Misty C #6

[azwriter]

I stick with the simplest theory till it is disproven. My thoughts were if Misty harmed Haleigh, she would call her brother before anyone else....this is an opinion and pure speculation. I am going on what I believe her personality to be.

I have not added all the peripherals to the story. I am starting with Misty may be the one that harmed Haleigh. She may not have told anyone, I just think she did. If she did, then that is where Tommy comes in. If she didn't, she could have handled it all by herself, ala, Casey.

I keep going over the "accident" theory but remind myself that people do call 911 when an accident occurs. However, accidents that center around some illegal activities are not reported. They are instead covered up.
It reminds me of the JonBenet case and my questions as to what went on in that house that the parents could not call 911 or show up in an emergency room if there was some odd circumstances surrounding an accident.
I think we should put on our thinking caps and come up with illegal going ons that night that would keep the principals from calling 911 or rushing an injured or dying child to an emergency room for care.
What comes up immediately is the presence of drugs, especially with these people who seems to center around drug use.
Secondly, perhaps there was someone present who should not have been there and the need arose to stage a kidnapping in order not to involve that particular person.
I'm still trying to come up with a third reason. But, maybe I don't need one if the first two are on the money.
As for witnesses who might have been present in the motor home when an accident occured not coming forward, especially with a large reward, I could see those present would not want to be associated with whatever happened that night if it centered around something illegal that would put them in deep trouble too.
Anyone got any other reasons to stage a kidnapping?
JMO

 

[debs]

I think Misty lost her cool with Haleigh. It could have been over a bed-wetting situation or the fact she didn't want to go to sleep. She may have physically harmed her or she may have given her meds to sleep. Either way, RC could be held responsible and he is covering this up to protect himself. This is my opinion till I get more information....subject to change.

If RC loves Haleigh as much as people have claimed, there is no way this theory will work, Whisp. He'd have thrown Misty to the wolves and taken his lumps.

No, I can't help thinking the reason Ronald supported Misty so well is because she knows something about HIM.

 

[azwriter]

Elle,

I don't think Tommy lied to LE about the call, in fact I believe he is the one who tipped them off that she may not have been home. That could go either way for him, it could put the focus on Misty or it incriminates him. He may have been told not to release that info. LE is trying to flush out what happened and where she was that night to narrow down who knew the kids were alone. My problem is this, if it is in fact a kidnapping and she's not home at the time, there is no reason to stage the MH. None. You come in, Haleigh is grabbed and taken out. No need to worry about doors slamming or waking her up. So if Tommy stopped by and knew she wasn't home, he could have just gone in the front door and taken Haleigh. No problem. But if Tommy and Misty started planning to sell her for a drug debt, the plan started at 5pm when he stopped over. Now by snag is why does she point a finger at him later on? Did she do that before rategate or after? Does LE release that info about Tommy checking on the kids before she points a finger at him? I know it was after ratgate, after the fight.... So LE is playing a game of strategy here..... Who is going to rat out who and why. JMO

BBM - pretty good theory but if Junior was there asleep, there would be a concern about making noise. I'm sure a slamming door would wake him. jmo

 

[Whisperer]

Ya know Debs, I think you are on to something. That does make sense. If M called RC at work complaining about Haleigh, he could have driven home and taken care of the situation. If any truth exists from rumors, than he would not have been in a good state of mind at the time.

Either way both of them know what happened..imo.

 

[Whisperer]

Right if rc loved Haleigh as much as himself, he would have creamed Misty if she alone was responsible. The fact he protected and married misty shows us all that he didn't love Haleigh as much as we thought. It appears rc could have been in a very explosive mood that day....er...more than his normal explosive mood.

 

[Skully]

BBM - pretty good theory but if Junior was there asleep, there would be a concern about making noise. I'm sure a slamming door would wake him. jmo

But didn't he say a man dressed in black took my sissy? My point is that if no one was home you don't need to stage a kidnapping if it was a kidnapping. I have been reading about a lot of kidnapping where the kids are taken from the home and they go in, take the kid, and are out. No messing with bricks, and putting laundry in washer and dryers..... This says staged to me. My question is now was it Misty and Tommy staging it so no one would know they sold her, or was it Misty and Ron to cover a accidental OD? There just aren't that many things that could have happened.

 

[Whisperer]

Hi Bern,

IMO no one sold Haleigh...

 

[kamky]

There are some facts that we can use to make one theory less plausible than the other. I think if we could establish the reason why Misty turned her phone off we might have something. The phone was off. Either through text messages or Ronald's testimonies alone we have the last communication between the two of them taking place on or about 8:30 pm. After that Misty turns off her phone. The AC Man was there, Tommy was there with the boys playing and GGS was there to drop off clothes while Haleigh and Jr were eating. I happen to believe that GGS went there as directed by Ronald to check on Misty. In my opinion, Misty wanted to do something that night, whether it was babysit or go someplace else, Misty wanted to go somewhere. I think Ronald sent GGS over to make sure she didn't go, especially since he called while the AC Man was there and he found out Tommy was over with the boys. Misty's evening becomes unaccounted for after dinner and after the time that she turns off her phone at 8:30. Ronald called her 20 times and her phone was off. I just cannot believe that Misty was asleep. If she was asleep she wouldn't have turned the phone off in my opinion. She turned the phone off to avoid Ronald.

Sometime after Ronald was at work, he found out he had to work extra hours, now he really wanted to get a hold of Misty and her phone was off. So, he calls the only place he thought she might be.....her families house. Did Misty put Haleigh and JR to bed and run over to her brothers? Was she there when RC called that night? Did she leave the kids alone and Cousin Joe went in while he knew Misty was out? Who knows.

Tommy lied. He did not tell LE that he went over to Ronald's house on the night his daughter disappeared. Why? There has got to be a reason he didn't want LE to know he went there. Then Misty's phone gets turned back on and the first person she called is her brother. WHY? She got her phone and by her own admission she had already went out to the kitchen and saw the back door open, so she ran to get her phone to call Ronald and that is when she noticed Haleigh was gone.....So why the phone call to her brother? Nope, I don't buy it. She might have turned her phone on when she saw that Haleigh was gone but I don't think she saw the cinder block or the door. Her phone was turned on after 3 am I think closer to 3:15 IIRC, the first person she calls is her brother???? And not even the semi responsible brother either. Misty turned off her phone, and I believe she left the phone right at the trailer all night, because we all know that if that phone pinged even once away from 202 Gr Lane LE would have instant proof Misty was not where she said she was. I think Misty put the kids to bed and then proceeded to get up to no good. That is why the phone was off. Did she leave and come back in the front door to see the back door bricked then run to get her phone and see Haleigh gone? She turns her phone on and calls her brother, "Oh my gosh I just got back and the back door is open and Haleigh is gone. " "What do I do?"
Seriously ask yourself this....if Misty called her brother when she turned the phone on wouldn't he have said "Well what the heck Misty I came over there at around 10 and banged on the door and you weren't home.....where were you?" Nope, the Croslin's are in this up to their eyeballs in my opinion.

You ask some very good questions & use some very good logic, elle!

We have been told a few things by LE. One is that there was an argument between Misty & Ron that night because she wanted to babysit a relative's children & he said no. They haven't said which relative's children. I have always felt that Misty turned off her phone to prevent Ron from getting in the last word and to irritate him. Most importantly, this would also have allowed her to step out without his knowledge. I agree if she went to sleep, she wouldn't have turned the phone off all night.

If Misty had gone over to the Croslin house, I think someone would have revealed this by now...possibly even one of his kids. So I don't think she did.

I agree that there must be a good reason Tommy didn't initially tell LE that he went to the MH. I think either he realized Misty was gone and he took advantage of the situation by entering the MH, either alone or with Cuz Joe. Or, possibly Misty was there but then she and Tommy did something they shouldn't have (e.g., drugs) or they both left the MH. Any of these could be reasons that Misty's first call when she turned her phone back on could have been to Tommy. In any case, I think you are correct when you say that all the Croslins are in deep and I think they all know more than they are letting on.

If the neighbor's report of a woman screaming at 2:30 are true, then either Misty returned to the MH, or Misty woke up at about 2:30, not 3.

One other slim possibility is that Tommy was in cahoots with someone else to gain access to the kids and he supplied the means by letting them know that Misty was not in the MH and that it was unlocked. His motive would have been money or drugs.

In any case, LE would have the best chance of delving into this via intensive analysis of phone records, and they haven't released any info about what they've found.

 

[kamky]

Right if rc loved Haleigh as much as himself, he would have creamed Misty if she alone was responsible. The fact he protected and married misty shows us all that he didn't love Haleigh as much as we thought. It appears rc could have been in a very explosive mood that day....er...more than his normal explosive mood.

This is the Misty thread, isn't it? And not the Ron thread...

 

[elle1919]

What is the motive for cousin JO or tommy to harm Haleigh if Misty is home or not?

Well, what kind of charges have we seen attributed to Tommy lately? Drugs and gun theft to name two.

As far as Cousin Joe goes, I really believe there was a fight over a gun. I don't believe Teresa was lying about the fight. And Misty went into detail about how Ronald directed her while looking for the gun. There's something suspicious about the conflicting stories about the fight. Does anyone remember who it was that said Cousin Joe swore that Ronald would get what he had coming to him? There is something missing in this story, I have no doubt. A scratched van, a fight over a gun, Cousin Joe missing for part of the night and then the discovery that the van had been moved?.....Let's not forget that this same cousin left Satsuma the same day Haleigh went missing add to that Tommy's new admission about going over there and banging on the door, I mean it is all just to much. There is something going on with the Croslins, what exactly it is.....who knows.

 

[elle1919]

I'm curious Elle, where did you read that the first person she called was her brother? And the times? I haven't seen any release of Misty's calls or when her phone was on or off. Just trying to catch up.

Hi Flossie, I actually think I posted this information in RC's thread, I can't remember now, but, this information was discussed on Nancy Grace around the first week in September.

Here it is: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/08/ng.01.html

snip~GRACE: OK. Got it. Do we know about the phone calls made between Misty Croslin and the brother when Haleigh goes missing?

SCHIAVO: We know that phone records show that she called her brother, but the police won`t say what those conversations were about.

GRACE: OK. Marlaina, did she call the brother before the 911 call?

SCHIAVO: Yes, she did.

GRACE: OK. Let`s unleash the lawyers, Gloria Allred, victims` rights advocate out of LA, Raymond Giudice, defense attorney Atlanta, Alex Sanchez, defense attorney New York.

Gloria, she calls him before she calls 911? ~end

 

[elle1919]

Elle,

I don't think Tommy lied to LE about the call, in fact I believe he is the one who tipped them off that she may not have been home. That could go either way for him, it could put the focus on Misty or it incriminates him. He may have been told not to release that info. LE is trying to flush out what happened and where she was that night to narrow down who knew the kids were alone. My problem is this, if it is in fact a kidnapping and she's not home at the time, there is no reason to stage the MH. None. You come in, Haleigh is grabbed and taken out. No need to worry about doors slamming or waking her up. So if Tommy stopped by and knew she wasn't home, he could have just gone in the front door and taken Haleigh. No problem. But if Tommy and Misty started planning to sell her for a drug debt, the plan started at 5pm when he stopped over. Now by snag is why does she point a finger at him later on? Did she do that before rategate or after? Does LE release that info about Tommy checking on the kids before she points a finger at him? I know it was after ratgate, after the fight.... So LE is playing a game of strategy here..... Who is going to rat out who and why. JMO

Howdy Bern, Law Enforcement has stated that the information that came from Tommy about going over and banging on the front door came just recently. I will see if I can find the link but I did link it once.

Got it :http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/...asnt_home_the_night_haleigh_cummings_vanished

snip~“There were numerous attempts to call Misty,” said Maj. Gary Bowling of the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office. “Unsuccessful attempts.”

Bowling said Cummings called Tommy Croslin to say he was not able to contact her.

The couple had recently fought, prompting Misty to have a weekend excursion away from Ronald days before.

In the interview at the Putnam County jail where he is being held on a grand theft charge, Croslin told detectives he went down the street and banged on Cummings’ door about an hour after talking to Cummings, but no one answered.

Bowling said it is the first time anyone has said they went to the mobile home after Cummings’ grandmother Annette Sykes left about 7:30 p.m.

“He told us he banged on the door,” Bowling said. “He said it was dark and no lights were on.”

Detectives were told no one came to the door.

“It is surprising that someone would hold that information,” Bowling said.

 

[Whisperer]

IMO TN was talking about the fight because that is what Misty told her.

I read that some believe JO and Tommy took Haleigh and the motive is drugs or guns...don't know how that fits.

Isn't it possible that Misty harmed or found Haleigh and called her brother.

 

[Whisperer]

Reads to me like people are saying JO or TC committed the crime. I assume they mean kidnapping Haleigh and perhaps murdering her.

They attribute this synopsis to Guns and Drugs....correct? How does RC and Misty fit into this reasoning?

 

[Whisperer]

For those would believe and keep repeating LE statements through the media, the first report stated that Lt Greenwood said RC came home from work about 3:00am and woke up Misty when he didn't see Haleigh.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/c...ng_child_alert

Law enforcement officers with boats and aircraft are searching an area of southern Putnam County for a 5-year-old girl last seen at home about 10 p.m. Monday, authorities said.

A missing and endangered child alert has been issued for Haleigh Cummings, last seen in the Hermit's Cove area of Satsuma when she was in bed. About 3 a.m. the girl's father came home and saw her missing, said Lt. Johnny Greenwood of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office. A woman believed to be the father's wife or girlfriend was also asleep in the residence.

Greenwood said the father noticed Haleigh missing and woke the woman. He said there is no immediate evidence of foul play but that the home off Seven Sisters Road is very near the St. Johns River and that there are canals reaching into the neighborhood.

This is for those who want to believe everything the media puts out there.....which story is it?

 

[pittsburghgirl]

This was a very early story. Did LE issue a written statement or hold a press conference? Did Greenwood speak in a formal setting or at the scene of the search, just giving the gist of the story to the reporter? Did the reporter get it wrong, or did LE just put out a bare bones story in order not to disrupt the investigation? There is no way to answer any of those question. It would seem, from the thrust of the article, that there was initially some concern or hope that Haleigh had wandered off, which is standard for most cases where there is no evidence of abduction or murder.

What is true is that reporting generally gets better as any event moves beyond the initial stage; look at how the death tolls from 9/11 took months to resolve themselves. But we all know that LE withholds facts, plays certain things down and other up in order to manipulate persons of interest, etc. And LE can never tell us what they don't know; if someone disappears and LE says "there is no evidence of foul play," that doesn't mean the person wasn't abducted or murdered. It just means "there is no evidence of foul play." It also doesn't mean that LE isn't examining the whole range of possibilities, from the beginning. Or at least they should be.

 

[txsvicki]

One possible scenario (if Misty did something) is she fights with Ron on the phone and turns it off. If she's angry and raging over the fact Ron wouldn't marry her despite the fake pregnancy story, maybe she lashed out at Haleigh for maybe not going to bed easily. Between 8:30 and 10:00 would be the time something happened to Haleigh. She could have run over and got Tommy to help her, which accounted for his truck and him being there around 10:00. Then, maybe she started freaking out and called him for reassurance before Ron got home. She could have went outside to talk and been screaming at him on the phone for maybe getting cousin Joe and the van involved.

 

[Whisperer]

Sio? It was an early story with references given. If it did not come from Greenwood than the paper is corrupt. It seems that many conflicting facts are coming from this newspaper.

To support their case, people are dropping these media reports as fact. I know I read one poster basis most of their logic on these reports. I was showing you that you cannot depend on these reports. One or both are wrong. The fact that is was early should not make it wrong.

 

[Whisperer]

Yep, TxsViki....all that could have happened.

 

[kamky]

For those would believe and keep repeating LE statements through the media, the first report stated that Lt Greenwood said RC came home from work about 3:00am and woke up Misty when he didn't see Haleigh.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/c...ng_child_alert

Law enforcement officers with boats and aircraft are searching an area of southern Putnam County for a 5-year-old girl last seen at home about 10 p.m. Monday, authorities said.
A missing and endangered child alert has been issued for Haleigh Cummings, last seen in the Hermit's Cove area of Satsuma when she was in bed. About 3 a.m. the girl's father came home and saw her missing, said Lt. Johnny Greenwood of the Putnam County Sheriff's Office. A woman believed to be the father's wife or girlfriend was also asleep in the residence.

Greenwood said the father noticed Haleigh missing and woke the woman. He said there is no immediate evidence of foul play but that the home off Seven Sisters Road is very near the St. Johns River and that there are canals reaching into the neighborhood.

This is for those who want to believe everything the media puts out there.....which story is it?

bbm

This was a very early story, from the first week, since they stated "Monday", instead of a date. The facts were very fuzzy in the media back then. (Doesn't mean the paper is corrupt.)