked thru the house the morning after. Yet, I’ve seen the “crime scene”photo that depicts her bed cover folded back. Wondering if LE or CSI would have purposefully done so to check for blood, perhaps?

I've seen that picture too. If it was a Crime Scene photo taken by police, it would have been taken before they moved anything, in Situ (Where and How it was found). They wouldn't have photographed anything after it had been moved, unless it was something they considered evidence. So it makes you wonder if the photo you're referring to was taken by police, or by the media.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Watch the disappeared episode as Bartt talks about the weird placement of the cigarettes and he pointed out his mum was a chain smoker and walked room to room with them. If she was asleep in her bedroom then they would of been with her.

But Bartt was talking about his mom not leaving a room to go to another room with out taking "A" cigarette with her. I don't find anywhere in that video where Bartt speaks of the placement of her cigarettes in the house, or them being in the living room. Help me out here, where in the video does he make this reference?

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

So here's the Transcript from the Disappeared Video that talks about the cigarettes:

Commentator: "Both Susie and her mom's cigarettes and lighters, items they seldom left behind, are on the table". Bartt: "My mom was a chain smoker, she went everywhere with her cigarettes. I mean, If she got out of bed and went into the living room to say something, she brought a cigarette with her". This is the transcript of the Disappeared Video where Bartt talks about the cigarettes. This is all he says, and he never says that the cigarettes were in the living room. He says that she would bring "A" cigarette with her. I do find it odd that they say the cigarettes were sitting on the table. What table? I'm assuming the Kitchen table. But in the photos taken of the inside of the house, you can clearly see a pack of cigarettes on Susie's nightstand, as well as an unlit cigarette in Sherrill's ashtray on her nightstand. Might be a different pack though, that is a possibility.