Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #9

[croakin' on chili dogs]

I think this is accurate.

Why did whatever that was happening, the "operation" let's call it....why did it need to end? That's what I am curious about.....

And since the house was the target, was Ms. Levitt involved in some way with these people?

Only as Suzie's mother and confidant. Stacy was the collateral damage, no news there.

 

[bluesneakers]

Protection? Stop beans being spilled. Suzie knew something about somebody who knew something about somebody a whole lot closer to the top than Suzie.

Someone knew something is a popular theory. You'll find many like-minded souls throughout this thread.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

My reasoning comes from the idea that they generally entered and existed through the side door at the carport and rarely used the front door. The glass could have been forgotten in the rush of moving and graduation activities.

Just a polite question, sincerely. Where was it ever stated that they generally entered and exited from the side carport door as opposed to the front door. Sounds like a theory regarding a missing key ,that someone has previously presented over the years several times on other forums, without any supporting evidence. Not bickering nor trying to, but merely pointing out that I've never read this anywhere in the media reports, but rather only on forums as "Speculation" by a known person, who has posted many unsupported claims frequently over the years. I'm just trying to keep the known facts separate from some of the unfounded speculation that has been presented over the years by certain people. And I'm not by any means accusing you of doing this. Just trying to help and keep us from going down that rabbit hole again.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

My reasoning comes from the idea that they generally entered and existed through the side door at the carport and rarely used the front door. The glass could have been forgotten in the rush of moving and graduation activities.

I would also like to point out that they had lived there for a couple months prior to their disappearance. And from what has been reported regarding Sherrill, she was a very orderly person. Also, they had to retrieve their mail from the mailbox located under the light the globe was attached to, for at least three months past the time they moved in. In my opinion there is no way the glass would have just been left there for three months, if it had been broken when they moved in.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Only as Suzie's mother and confidant. Stacy was the collateral damage, no news there.

What's your theory chili dog?

I like what you are saying.....

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Couple of early in the investigation.....news articles....

You know, I agree with you MMM. It's very interesting how defensive Kathy Kirby seems to be about her feeling that Sherrill should have known exactly where Susie was and should have called their house if there was a concern, and that the phone never rang once. Question: Why is she being so defensive. Very suspicious behavior in my opinion. I would think she would have been more consoling as opposed to accusatory, as she seems to be in that article. Add that to her claim to her having heard the girls saying to follow each other to Susie's house, in June, with a house full of company, through her supposed open window, at 2:15am. Sorry, but this seems to add even more suspicion to the veracity of her statements in my opinion.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

We don't even know if what was printed was even truth. It's all what the cops and journalists put down. None of it should be treated as gospel. Even Ms. Kirby's statements.

Why is there so much info on Clay and Dusty but not Riedel?
Why did Garrison ever get brought into this?
Who is keeping this case from being solved..............? Something is in the way and we must find that out

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Okay, I agree, I'm not 100% convinced they ever made it to Sherrill's.

I'm a bit confused though...
"And Mr. Appleby stated he watched them drive away."

Did the Appleby's live next to the Joy's?
I 'assumed' Appleby lived in Spfld. OR was Mr. Appleby at the Joy's residence (as a chaperone?)

No, Shane Appleby lived close to Kickapoo High School.

What is strange, and something I haven't figured out yet is, the address they listed on the original police report for Brian Joy, comes back to an overgrown field if you plug it into Google Maps.

Did Brian Joy live in a trailer that is no longer on that site? Or was there a house there at one time that doesn't exist now? Does anyone have an answer for this mystery?

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

No, Shane Appleby lived close to Kickapoo High School.

What is strange, and something I haven't figured out yet is, the address they listed on the original police report for Brian Joy, comes back to an overgrown field if you plug it into Google Maps.

Did Brian Joy live in a trailer that is no longer on that site? Or was there a house there at one time that doesn't exist now? Does anyone have an answer for this mystery?

You need to prove they were involved before jumping into possible body locations.

You have not proved that.

Talk about rabbit holes and what not.......

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I agree with Blue Girl.

The women 100% made it back to Delmar. Suggesting otherwise gets into Boogie Man conspiracy zone.

The fact is, the crime scene could be staged but that doesn’t mean they all didn’t make it. No one stopped them mid transit then called the mom, kill her, clean up mess, then drive back to Delmar and stage things. Logic doesn’t add up.

Too many moving parts for that to work cleanly.

No one knows if they made it back there or not, except for the girls, and the people responsible for what ever happened to them. Even the police questioned whether or not they actually made it back to the house, and the police even said the house was perfect, too perfect, like it had been staged. So if someone would go to the trouble of staging the house, why wouldn't they also go to the trouble of staging it to appear that the girls made it to the house. To detract from other people who they were with that night, or potentially associated with that night. That's my opinion.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

You need to prove they were involved before jumping into possible body locations.

You have not proved that.

Talk about rabbit holes and what not.......

I wasn't referring to anything related to body locations. I was merely pointing out that the house address for Brian Joy that was listed on the police report comes back to an over grown lot. How did you get anything related to body locations out of what I posted?

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I think the answers are in the background of one or more of the grave robbers.

Never mind how weird and anti-social their behavior was but you have motive too. At least partially.

For Garrison to be Doug Thomas’s chief informant on the case. Mike hanging with Garrison and Gallopping Gooses. Hello!!!

I'm not going to address the last of what you've posted because of obvious reasons. However, I will agree with you on grave robber association and add that there is at least one or more people who are friends with both Brian Joy and two of the Grave Robbers, as is Brian Joy. I have always wondered if Susie was set up that night by someone at the party. The association between BJ and two of the grave robbers has troubled me for a long time.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I have read all of your posts and believe you are spot on without exception.

I don’t like to ask for speculation but I would like to ask you a couple of questions.

As you may or may not know, Garrison phoned me at home from where he is or was housed several months ago. Evidently he wanted to convey that any perceived threats I might have (I didn’t) were unfounded.

I found him to be very cordial and would invite him to visit in my home any time he wished should he regain his freedom. I have thought of penning a letter to him to continue the short discussion.

I asked him two things that I found odd. One was regarding his exit from the hotel and why he left via a window. He corrected me and said he merely walked out of an open door.

The second oddity was that he said he did not know the apparent biker who threatened his defense attorney. He said he did not know the individual. It seems logical that it was to send a “message” of some kind. My recollection is that he agreed with me. In any event after that incident the defense case went south and he received the substantial sentences for the rape conviction. Reading the defense attorney’s response after the trial concluded seemed to be he was glad to be done and over with the case.

As to the crypt vandals, I have had many discussions with Michael Clay but never with Dustin Recla or Joseph Reidel. Some were cordial but most were not. I sensed that they didn’t want to stir the waters at this time.

What I don’t understand is what the actual motive was. And nobody I have discussed this with would offer up an opinion.

So you would have Steven Garrison, the multi-time convicted felon and Rapist, who held his victim at knife point for over three hours while he raped her repeatedly, "In your house, and found him very cordial". Seriously????

 

[croakin' on chili dogs]

What's your theory chili dog?

I like what you are saying.....

In chaos theory, the butterfly effect is the phenomenon whereby a small change in a complex system can have large effects elsewhere.

Suzie's forthcoming testimony might immediately have affected only the graverobbers but its effect might also have reverberated upward, to those seemingly removed from the facts of the case being tried.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I am willing to consider about any theory of the crime except for ones placing guilt on those at the house the next day.

They may not have committed the actual crime, but we can't discount the way they acted the next day, their inconsistent timelines, Mike H's lack of verifiable alibi three months into the investigation, and the ever changing story that JK has told over the years. Their acts are more than suspicious, and police thought so as well, and still do.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

In chaos theory, the butterfly effect is the phenomenon whereby a small change in a complex system can have large effects elsewhere.

Suzie's forthcoming testimony might immediately have affected only the graverobbers but its effect might also have reverberated upward, to those seemingly removed from the facts of the case being tried.

Interesting and very well spoken! Great Post!!!

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I still think Janelle and Mike were delaying that day for whatever reason.

That explains why they didn’t call Mrs McCall as she would of called the cops a lot sooner if she had known what had been left behind.

Logically speaking Mrs McCall should of been called as soon as Janelle couldn’t find them that morning.

If the house did look staged then only Janelle and Mike could of realistically of staged it and they had so many hours unaccounted for as well.

I couldn't agree with you more on this issue! Seemed to be stalling for time as long as they could that day doesn't it.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Agreed. Someone had to discover them. Placing blame on them is silly.

That said, Janelle behaved strangely. But I see an investigator (Doug Thomas) on this case for several years and still comes back to Garrison having primary info. You couple that with the fact that other LE still haven't fully cleared grave robbers and all three skipping town shortly after the crime speaks volumes.

Fact: All three grave robbers were in town. I don't know where Riedel was but Clay and Recla were at a concert and then at home. I do not know if they did this but I always suspected they knew the same info Garrison knew.

Police said Riedel was out of town on the night this crime occurred. And Recla didn't skip town. Only Clay skipped town shortly after the crime occurred. Lets please keep the known facts of this case accurate.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

its really unfathomable posters are prepared to dismiss Janelle and mike.

facts known.
- Janelle claims to be last known person to see suzie and stacy.
-Janelle starts calling the girls at 7-30. then changes her story to 8-30.
-Janelle and mike enter the premises without permission.
-Janelle and mike clean up and remove evidence from the property.
- Janelle doesn't report girls missing even though things seem off at the house.
-Janelle doesn't mention on the first day to LE that she took TWO disgusting creepy prank calls at sherills house. added later.
-Janelle and mikes alibis differ

they may be innocent in all this but to dismiss their activity is not helpful.
even all these years later imo it would be helpful for everybody including mike and Janelle to readdress all of this.
and work outward from there.

that's where I think it has all been a muddled mess.
LE didn't start with the inner circle working outward...seems to be the opposite.

then work on the grave robbers conflicting actions and alibis.

is it really that hard?????

Couldn't agree with you more on what you've posted here! Great Post!!!

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I agree.

There's something not adding up.

Are they all possibly scared of the real perps? Seems SPD points to retaliation being a big motivator in keeping people silent. Janelle and Mike are NOT keepin anyone silent lol. These are big time players. I don't know if it's GGMC, but I would think it's someone in that range and capacity.

Name one news article that ever mentioned the GGMC and this crime. Just one. Please Please Please stop associating the GGMC with this crime. Nothing was ever mentioned in the media about the GGMC, ever. Not by the media, and not by the agencies investigating this crime.