MISTRIAL - Sidney Moorer on trial for the kidnapping of Heather Elvis - June 22, 2016 #2

[Dogface]

The young women/girls who most need to know this are not following this case on WS, since the member demographic is about 2 to 3 times that age, on average. I'd hope the women in their 30's and up already understand this.

Fortunately, most married men having affairs just stop at being liars. Most do not graduate to murderers. I went on a couple dates with a man once when I was recently single. He called/texted/sent flowers, was a bit overwhelming and clingy. When my ex informed me he was a married man, I was shocked. I printed off a screen shot of his wife's fb page and at our next date handed it to him. He turned white as a ghost. Never contacted me again. I think that is how most people react when caught. The whole TM social media campaigns and harassment and texts are just beyond my reasonable comprehension.

 

[TTF14]

Who is she saying stole it, LE or an arranged for thief?

L.E. I believe, but don't quote me. It was in one of her ramblings.

 

[Hatfield]

--do we know the date of her trial ?

I read yesterday that her trial date has not been established yet. Just not sure if the article was old or not.

 

[stillwatersc]

Did SM have keys to Long Beard's? Was it a restaurant he did maintenance work at? Could he have asked Heather to meet him there to take the PG test? Maybe he told her he was working that night and to meet him there to take the test and talk.

But then she called the payphone back - so he must have not been there. Maybe the M's didn't go to the restaurant because Heather said she was not going, but then she went anyway thinking SM was working.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

BBM - just curious when you say "I still have to wonder if its possible that Sidney was in the apartment hiding" if you were on the jury do you think you would be wondering that or a whole lot of other things? I ask this because I keep going back to comments by people any where online that kind of have the mindset about what about this or that? So for you or anyone wondering, do you think you could clear the wondering in the jury box and follow the the state & SM's attorney until the end off the trial?

In all honesty and from my perspective only, thus far what the State is setting up looks pretty concrete to me. If I were on the jury I haven't seen or heard anything so far that would lead me to think Heather's disappearance was by the hands of anyone other than the M's. But then again the trial has just begun. I cannot even fathom this being over on Friday, then again they're the experts so they're more fluent in these procedures.

 

[jillycat]

But she was calling the pay phone while at Long Beard's. The M's would not have done that. I hope the State has a scenario that puts it all together.

I've always wondered why she thought he'd be standing at a pay phone. Did he tell her it was some other phone? Did he tell her he'd wait to hear back from her?

We may never really know what they talked about and who knows how much BW really knows. I can see HE not wanting to tell BW that she was going to meet him.

So much of what's missing here is the part of the story that explains all of her driving around, returning to her apt, and deciding to call his cell.

 

[LookingForClues]

Im thinking more and more now about these timelines in this part below and thinking that Heather may have been killed much earlier than the landing and maybe SM+TM were working together.

For some of the calls from her phone to SM at his house, that may have been SM using heathers phone at her apartment and calling TM back at the house to get the phone records setup to make it look like HE made the calls.

Its very confusing but one thing we do know is SM was using the pay phone and so that shows he was planning about how the phones would look to investigators.

Im not convinced HE made any of these calls from this point below on. She may have not even driven her car to the landing.

2:42 - 2:56 am - HE's phone was pinged at Longbeard's Restaurant, in the Carolina Forest area (according to GPS records). Four additional calls were placed to the pay phone during this time (not sure if that includes the 9 above)
~2:57 - 3:01 am - HE's phone pinged from Longbeard's Restaurant to Augusta Plantation Drive and back (according to GSP records)
~3:02 - 3:15 am - Fifteen GPS records indicated HE's phone was back in the area of Longbeard's. Two more calls were placed to the pay phone.
~3:16 - 3:19 am - HE's phone went from Longbeard's back to her residence. Two calls were placed to the SM's phone.
3:16am: Heather tried to call SM's cell phone, no answer
3:17am: Heather called SM's cell phone and spoke with someone for 4.15 minutes; (Phone pings place HE’s phone at her house & SM’s phone at his house)
~3:20 - 3:24 am - HE's phone remained at her residence.
~3:21 am – HE drives to Peachtree Landing @ 6699 State Rd S-26-611
~3:25 - 3:35 am - HE's phone moved from her residence on White River Drive to the Peachtree Boat

I agree. I think she was killed between 2:42 and 2:56 AM (14 minutes) while her phone pinged at the restaurant. SM drove her car to Augusta Plantation Drive and back to the restaurant, probably in a bit of a panic after he killed her or perhaps he was afraid someone driving by had noticed the car at the restaurant. He tried to call TM, who was supposed to be waiting at the payphone, no answer. Then he realized he needed to get something of HE's at her apartment, or needed to find something to help in hiding her body, so he drove her car to the apartment. From there, he used HE's phone and reached TM (who had his phone). He drove to PTL to meet TM, left the car, and got into the truck with TM.

All this said, it's possible it was TM who did the dirty deed. Perhaps she went to the restaurant and surprised HE, who was expecting SM. TM killed HE and it was her using HE's phone to get in touch with SM.

Does any of that make sense? Did I miss some facts that make that impossible?

 

[Dylgem22]

I've always wondered why she thought he'd be standing at a pay phone. Did he tell her it was some other phone? Did he tell her he'd wait to hear back from her?

We may never really know what they talked about and who knows how much BW really knows. I can see HE not wanting to tell BW that she was going to meet him.

So much of what's missing here is the part of the story that explains all of her driving around, returning to her apt, and deciding to call his cell.

I think he may have told her it was a new phone, etc .. didn't she receive a text about "dad not having a phone anymore" .. so she kept calling this number thinking it was a cell phone, not a payphone .. then finally decided to maybe try his old number again, and was able to get in contact with someone on that one .. now who for sure, we don't know .. could have been SM or TM ..

 

[Hatfield]

But she was calling the pay phone while at Long Beard's. The M's would not have done that. I hope the State has a scenario that puts it all together.

It does seem stupid if the Ms called that pay phone using HE phone but lets remember who we are dealing with. SM or TM may have blown his/her part of the plan bigtime and just simply screwed up.

At this point I am not convinced HE used her phone from a certain point onwards unless it is proven some other way like Bri saying she was speaking to her.

 

[stillwatersc]

Im thinking more and more now about these timelines in this part below and thinking that Heather may have been killed much earlier than the landing and maybe SM+TM were working together.

For some of the calls from her phone to SM at his house, that may have been SM using heathers phone at her apartment and calling TM back at the house to get the phone records setup to make it look like HE made the calls.

Its very confusing but one thing we do know is SM was using the pay phone and so that shows he was planning about how the phones would look to investigators.

Im not convinced HE made any of these calls from this point below on. She may have not even driven her car to the landing.

2:42 - 2:56 am - HE's phone was pinged at Longbeard's Restaurant, in the Carolina Forest area (according to GPS records). Four additional calls were placed to the pay phone during this time (not sure if that includes the 9 above)
~2:57 - 3:01 am - HE's phone pinged from Longbeard's Restaurant to Augusta Plantation Drive and back (according to GSP records)
~3:02 - 3:15 am - Fifteen GPS records indicated HE's phone was back in the area of Longbeard's. Two more calls were placed to the pay phone.
~3:16 - 3:19 am - HE's phone went from Longbeard's back to her residence. Two calls were placed to the SM's phone.
3:16am: Heather tried to call SM's cell phone, no answer
3:17am: Heather called SM's cell phone and spoke with someone for 4.15 minutes; (Phone pings place HE’s phone at her house & SM’s phone at his house)
~3:20 - 3:24 am - HE's phone remained at her residence.
~3:21 am – HE drives to Peachtree Landing @ 6699 State Rd S-26-611
~3:25 - 3:35 am - HE's phone moved from her residence on White River Drive to the Peachtree Boat

Bumping. Also how do phone pings place SM's phone at his house when testimony today implied that SM's phone ping dat was not analyzed. Possibly a different analyst was used?

 

[bestill]

All of our questions and the new scenario doesn't fit with the timeline the state initially offered saying that HE was killed at Peachtree Landing, I think this is why the M's have been so arrogant. I am curious to see how they react to today's revelations. Yesterday he had to put his spin on the pregnancy test, what will CBTM do today??

 

[nerdgirl]

http://www.businessinsider.com/ford-exec-gps-2014-1#ixzz2puo4Oq5f

There is a note saying that this statement has been retracted:
"Farley was trying to describe how much data Ford has on its customers, and illustrate the fact that the company uses very little of it in order to avoid raising privacy concerns: "We know everyone who breaks the law, we know when you're doing it. We have GPS in your car, so we know what you're doing. By the way, we don't supply that data to anyone," he told attendees."

 

[Hatfield]

I agree. I think she was killed between 2:42 and 2:56 AM (14 minutes) while her phone pinged at the restaurant. SM drove her car to Augusta Plantation Drive and back to the restaurant, probably in a bit of a panic after he killed her or perhaps he was afraid someone driving by had noticed the car at the restaurant. He tried to call TM, who was supposed to be waiting at the payphone, no answer. Then he realized he needed to get something of HE's at her apartment, or needed to find something to help in hiding her body, so he drove her car to the apartment. From there, he used HE's phone and reached TM (who had his phone). He drove to PTL to meet TM, left the car, and got into the truck with TM.

All this said, it's possible it was TM who did the dirty deed. Perhaps she went to the restaurant and surprised HE, who was expecting SM. TM killed HE and it was her using HE's phone to get in touch with SM.

Does any of that make sense? Did I miss some facts that make that impossible?

Yes it makes sense and that is the gist of one of the options SM+TM had.

Mentioned above that we have to remember who we are dealing with and either SM or TM could have messed up on what phone they were supposed to use to make certain calls.

 

[meinmyrtlebeach]

I agree. I think she was killed between 2:42 and 2:56 AM (14 minutes) while her phone pinged at the restaurant. SM drove her car to Augusta Plantation Drive and back to the restaurant, probably in a bit of a panic after he killed her or perhaps he was afraid someone driving by had noticed the car at the restaurant. He tried to call TM, who was supposed to be waiting at the payphone, no answer. Then he realized he needed to get something of HE's at her apartment, or needed to find something to help in hiding her body, so he drove her car to the apartment. From there, he used HE's phone and reached TM (who had his phone). He drove to PTL to meet TM, left the car, and got into the truck with TM.

All this said, it's possible it was TM who did the dirty deed. Perhaps she went to the restaurant and surprised HE, who was expecting SM. TM killed HE and it was her using HE's phone to get in touch with SM.

Does any of that make sense? Did I miss some facts that make that impossible?

If TM was standing at the payphone waiting for his call, from HE cell phone, two things wouldn't add up. First, she'd have been caught on that same video waiting. Secondly, she would have actually ANSWERED rather than all of those missed calls.

 

[lstiff]

I agree. I think she was killed between 2:42 and 2:56 AM (14 minutes) while her phone pinged at the restaurant. SM drove her car to Augusta Plantation Drive and back to the restaurant, probably in a bit of a panic after he killed her or perhaps he was afraid someone driving by had noticed the car at the restaurant. He tried to call TM, who was supposed to be waiting at the payphone, no answer. Then he realized he needed to get something of HE's at her apartment, or needed to find something to help in hiding her body, so he drove her car to the apartment. From there, he used HE's phone and reached TM (who had his phone). He drove to PTL to meet TM, left the car, and got into the truck with TM.

All this said, it's possible it was TM who did the dirty deed. Perhaps she went to the restaurant and surprised HE, who was expecting SM. TM killed HE and it was her using HE's phone to get in touch with SM.

Does any of that make sense? Did I miss some facts that make that impossible?

This makes me sad/mad that TE (per witness testimony under oath) did not consent to the car being processed fully by being taken away from the residence. I'm not blaming him for anything BUT I really wish he had let them do ALL the investigating and processing they asked to do to her car. They may have been able to find something to prove someone else was in her car that night/morning.

IMO

 

[yupikgirl]

There is so much more to come. Remember the surveillance system that disappeared. How do the supporters explain that- I haven't seen anything. That would have proved they were at home. That's why it's gone.


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[paris_paris]

His findings:

2:42:14 am -2:26 am phone is located at Long Beard's Restaurant (N, NE corner of parking lot by the dumpster) 14 minutes at location- made 4 outgoing calls.
2:43 am Outgoing to (payphone) 7.2 seconds
2:43:36 amOutgoing (to payphone) 7 something
2:45 am (outgoing to payphone) .2 seconds
2:51 am (outgoing to payphone) 4.8 seconds
I'll edit this post as I go along.

Then the phone left restaurant to Augusta Plantation ??? (okay so verified on cross exam, phone in motion, turned around and went back towards restaurant)
2:57-3:01:57 am No call activity during this time, phone only in motion. (This is what I edited)

3:01-3:15 am phone was located at her apartment

I am pages behind but... she drove to the pay phone? She was parked at the pay phone for 14 minutes and tried to call that pay phone 4 times? Then she drove home? That is confusing.
And... they had SM on video calling her from that pay phone. Did the video show he left right after the call? They should have her on video too?

 

[razzledazzle]

This makes me sad/mad that TE (per witness testimony under oath) did not consent to the car being processed fully by being taken away from the residence. I'm not blaming him for anything BUT I really wish he had let them do ALL the investigating and processing they asked to do to her car. They may have been able to find something to prove someone else was in her car that night/morning.

IMO

I agree with this. It has always bothered me - beginning with him driving her car home from PTL. My guess is that at that point in time, maybe he was not able to accept that a crime had occurred. IDK JMO

 

[lstiff]

I am pages behind but... she drove to the pay phone? She was parked at the pay phone for 14 minutes and tried to call that pay phone 4 times? Then she drove home? That is confusing.
And... they had SM on video calling her from that pay phone. Did the video show he left right after the call? They should have her on video too?

No she was calling the payphone.

 

[LookingForClues]

If TM was standing at the payphone waiting for his call, from HE cell phone, two things wouldn't add up. First, she'd have been caught on that same video waiting. Secondly, she would have actually ANSWERED rather than all of those missed calls.

That's true. Do we know whether they have video of TM (or SM) at that phone during this time? Maybe they have that video but haven't introduced it yet? If it's video of TM, maybe they are waiting for her trial to introduce it.