MN - Alex Pretti dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US media report, January 24, 2026

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IMO Would Mr. Pretti have had continued employment with his current employer if this video was brought to their attention? Employers are permitted to take action on off duty conduct when it calls into question someone’s fitness for duty, particularly in roles involving vulnerable patients. Kicking , spitting at a LE vehicle and engaging in a physical confrontation with agents demonstrates a serious lapse in judgement and impulse control. We would see this again, amped up, a week later. IMO


Also, if we're going to hold reckless behavior under the microscope and argue it's reason for job termination, then every single ICE agent involved in this and other shootings should also be terminated. They, too, are demonstrating serious lapses in judgment and impulse control.

MOO.
 
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We weren't there and what matters is the perception of the Federal agent(s) at the time.
What do you think their perception was?
 
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I found that a very helpful read. I think it explains some of the anxious feelings and distaste some are feeling when seeing these organisations in action and the choices they make.

I also think the article does offer helpful assessment of differences that could be applied to ICE to make it more in line with regular LE so that they'd be more likely to retain the support of more of the public, suffer less antagonism from the public, and be a safer force both for themselves, the public, and those they apprehend. Add in things like triple checking of targets to ensure they really are violent and illegal, and I think the public would be so much more accepting and eventually supportive.

And add in the dropping of their target of 3,000 arrests per day - which equates to an average of 60 arrests per state per day.

I have seen some people have denied there is a quota, but there certainly is a target quota, as stated by Stephen Miller back in May 2025.

A quota like that has led to incorrect arrests, perhaps desperate arrests, and a rapid hiring and 'training' of some very seemingly incompetent people.

imo



The Trump administration has set aggressive new goals in its anti-immigration agenda, demanding that federal agents arrest 3,000 people a day – or more than a million in a year.

The new target, tripling arrest figures from earlier this year, was delivered to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) leaders by Stephen Miller, the White House deputy chief of staff, and Kristi Noem, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) secretary, in a strained meeting last week.

The 21 May meeting in Washington DC is the latest example of the increasing pressure being placed on officials nationwide to increase the number of arrests of immigrants, as the administration doubles down on its anti-immigration agenda.


 
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Do they not use handcuffs as we see LE use in any and all situations they are 'not happy with' the person they are confronting? Not these ICE it turned out. IMO
It's hard to use handcuffs when you're beating someone over the head.
 
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For how long will "Good Samaritans" exist in the US when they see what happens to people who go to the assistance of another person?

The lesson here appears to be that if, in the presence of ICE or Border Patrol, do not go to the assistance of anyone who is pushed or falls to the ground. If you do, you maybe pepper sprayed, pushed to the ground, beaten up, and shot dead. Some might say this is hyperbole. The gun makes a difference? So don't reach to help anyone while you're legally carrying a small holstered gun. And then you'll be safe?

I know some perceive this to be a lesson in not interfering with LE. And I'd agree with them if LE had been trying to apprehend some violent criminal and AP had stepped between. But it was a woman fallen to the snowy, icy, sidewalk that AP went toward, not a criminal trying to evade apprehension by LE. That makes a huge difference in my mind.
That is the intent when ICE does that. They want to instill fear. They want to stop people from attempting to interfere. And they have been given free reign to do so without accountability.
 
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IMO Would Mr. Pretti have had continued employment with his current employer if this video was brought to their attention? Employers are permitted to take action on off duty conduct when it calls into question someone’s fitness for duty, particularly in roles involving vulnerable patients. Kicking , spitting at a LE vehicle and engaging in a physical confrontation with agents demonstrates a serious lapse in judgement and impulse control. We would see this again, amped up, a week later. IMO

Was he doing so in hospital branded attire? Was he identifying himself as being an employee of that hospital? Was he clocked in at work but out on the street protesting?

For God's sake, two Federal agents put 10 bullets in this man when he had not threatened them and had been disarmed, and you're questioning HIS judgement?
 
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IMO Would Mr. Pretti have had continued employment with his current employer if this video was brought to their attention? Employers are permitted to take action on off duty conduct when it calls into question someone’s fitness for duty, particularly in roles involving vulnerable patients. Kicking , spitting at a LE vehicle and engaging in a physical confrontation with agents demonstrates a serious lapse in judgement and impulse control. We would see this again, amped up, a week later. IMO

In what way did he amp up that behaviour a week later would you say?

I don't honestly think he would have treated a patient like that, he was angry at what he thought was injustice and at the behaviour he knew ICE to be capable of. That can bring on anger in people, and I would suggest anger management might have been appropriate.. though it feels insulting to say it.

But if I think he could have used anger management course, I think those officers who tackled him and beat him up need it ten times more...and this is their in-job behaviour, while I fully expect if AP had behaved that way during his job he would not keep that job for long.

As TristanP has said above:
For God's sake, two Federal agents put 10 bullets in this man when he had not threatened them and had been disarmed, and you're questioning HIS judgement?

Yes. Even if we found out he was an escaped-from-prison mass murderer, while that might affect our general like/dislike/empathy for him in general, it shouldn't really change how we view this incident. And that's how I think we need to think every time we see an incident like this.
 
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Unfortunately, while the vast majority are like Alex Pretti, we also live in a world where Lucy Letby exists. Some people get into professions like medicine, teaching, and the clergy for all the wrong reasons. Fortunately, they are the minority.

MOO
Or, for that matter, Michael McKee, who led to one of the longest threads we've got going here (Spencer & Monique Tepe).
 
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The man is dead. Whether or not his employer would have fired him for something he did a week before he was brutally killed is irrelevant, IMO. Also, being terminated is a far cry from being killed. So I don't get your point.

MOO.
It's almost impossible to get fired from the VA, just saying.
 
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IMO Would Mr. Pretti have had continued employment with his current employer if this video was brought to their attention? Employers are permitted to take action on off duty conduct when it calls into question someone’s fitness for duty, particularly in roles involving vulnerable patients. Kicking , spitting at a LE vehicle and engaging in a physical confrontation with agents demonstrates a serious lapse in judgement and impulse control. We would see this again, amped up, a week later. IMO

He was murdered, so we’ll never know.
 
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Moo..BBC had best vid I have seen. Second by second from multiple vids. But I am also seeing AI altered videos. Ai scares me.....moo
AI-altered or fabricated videos have become such a problem on social media that X has just introduced a feature which flags altered content with a warning.
 
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Let that sink in. ICE
FAILED TO COMPLY WITH 96 COURT ORDERS.
NINETY SIX.
😳

I asked myself: was there an order for ICE agents to wear masks?




Not according to this article,

Moreover, President Trump obviously was not happy with ICE agents wearing masks.

“A week ago, after immigration raids sparked sometimes violent protests and the deployment of US troops in Los Angeles, President Donald Trump vowed to ban the use of masks by demonstrators.

“MASKS WILL NOT BE ALLOWED to be worn at protests. What do these people have to hide, and why???” the president posted on Truth Social.”

That after LA ICE deployment. President Trump was not happy with ICE masks.

So was it Bovino or someone else who tacitly approved of masked ICE? Or are the agents not discouraged from using covering the faces?

WA senate voted to ban use of masks by law enforcement agents.


The bill is on the way to the WA House masks,
 
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I'm a strong supporter of amendment 2. The issue here is that this man inserted himself in to a situation where in my opinion the presence of his firearm led to the shooting

Let's make something clear here. Presence of the firearm found by the agents after they pinned Alex to the ground and searched him, led to him being shot after that firearm was taken away?
 
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Unfortunately, while the vast majority are like Alex Pretti, we also live in a world where Lucy Letby exists. Some people get into professions like medicine, teaching, and the clergy for all the wrong reasons. Fortunately, they are the minority.

MOO
Such people occasionally get into nursing, but ICU nurses are super-nurses (unless things are different in the US from UK, which I very much doubt). As soon as I saw that Alex Pretti was an ICU nurse, images came into my mind of many brilliant ICU male nurses who have in recent years helped two of my nearest and dearest in London.

And I admit, the information immediately coloured my view of what happened - not that it needed any more than the videos and witness statements once they came out. He could have been an entirely different sort of person and his death would have been shocking and wrong. But an ICU nurse?
 
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It's my opinion this man chose to be there that day with a confrontational attitude

It is a fact, not an opinion, that Alex Pretti was helping a woman to get up when he hot tackled by the agents. He was not confrontational.

It's a fact, not an opinion that habing confrontational attitude is not a capital offence.

and when he involved himself in the situation the presence of the firearm came to light, the threat to the Federal agents arose, and the rest is history.

The presence of the firearms came to light after Alex got pepper sprayed, pinned to the ground and searched. What kind of a threat to the agents he posed, lying face down on the street?

MOO 🐄
 
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IMO Would Mr. Pretti have had continued employment with his current employer if this video was brought to their attention? Employers are permitted to take action on off duty conduct when it calls into question someone’s fitness for duty, particularly in roles involving vulnerable patients. Kicking , spitting at a LE vehicle and engaging in a physical confrontation with agents demonstrates a serious lapse in judgement and impulse control. We would see this again, amped up, a week later. IMO

Was that video ever confirmed as being a real deal and depicting Alex Pretti? I know there were claims BBC confirmed it's authenticity, but there is no such communicate on the BBC page. I would be careful with that vid, there is a lot of fakes in circulation.
 
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dbm offtopic
 
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In my opinion, yes, the video evidence is factual enough. Again, I do not agree with my friend.
However, there are people who do not believe the video is enough. That's why we are here. To discuss the evidence in a rational and calm way. It's what we do on Websleuths.
Victim blaming on ANY other thread gets posters time outs and deletes
Why is it so blatantly allowed??
 
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PLEASE STOP PERSONALIZING. STOP ACCUSING MEMBERS OF GASLIGHTING OR OF BEING SHAMEFUL. OR TALKING ABOUT THE "DELUSION." JUST STICK TO THE FACTS OF THE CASE AND HAVE A DISCUSSION.
It’s the complete lack of empathy that is difficult and so disturbing
 
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bbm

A newly filed lawsuit accuses federal agents at the Bishop Henry Whipple Federal Building in Minneapolis of denying detainees of their right to contact a lawyer. ...

The lawsuit says that since Jan. 11, detainees have not been provided with "constitutionally adequate or statutorily compliant access to counsel" and detainees are not granted an outgoing phone call. Instead, the lawsuit says that detainees are told they will be allowed an outgoing call after they have been "booked," at which time they have been transferred to a detention facility outside the state....

Attorneys, too, have been threatened or intimidated by federal agents
at Whipple, according to the suit.

The lawsuit echoes one filed last fall by the ACLU of Illinois and the MacArthur Justice Center, which outlined "inhumane" conditions at an ICE processing center in Broadview, Illinois. The people inside the facility, the lawsuit said, could not reach their attorneys.


 

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