Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #9

[croakin' on chili dogs]

I am willing to consider about any theory of the crime except for ones placing guilt on those at the house the next day.

 

[k-mac]

I think the answers are in the background of one or more of the grave robbers.

Never mind how weird and anti-social their behavior was but you have motive too. At least partially.

For Garrison to be Doug Thomas’s chief informant on the case. Mike hanging with Garrison and Gallopping Gooses. Hello!!!

I do find SOME merit in this .

the answers are there amongst the known players imo

just find it hard to swallow degrees of separation twice removed sort of connections. doesn't make any sense or purpose.

 

[asyousay]

I still think Janelle and Mike were delaying that day for whatever reason.

That explains why they didn’t call Mrs McCall as she would of called the cops a lot sooner if she had known what had been left behind.

Logically speaking Mrs McCall should of been called as soon as Janelle couldn’t find them that morning.

If the house did look staged then only Janelle and Mike could of realistically of staged it and they had so many hours unaccounted for as well.

 

[Blue Girl1991]

I agree with Blue Girl.

The women 100% made it back to Delmar. Suggesting otherwise gets into Boogie Man conspiracy zone.

The fact is, the crime scene could be staged but that doesn’t mean they all didn’t make it. No one stopped them mid transit then called the mom, kill her, clean up mess, then drive back to Delmar and stage things. Logic doesn’t add up.

Too many moving parts for that to work cleanly.

It's looks like the criminals knew exactly how to commit the crime cleanly
and prepared for that day, the opposite from Revenge/passion crime which is very emotional and there is rage involved so the chance to commit a crime like that so cleanly
and smoothly is small, this is one of the reasons I believe it was other motive,
A motive whose goal is to prevent from the women to report information that can hurt some very dangerous people.

 

[k-mac]

I still think Janelle and Mike were delaying that day for whatever reason.

That explains why they didn’t call Mrs McCall as she would of called the cops a lot sooner if she had known what had been left behind.

Logically speaking Mrs McCall should of been called as soon as Janelle couldn’t find them that morning.

If the house did look staged then only Janelle and Mike could of realistically of staged it and they had so many hours unaccounted for as well.

its really unfathomable posters are prepared to dismiss Janelle and mike.

facts known.
- Janelle claims to be last known person to see suzie and stacy.
-Janelle starts calling the girls at 7-30. then changes her story to 8-30.
-Janelle and mike enter the premises without permission.
-Janelle and mike clean up and remove evidence from the property.
- Janelle doesn't report girls missing even though things seem off at the house.
-Janelle doesn't mention on the first day to LE that she took TWO disgusting creepy prank calls at sherills house. added later.
-Janelle and mikes alibis differ

they may be innocent in all this but to dismiss their activity is not helpful.
even all these years later imo it would be helpful for everybody including mike and Janelle to readdress all of this.
and work outward from there.

that's where I think it has all been a muddled mess.
LE didn't start with the inner circle working outward...seems to be the opposite.

then work on the grave robbers conflicting actions and alibis.

is it really that hard?????

 

[chestnut&bypass]

I still think Janelle and Mike were delaying that day for whatever reason.

That explains why they didn’t call Mrs McCall as she would of called the cops a lot sooner if she had known what had been left behind.

Logically speaking Mrs McCall should of been called as soon as Janelle couldn’t find them that morning.

If the house did look staged then only Janelle and Mike could of realistically of staged it and they had so many hours unaccounted for as well.

Delaying....I like this explanation of their behavior. That is definitely accurate!

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

I am willing to consider about any theory of the crime except for ones placing guilt on those at the house the next day.

Agreed. Someone had to discover them. Placing blame on them is silly.

That said, Janelle behaved strangely. But I see an investigator (Doug Thomas) on this case for several years and still comes back to Garrison having primary info. You couple that with the fact that other LE still haven't fully cleared grave robbers and all three skipping town shortly after the crime speaks volumes.

Fact: All three grave robbers were in town. I don't know where Riedel was but Clay and Recla were at a concert and then at home. I do not know if they did this but I always suspected they knew the same info Garrison knew.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

I still believe that the appearance of the clothes and the cars being found the next day shows that stacy and Suzie made back home and the kidnapping happened a short time afterwards , These criminals were very Calculated , it was (sadly) very well planed, like someone ordered a hit, the purses were stage by the criminals.

You are DEAD on!!

 

[Blue Girl1991]

its really unfathomable posters are prepared to dismiss Janelle and mike.

facts known.
- Janelle claims to be last known person to see suzie and stacy.
-Janelle starts calling the girls at 7-30. then changes her story to 8-30.
-Janelle and mike enter the premises without permission.
-Janelle and mike clean up and remove evidence from the property.
- Janelle doesn't report girls missing even though things seem off at the house.
-Janelle doesn't mention on the first day to LE that she took TWO disgusting creepy prank calls at sherills house. added later.
-Janelle and mikes alibis differ

they may be innocent in all this but to dismiss their activity is not helpful.
even all these years later imo it would be helpful for everybody including mike and Janelle to readdress all of this.
and work outward from there.

that's where I think it has all been a muddled mess.
LE didn't start with the inner circle working outward...seems to be the opposite.

then work on the grave robbers conflicting actions and alibis.

is it really that hard?????

The grave robbers were asked by the police if they committed the crime but It's strong possibility that they were not asked about their contacts with other dangerous people, people who might have a part in the disappearance, if they were investigated more firmly maybe it could lead to other criminals and make some steps forward to solve the crime.

 

[asyousay]

Agreed. Someone had to discover them. Placing blame on them is silly.

That said, Janelle behaved strangely. But I see an investigator (Doug Thomas) on this case for several years and still comes back to Garrison having primary info. You couple that with the fact that other LE still haven't fully cleared grave robbers and all three skipping town shortly after the crime speaks volumes.

Fact: All three grave robbers were in town. I don't know where Riedel was but Clay and Recla were at a concert and then at home. I do not know if they did this but I always suspected they knew the same info Garrison knew.

You may claim it’s silly to place blame on them but a lot of posters don’t.

Their actions don’t add up at that day and yes somebody had to find the crime scene that day but highly suspicious Janelle was the last known person to see them and also the first one on the scene. Then she contaminated said crime scene and acted like nothing was amiss when clearly something was obviously amiss with 3 cars and all personal items still inside.

I don’t care if it was 1992 or 2918 their actions defy logic that day.

 

[chestnut&bypass]

The grave robbers were asked by the police if they committed the crime but It's strong possibility that they were not asked about their contacts with other dangerous people, people who might have a part in the disappearance, if they were investigated more firmly maybe it could lead to other criminals and make some steps forward to solve the crime.

Are you suggesting maybe the grave robbers didn't actually know what happened, but could have provided LE with enough info to solve the crime? Never thought of that angle, but that would certainly fit!

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

The grave robbers were asked by the police if they committed the crime but It's strong possibility that they were not asked about their contacts with other dangerous people, people who might have a part in the disappearance, if they were investigated more firmly maybe it could lead to other criminals and make some steps forward to solve the crime.

I agree.

There's something not adding up.

Are they all possibly scared of the real perps? Seems SPD points to retaliation being a big motivator in keeping people silent. Janelle and Mike are NOT keepin anyone silent lol. These are big time players. I don't know if it's GGMC, but I would think it's someone in that range and capacity.

 

[Missouri Mule]

Agreed. Someone had to discover them. Placing blame on them is silly.

That said, Janelle behaved strangely. But I see an investigator (Doug Thomas) on this case for several years and still comes back to Garrison having primary info. You couple that with the fact that other LE still haven't fully cleared grave robbers and all three skipping town shortly after the crime speaks volumes.

Fact: All three grave robbers were in town. I don't know where Riedel was but Clay and Recla were at a concert and then at home. I do not know if they did this but I always suspected they knew the same info Garrison knew.

There are some unknowns about how the vandals were cleared.

If they were polygraphed as I believe 48 hours made clear with an interview of Recla and a subsequent investigation of Reidel after being brought back from Illinois and cleared. I would hope they would have been asked if they had any knowledge. Surely Clay would have been leaned on hard in view of his inflammatory rhetoric.

If any of the three were asked that question I would think the polygraph would show that although we know polygraphs are not infallible.

I suppose they may have information they have not revealed.

What I can say from personal knowledge is that I repeatedly pressed Clay on who or why this happened. He first suggested that a certain person would “do anything” (his words) for someone he befriended. He later backed away from that as time went on and said he thought it was an unknown perpetrator.

 

[Blue Girl1991]

Are you suggesting maybe the grave robbers didn't actually know what happened, but could have provided LE with enough info to solve the crime? Never thought of that angle, but that would certainly fit!

As far as the police are concerned if the Grave robbers are not the criminals then they can go but I think the police didn't continue to investigate them more deeply in order to find other people in the chain.
there is a possibility that the graverobbers had a pretty good idea why it's happened but they weren't ask about it by the police.( I think they didn't commit the crime but they may have very useful information that was not revealed

 

[croakin' on chili dogs]

Agreed. Someone had to discover them. Placing blame on them is silly.

That said, Janelle behaved strangely. But I see an investigator (Doug Thomas) on this case for several years and still comes back to Garrison having primary info. You couple that with the fact that other LE still haven't fully cleared grave robbers and all three skipping town shortly after the crime speaks volumes.

Fact: All three grave robbers were in town. I don't know where Riedel was but Clay and Recla were at a concert and then at home. I do not know if they did this but I always suspected they knew the same info Garrison knew.

Agreed, grave robbers either were the direct cause, or were the cause, of the crime.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Agreed, grave robbers either were the direct cause, or were the cause, of the crime.

As Missouri Mule said, motive is the next question.

I would think them being so caught up in general mischievousness and lack of regard for the law that there's infinite things they were involved with on the peripheral.

I just think for three people to be taken and killed and then no trace, that it was a big player and someone with help.

 

[croakin' on chili dogs]

As Missouri Mule said, motive is the next question.

I would think them being so caught up in general mischievousness and lack of regard for the law that there's infinite things they were involved with on the peripheral.

I just think for three people to be taken and killed and then no trace, that it was a big player and someone with help.

A step above and beyond 3GR.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

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Yeah I think even the ones committing the crime were likely not the masterminds

But what is the motive?

We can't discount that the "Grand Jury Three" included Garrison as well.

 

[croakin' on chili dogs]

Yeah I think even the ones committing the crime were likely not the masterminds

But what is the motive?

Protection? Stop beans being spilled. Suzie knew something about somebody who knew something about somebody a whole lot closer to the top than Suzie.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Protection? Stop beans being spilled. Suzie knew something about somebody who knew something about somebody a whole lot closer to the top than Suzie.

I think this is accurate.

Why did whatever that was happening, the "operation" let's call it....why did it need to end? That's what I am curious about.....

And since the house was the target, was Ms. Levitt involved in some way with these people?