Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #9

[SpringfieldMan341]

nothing weird to see here.

no going into bat for anybody actually.

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please identify a direct connection between sherrill stacy and or suzie to a bikie gang.
or your mate wanna be bikie garrison.

its in the boogie man compartment.

no viable connection.

jmo

Direct connection you say?

GGMC -> Garrison - > Mike -> Dusty -> Suzie

Pretty damn viable to me.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Dusty moves immediately to Colorado after June 7th.
Riedel to Illinois right after June 7th.
Clay hitchhikes to California after June 7th.
Clay has known connections to Gallopping Gooses.
Clay bought drugs from and hung with Garrison.
Garrison is Doug Thomas and Dave Asher's top CI for the case.

Do you guys need it spelled out? Boogie man department? HA!

 

[k-mac]

Dusty moves immediately to Colorado after June 7th.
Riedel to Illinois right after June 7th.
Clay hitchhikes to California after June 7th.
Clay has known connections to Gallopping Gooses.
Clay bought drugs from and hung with Garrison.
Garrison is Doug Thomas and Dave Asher's top CI for the case.

Do you guys need it spelled out? Boogie man department? HA!

I like it lol

love bringing it to the table!
definitely think your getting warmer.....

but.

what possible motive would a bikie gang have to kill 3women two of them nothing to do with clay.
I do believe grave robbers is amongst what happened but not down the line of bikie connection. (like ordered hit)
think its way more personal than that.

jmo

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

I do not think the GGMC did this crime. As you said - not their style. I do think there could be a connection. Drugs, strippers/Crazy Horse, who knows. It's possible.

All 3 vandals darted out of town in a hurry. Someone scared them off, jmo.

Robert Craig Cox did not do this crime. He's in your "boogie man" area. However, the criminal was right about one thing: whoever did this had experience and knew what they were doing. I believe he is correct about that.

Could Suzie have known or told the cops about MORE than just the vandalizing? Was she getting too close to something much greater that warranted the silencing? As far as Stacy goes, she was collateral damage. Period. Wrong place at wrong time. The perps are connected to Levitt and Streeter.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Dusty moves immediately to Colorado after June 7th.
Riedel to Illinois right after June 7th.
Clay hitchhikes to California after June 7th.
Clay has known connections to Gallopping Gooses.
Clay bought drugs from and hung with Garrison.
Garrison is Doug Thomas and Dave Asher's top CI for the case.

Do you guys need it spelled out? Boogie man department? HA!

Joseph Riedel according to Clay, had already left Springfield before the girls went missing.
Joseph Ridel later legally changed his last name to Volke.
There is not known connection between Clay and the motorcycle club
Clay was the only one who left town right after the women went missing, and was not charged with the Institutional Vandalism charge until 6/26/1992, presumably when he was arrested in California and subsequently returned to Springfield, Missouri.
Dusty was still living in Springfield in 1999 per Casenet.
Dusty was charged with institutional vandalism 9/17/1992 and made his first court appearance with his lawyer 9/18/1992.
Dusty was adjudicated 9/10/1993 and was sentenced to 3-yrs in the dept. of corrections, but was given a suspended sentence of which he incurred numerous probation violations (5) to be exact, the last one incurred on 11/25/1996. (Ref: Casenet Missouri)
So he was not in Colorado, he was in Springfield Missouri
Doug Thomas and Dave Asher telling anyone who their CI (Confidential Informant) was, kind of defeats the whole Confidential Informant aspect.

The known and verifiable facts of this case are important and need to be kept honest and factual.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Joseph Riedel according to Clay, had already left Springfield before the girls went missing.
Joseph Ridel later legally changed his last name to Volke.
There is not known connection between Clay and the motorcycle club
Clay was the only one who left town right after the women went missing, and was not charged with the Institutional Vandalism charge until 6/26/1992, presumably when he was arrested in California and subsequently returned to Springfield, Missouri.
Dusty was still living in Springfield in 1999 per Casenet.
Dusty was charged with institutional vandalism 9/17/1992 and made his first court appearance with his lawyer 9/18/1992.
Dusty was adjudicated 9/10/1993 and was sentenced to 3-yrs in the dept. of corrections, but was given a suspended sentence of which he incurred numerous probation violations (5) to be exact, the last one incurred on 11/25/1996. (Ref: Casenet Missouri)
So he was not in Colorado, he was in Springfield Missouri
Doug Thomas and Dave Asher telling anyone who their CI (Confidential Informant) was, kind of defeats the whole Confidential Informant aspect.

The known and verifiable facts of this case are important and need to be kept honest and factual.

You have many things wrong.

Riedel never legally changed his name. I don't know where this theory started. He had an arrest in IL where a possible alias was (Joseph Vocke) was listed (due to mother remarrying), but he never assumed that name. Riedel is on Facebook--still uses Joseph Riedel. I am not sure why people keep spreading that one.

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CaseNet is not a reliable source for where people live. It's just mailing address on drivers' license half the time. Dusty was summoned to the grand jury from Colorado in 1994 (source: Aug. 27, 1994 NewsLeader).

Clay recanted his Riedel story, remember? <modsnip- discussing another forum>.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Yeah, rather tired of the 'cloak and dagger' and the rumor mill grinding away.
IMO...it was obviously a one-time Spfld event. Not committed by a vagrant (no car), not a hat wearing peeping Tom (peepers peep), not a biker or a wanna-be biker (they shoot each other), wasn't a drug deal gone bad (typically tempers flare then blood flows asap), not motivated by money ($750 isn't chump change)....

Fact: I have the June 19, 1992 newspaper article turns outthe Apco guy looked at and spoke directly to Sherrill. He remembers distinctly because he typically had approx only 10 customers a night.
It also has another 'snarky' comment made by Kathy Kirby concerning Sherrill. (Hello! Sherrill is missing, likely dead, and Kirby's criticizing .... and nobody thinks that's weird?)

I'll get it posted asap. Stay tuned.

So here is a very viable theory that goes hand in hand with what you posted here.

Lets say that the Apco Sighting by the convenient store clerk was accurate.
That means something brought Sherrill out of her house in the middle of the night looking for her daughter Susie.
How would Sherrill know something was wrong and that she needed to go out in the middle of the night looking for her.
Did Susie make a phone call from the Apco Station to her house left a frantic message for her mother who didn't pick the phone up before Susie left a message.
Does this account for the erased message on Sherrill's phone?
Does this also account for the posibility that something happened at one of the parties that placed Susie in a situation of trying to escape from someone or someones.
Did she even make it home that night, and does this account for the purses being lined up in an unusual spot where they normally wouldn't have been, as well as the police stating that the house was perfect, too perfect (or something very close to that affect), lending potential credence to a staged crime scene.
Did Ms Kirby provide an alibi for her daughter by stating that she heard what she heard regarding the girls talking on the porch about going to Susies house, when it was June and she had a house full of company, and one would think would have had the A/C on and her window closed.
Why did they Walk according to Mr. Appley from the Joy residence they had returned to, to Ms Kirby's house which wasn't right around the corner as they told the story, but according to Google Maps, over 1-mile away.
And Mr. Appleby stated he watched them drive away. Well, Janelle said she then went into her house for the night. So what did Shane do, walk back to the Joy house to retrieve his jeep, on a dark country road, over 1-mile away, in the middle of the night? Why didn't one of the girls give him a ride back to his jeep. Why didn't they take his Jeep to Janelles house also, instead of walking over 1-mile.
None of their story's make sense. However if the Apco Clerk did indeed see Sherrill, someone must have called her to let her know there was trouble. How else or why else would she have known or been out looking for Susie at that time of the night.
I'm not convinced that they ever made it back to Sherrill's house, regardless of the cars and clothes being found there the next day.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

You have many things wrong.

Riedel never legally changed his name. I don't know where this theory started. He had an arrest in IL where a possible alias was (Joseph Vocke) was listed (due to mother remarrying), but he never assumed that name. Riedel is on Facebook--still uses Joseph Riedel. I am not sure why people keep spreading that one.

<modsnip - discussing rumor from another forum>

CaseNet is not a reliable source for where people live. It's just mailing address on drivers' license half the time. Dusty was summoned to the grand jury from Colorado in 1994 (source: Aug. 27, 1994 NewsLeader).

Clay recanted his Riedel story, remember? <modsnip - discussing another forum>.

I trust Casenet and the News stories of the day. I was not going by his address, but rather the case notes regarding his adjudication and parole violations. Also, if he was on parole he wouldn't have been allowed to leave the state, especially on a felony conviction. And if he was granted this privilege it would have had to have had a judges approval, and would have been noted on his Casenet File.
<modsnip - discussing another forum> And, can Clay even be trusted to tell the truth. I wouldn't trust him. He's a convicted felon.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I also want to say for the record, what we are doing here right now is not Bickering. We are having a healthy debate over topics of concern. We have to be able to debate these issues or it's pointless to even be discussing them. As long as we're being civil to one another, we should not be accused of Bickering, and be allowed to debate these topics.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Recla got community service and 14 day shock jail time. He was allowed to leave the state and eventually did. All 3 don't live in the area. I wonder why.

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[Scooby Doo 4U]

Recla got community service and 14 day shock jail time. He was allowed to leave the state and eventually did. All 3 don't live in the area. I wonder why.
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Dustin Recla:
-10-93 P OF G ON 7-16-93 TO INSTITUTIONAL VANDALISM. DEFT SENT TO DOC FOR TERM OF 3YRS; SENT SUSP AND DEFT PLACED ON P ROB FOR TERM OF 5YRS. DEFT TO PAY REST W/IN 1ST 6MOS OF PROB & TO COMP 150HRS COMM SERV DURING 2ND 6MOS OF 1ST YR OF PRO B. DEFT TO SERVE 14 DAYS OF SHOCK PROB IN GCJ BEG 8:30 AM 9/ 13/93. $46.00 CVF JDMT & COURT COSTS ASSESSED. /GMG


11/25/1996 Judge/Clerk - Note
VIOLATION REPORT RECEIVED. DEFT CONTINUED ON PROBATION PER RECOMMENDATION OF P & P. /SS

06/05/1996 Judge/Clerk - Note
VIOLATION REPORT RECEIVED. DEFT CONTINUED ON PROBATION PER RECOMMENDATION OF P & P. /SS

01/18/1995 Judge/Clerk - Note
VIOLATION REPORT RECEIVED. DEFT CONTINUED ON PROBATION PER RECOMMENDATION OF OFFICER WARD. /SS

11/03/1994 Judge/Clerk - Note
VIOLATION REPORT RECEIVED. DEFT CONTINUED ON PROBATION PER RECOMMENDATION OF OFFICER WARD. /SS

09/29/1994 Judge/Clerk - Note
VIOLATION REPORT REVIEWED (DEFT RECLA). DEFT CONTINUED ON P ROBATION PER RECOMMENDATION OF OFFICER WARD. /SS

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Even if Riedel was using Vocke as an alias briefly, shouldn't that set off even more alarms! Hello!

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

This was copied and pasted and was not placed in caps by me. Its just the way it copied and pasted by casenet, and should not be construed as me "Yelling" using caps locks. Just for the record.

 

[k-mac]

yes i think there is validation in what your saying scooby.
sherill leaving the house with a reported relatively reliable source and the possibility suzie and stacy never made it back to the house is real.
too much credit goes to the washers on the sink.
in honesty? when we went out there would likely be all that stuff laying around from getting ready, nobody gave a hoot about removing make up before bed after a night out!
also explains why suzies car was parked slighty oddly in the front yard. (her friend confirmed) somebody else put it there.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Even if Riedel was using Vocke as an alias briefly, shouldn't that set off even more alarms! Hello!

Potentially, but he may have not wanted to be associated with the crime for other reasons, like people looking at him as a murderer if he was not one. I recently saw a Cold Case File story on Netflix in which a young man, who was not guilty of the Murder that his mother committed, changed his last name because of the stigma it placed upon him just for being associated to his murdering mother.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Recla bounced between Lakewood CO, Golden CO, and eventually settled at Aurora CO in 1998.
Source: MyLife and WhitePages

Also, your post proves my point. He did the CS 150 hours and complied with probation. SISs can leave the state. Riedel was sentenced to much more than Recla and was allowed to move back to IL. Case in point.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Riedel is on Facebook. He has two accounts. Both Joseph Riedel. One is inactive.

Clay is in Georgia.

Recla in Colorado.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

yes i think there is validation in what your saying scooby.
sherill leaving the house with a reported relatively reliable source and the possibility suzie and stacy never made it back to the house is real.
too much credit goes to the washers on the sink.
in honesty? when we went out there would likely be all that stuff laying around from getting ready, nobody gave a hoot about removing make up before bed after a night out!
also explains why suzies car was parked slighty oddly in the front yard. (her friend confirmed) somebody else put it there.

I agree and have thought the exact same thing. Why would she have pulled her car onto the grass in a drive way she had pulled into many many times.
And, as you said, the wash cloths in the bathroom don't mean that they were used that night. They could have been used earlier in the day as you said.
Why would Sherrill have place her purse in Susie's room, this isn't normal. Even the detectives that investigated the case said the house didn't look normal. They said it looked perfect, too perfect. When a detective says that, there is much more behind what they are saying. They are suspicious that it was either cleaned and/or staged.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

I agree and have thought the exact same thing. Why would she have pulled her car onto the grass in a drive way she had pulled into many many times.
And, as you said, the wash cloths in the bathroom don't mean that they were used that night. They could have been used earlier in the day as you said.
Why would Sherrill have place her purse in Susie's room, this isn't normal. Even the detectives that investigated the case said the house didn't look normal. They said it looked perfect, too perfect. When a detective says that, there is much more behind what they are saying. They are suspicious that it was either cleaned and/or staged.

You are trying to force a theory to fit rather than discussing other possible reasons said things could have happened.

Circumstantial evidence all around this case that makes you go "huh?" But the fact is, the police liked Garrison after all the dust cleared. LE liked Recla, Clay, and Riedel (Disappeared and Crime Watch Daily).

Janelle definitely did some weird things. I won't deny that.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Recla bounced between Lakewood CO, Golden CO, and eventually settled at Aurora CO in 1998.
Source: MyLife and WhitePages

Also, your post proves my point. He did the CS 150 hours and complied with probation. SISs can leave the state. Riedel was sentenced to much more than Recla and was allowed to move back to IL. Case in point.

But I thought you said Casenet can't be trusted to be true information. Can it be trusted selectively then? Casenet says he had a probatioin violation in 1999, in Springfield Mo. if he's living in Colorado? Valid question. And what do you think all of the (5) probation violations were for? Pissing hot on a drug test would be my guess. What else could it have been?