MISTRIAL - Sidney Moorer on trial for the kidnapping of Heather Elvis - June 22, 2016 #2

[jillycat]

She probably was not killed at PTL or at least not in a way that left forensic evidence for them to find. There are hundreds/thousands of places to dispose of a body. Lots of water/swamps included.

Yet he managed to get caught calling her on her cell phone, got caught on video, and here he sits with a kidnapping charge.

Yes, that's always been my point - she was not killed at PTL. I can't imagine anyone thinks the M's didn't kill her.

And because there are lots of disposal places, I can't imagine they randomly chose one in a fluid moment and managed to not have her turn up by now.

 

[nerdgirl]

Next witness the "long" one. Judge is letting everyone stretch for lunch, not leaving the building. Meet back at 1:30. Don't discuss case or deliberate yet.

Wonder if SM will be on FB during lunch...

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[Jersey*Girl]

Im thinking more and more now about these timelines in this part below and thinking that Heather may have been killed much earlier than the landing and maybe SM+TM were working together.

For some of the calls from her phone to SM at his house, that may have been SM using heathers phone at her apartment and calling TM back at the house to get the phone records setup to make it look like HE made the calls.

Its very confusing but one thing we do know is SM was using the pay phone and so that shows he was planning about how the phones would look to investigators.

Im not convinced HE made any of these calls from this point below on. She may have not even driven her car to the landing.

2:42 - 2:56 am - HE's phone was pinged at Longbeard's Restaurant, in the Carolina Forest area (according to GPS records). Four additional calls were placed to the pay phone during this time (not sure if that includes the 9 above)
~2:57 - 3:01 am - HE's phone pinged from Longbeard's Restaurant to Augusta Plantation Drive and back (according to GSP records)
~3:02 - 3:15 am - Fifteen GPS records indicated HE's phone was back in the area of Longbeard's. Two more calls were placed to the pay phone.
~3:16 - 3:19 am - HE's phone went from Longbeard's back to her residence. Two calls were placed to the SM's phone.
3:16am: Heather tried to call SM's cell phone, no answer
3:17am: Heather called SM's cell phone and spoke with someone for 4.15 minutes; (Phone pings place HE’s phone at her house & SM’s phone at his house)
~3:20 - 3:24 am - HE's phone remained at her residence.
~3:21 am – HE drives to Peachtree Landing @ 6699 State Rd S-26-611
~3:25 - 3:35 am - HE's phone moved from her residence on White River Drive to the Peachtree Boat

Ditto

 

[rob]

I think SM was trying to get TM to come pick him up and leave the car at the restaurant and for whatever reason, T didn't want to do that, so SM finally drove the car to the boat landing and TM picked him up there. Dumb azz should have just walked home.
MOO only

 

[stillwatersc]

Heather moved into her apartment after the breakup.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Still think SM was "in love with" Heather, like some misbegotten fairy tale?

No, that was a fantasy, pure & simple. He never 'loved' her. He liked having sex with her and when caught and then facing a possible oops pregnancy he disposed of her.

Wish I could thank this a million times.

I hope any young gals out there besodden with a married man should take note.

 

[Oddsocks]

What time is it there?

 

[TTF14]

Me too. Was it a key issue? Maybe Bri didn't have time to get one made for her before she left for FL? Idk, I can't help but think about how the Defense is so sure of their case. It makes me think they're over xonfident for some reason. When pairing that with the apartment door being unlocked when detectives got there, it makes me wonder if the Defense will suggest a stranger was in her apartment or something. I seem to remember a stalking incident at or near their residence, plus break-ins in that area. It just makes me wonder if Heather had a key to that apartment or not. I mean, surely if there was no sign of breaking or entering then the door was unlocked the whole time, or no? If somebody, a stranger, actually broke into the apartment, or entered it without being invited, then wouldn't they have locked the door upon leaving soas to throw off investigators? Whereas SM may have known if there was a key or not, bc of his intimate relationship with Heather, therefore if there wasn't a key then maybe he'd have left it unlocked bc that's what Heather would have done.

And then what? The stranger killed her and delivered her car to PTL, calling SM all along the way?

 

[nerdgirl]

What time is it there?

12:30 pm

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[TTF14]

I think SM was trying to get TM to come pick him up and leave the car at the restaurant and for whatever reason, T didn't want to do that, so SM finally drove the car to the boat landing and TM picked him up there. Dumb azz should have just walked home.
MOO only

But then he went back to her apartment? And somehow disposed of Heather's body? I think Heather was in control of that car the entire time, up until 3:41.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Do we know who next witness is?

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Probably the headlight expert since they introduced the vehicle before lunch.

 

[jillycat]

Me too. Was it a key issue? Maybe Bri didn't have time to get one made for her before she left for FL? Idk, I can't help but think about how the Defense is so sure of their case. It makes me think they're over xonfident for some reason. When pairing that with the apartment door being unlocked when detectives got there, it makes me wonder if the Defense will suggest a stranger was in her apartment or something. I seem to remember a stalking incident at or near their residence, plus break-ins in that area. It just makes me wonder if Heather had a key to that apartment or not. I mean, surely if there was no sign of breaking or entering then the door was unlocked the whole time, or no? If somebody, a stranger, actually broke into the apartment, or entered it without being invited, then wouldn't they have locked the door upon leaving soas to throw off investigators? Whereas SM may have known if there was a key or not, bc of his intimate relationship with Heather, therefore if there wasn't a key then maybe he'd have left it unlocked bc that's what Heather would have done.

I wondered if she just didn't have a key as well, but with her alleged fear of TM and just practically speaking, I would find that implausible. Always felt that she did more than sit melancholy, posting on Tumblr, then suddenly deciding to meet SM, and arranging that at PTL. So now that we know there was more movement, it will be interesting to see what gaps BW can fill in, and where the state's kidnapping theory leaves off.

 

[rob]

Me too. Was it a key issue? Maybe Bri didn't have time to get one made for her before she left for FL? Idk, I can't help but think about how the Defense is so sure of their case. It makes me think they're over xonfident for some reason. When pairing that with the apartment door being unlocked when detectives got there, it makes me wonder if the Defense will suggest a stranger was in her apartment or something. I seem to remember a stalking incident at or near their residence, plus break-ins in that area. It just makes me wonder if Heather had a key to that apartment or not. I mean, surely if there was no sign of breaking or entering then the door was unlocked the whole time, or no? If somebody, a stranger, actually broke into the apartment, or entered it without being invited, then wouldn't they have locked the door upon leaving soas to throw off investigators? Whereas SM may have known if there was a key or not, bc of his intimate relationship with Heather, therefore if there wasn't a key then maybe he'd have left it unlocked bc that's what Heather would have done.

I think it was a 'I'm carrying a body wrapped up in a rug or something, so I'm not worried about locking a door' kind of thing.
MOO

 

[lstiff]

Wish I could thank this a million times.

I hope any young gals out there besodden with a married man should take note.

This. This a million times. Ladies, be careful when you meet a man (I know they lie without disclosing they are married) and he is "leaving his wife" Be very careful! IMO

 

[yupikgirl]

It seems the defense is just going to elude to several scenarios - like that it may have been the abusive ex- never looked into according to them. Or the date who's cell phone movements were not tracked like hers were. Or whatever else they decide might work LOL. So therefore reasonable doubt. Fortunately it's not reasonable. What's reasonable is they didn't lie. They didn't contact her from payphones and they didn't harass her prior to her going missing.

Every chance the defense gets he tries to imply the police didn't do their job. Even with the cell phone guy he said are you aware the defendant was already in jail and they hadn't even gotten this information from you yet- acting like they just picked this guy to arrest and then got the evidence. I know it's his job. I hope the jury sees the truth.


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[nerdgirl]

Anyone have info about a f150 sync module? Maybe they got location of truck info from it?


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[Madeleine74]

The state very carefully and multiple times asked Heather's date (SS) if he saw or heard anyone or anything upon dropping Heather off at home AND going inside with her for about 5 minutes. They did this purposely, making sure the jury heard it more than once that Heather was alone at 1:15am - 1:30-ish when she was taken home.

The implication is clear: no one was in Heather's apartment that either of them knew about. And we know it wasn't Sid because about 5 minutes later he's seen on video calling Heather from the payphone, where they talked for almost 5 minutes.

You have to keep ALL the facts in mind in this case. No random killer or kidnapper involved. No abusive ex-boyfriend. This was between the M's and Heather.

 

[jillycat]

And then what? The stranger killed her and delivered her car to PTL, calling SM all along the way?

There were no calls all along the way. But that might be as plausible as they pulled into PTL, quick killed her, drove away, and......

 

[bestill]

The mention of a retention pond near Long Beards, I hope that has been thoroughly searched.

 

[lstiff]

So in the very beginning people here thought she was killed at another location and members of the TM clan were in control of her car and phone calling each other. I think if we try to put that in with our new timeline of her tracks that night, it fits. This is JMO but I'm going to look at it closer. I need to visit the exact time SM was seen at WM and then at the payphone compared with her known whereabouts.